It does not. There are no clauses in the Constitution that allows a state to secede. Even if they did, that lack of federal funds and citizen exodus will kill the state.
North Carolina resident here, I'd live in New York if Money wasn't an object, it is... the problem with letting the problem states seceede is that you have trapped those who are physically locked in place by their finances (or lack thereof) into an even shittier situation.
Isn't that part of the objective for those problem states though? "All the productive smart people are leaving - lets succede so they're kinda stuck here."
Let's do the latter part of your statement. I'm ok with that outcome.
It would be wild. The Texas government can't even maintain a power grid. How the hell do they think they would do without help from the federal government and with a brain drain!
We should let them. Then, in a year, when they declare bankruptcy and everyone is freezing because there's no power, we'll just buy them. We can let Puerto Rico be the 50th state, and Texas can become that weird thing where they're part of the country, but have no voting rights.
Damn, I like this idea!
I was thinking something similar. They'd go bust in a heartbeat, and perhaps at that point it would be cheaper to just invade and make them a tributary state.
Sometime in the future:
Company Exec: We need more engineers to run our infrastructure, but 90% of the qualified people have TURNED TRAITOR and ran to the states.
Politician: it's fine, we control the regulations now so we'll just pass a bunch of engineers through school and it'll be taken care of sits back in solid gold chair puffing on Cuban cigar
CE: perfect! Genius! Problem solved forever! Didn't need a DemonRat for THAT!
6 months later
CE, looking haggard and with singed hair: well this has been a disaster. The engineers were just pushed through and graduated without learning anything! Nobody knows how to do the jobs we need done! My house caught fire because a power surge overloaded my entire block! Half the state is dark!
P, from behind a platinum, diamond-encrusted desk, in a gold-trimmed silk suit: well I haven't seen any evidence of this, my house is perfectly fine! The spotlights and private security do a great job of keeping the looters out. But that has nothing to do with this. Get back to work.
I think that last line would rather read: "That sounds like communism. You are not communist, are you? Now get the problem with that one nuclear plant fixed, or you might find yourself and your family sent to Guantalag labor camp, tovarisch."
A state can not secede, but it can be expelled.
Don't give them any ideas
What if we just give it back to Mexico? Would they even accept it? 🤷🏼♂️
Even if they did, that lack of federal funds and citizen exodus will kill the state.
And where would be the bad in that?
I'd feel bad for the many people that will be economically trapped there. I can imagine even in that scenario that people will stay put simply because they can't afford to up and move to a different state. The alternative would be to live in their car with their whole family in a neighbouring state, I assume.
Imagine the housing crisis when 50% of texans try to find a home in nearby states. And I'm being very conservative with that percentage, as I can't imagine half of the population of texas would even support secession and would want to stay in their doomed state.
And we shouldn't wage war on a country trying to invade us either, right, because some of the people in that country might not be agreeing with it. Fuck that, we're way past that point. They want to act like a state then they should be treated like a state, not being able to flip between being a state and down to single individuals who disagree with it whenever expedient. It sounds a bit like corporations privatizing profits while socializing losses. When they want to secede they are a state, but when dealing with the consequences they're all just poor individuals who happened to get caught in something they didn't want part of? Fuck off.
Well, nearly all those people had and have to power to vote. They got the government they deserved. Are they "economically trapped" to vote Republican?
I think generalising across the whole group like that is what got us into this mess.
Just look at the voter turnout in Texas and then still tell me there is no way to change the situation.
Bro and/or sis, do you know what a fucking Gerrymander is?
Yes, I know, and this has been done by people who got voted into power in the past. Texas has a history of f-ed up governments.
BUT: There are millions in Texas who don't care enough for their future to go to the polls, or even f-ing register to vote. Yes, it is more difficult than in civilized countries, but millions in Texas simply ignore the only way they have to change the situation. See here.
How do you feel about your GOP-majority House of Representatives? I guess you just didn't vote hard enough.
Luckily my country is not led by fundamentalist neo-fashists like the US. I wish your president all the best for the next election. Trump in the white house would be a catastrope for the whole world.
Careful around that edge. Back to class with you, son.
It does not. There are no clauses in the Constitution that allows a state to secede. Even if they did, that lack of federal funds and citizen exodus will kill the state.
North Carolina resident here, I'd live in New York if Money wasn't an object, it is... the problem with letting the problem states seceede is that you have trapped those who are physically locked in place by their finances (or lack thereof) into an even shittier situation.
Isn't that part of the objective for those problem states though? "All the productive smart people are leaving - lets succede so they're kinda stuck here."
Let's do the latter part of your statement. I'm ok with that outcome.
It would be wild. The Texas government can't even maintain a power grid. How the hell do they think they would do without help from the federal government and with a brain drain!
We should let them. Then, in a year, when they declare bankruptcy and everyone is freezing because there's no power, we'll just buy them. We can let Puerto Rico be the 50th state, and Texas can become that weird thing where they're part of the country, but have no voting rights.
Damn, I like this idea!
I was thinking something similar. They'd go bust in a heartbeat, and perhaps at that point it would be cheaper to just invade and make them a tributary state.
Sometime in the future:
Company Exec: We need more engineers to run our infrastructure, but 90% of the qualified people have TURNED TRAITOR and ran to the states.
Politician: it's fine, we control the regulations now so we'll just pass a bunch of engineers through school and it'll be taken care of sits back in solid gold chair puffing on Cuban cigar
CE: perfect! Genius! Problem solved forever! Didn't need a DemonRat for THAT!
6 months later
CE, looking haggard and with singed hair: well this has been a disaster. The engineers were just pushed through and graduated without learning anything! Nobody knows how to do the jobs we need done! My house caught fire because a power surge overloaded my entire block! Half the state is dark!
P, from behind a platinum, diamond-encrusted desk, in a gold-trimmed silk suit: well I haven't seen any evidence of this, my house is perfectly fine! The spotlights and private security do a great job of keeping the looters out. But that has nothing to do with this. Get back to work.
I think that last line would rather read: "That sounds like communism. You are not communist, are you? Now get the problem with that one nuclear plant fixed, or you might find yourself and your family sent to Guantalag labor camp, tovarisch."
A state can not secede, but it can be expelled.
Don't give them any ideas
What if we just give it back to Mexico? Would they even accept it? 🤷🏼♂️
And where would be the bad in that?
I'd feel bad for the many people that will be economically trapped there. I can imagine even in that scenario that people will stay put simply because they can't afford to up and move to a different state. The alternative would be to live in their car with their whole family in a neighbouring state, I assume.
Imagine the housing crisis when 50% of texans try to find a home in nearby states. And I'm being very conservative with that percentage, as I can't imagine half of the population of texas would even support secession and would want to stay in their doomed state.
And we shouldn't wage war on a country trying to invade us either, right, because some of the people in that country might not be agreeing with it. Fuck that, we're way past that point. They want to act like a state then they should be treated like a state, not being able to flip between being a state and down to single individuals who disagree with it whenever expedient. It sounds a bit like corporations privatizing profits while socializing losses. When they want to secede they are a state, but when dealing with the consequences they're all just poor individuals who happened to get caught in something they didn't want part of? Fuck off.
Well, nearly all those people had and have to power to vote. They got the government they deserved. Are they "economically trapped" to vote Republican?
I think generalising across the whole group like that is what got us into this mess.
Just look at the voter turnout in Texas and then still tell me there is no way to change the situation.
Bro and/or sis, do you know what a fucking Gerrymander is?
Yes, I know, and this has been done by people who got voted into power in the past. Texas has a history of f-ed up governments.
BUT: There are millions in Texas who don't care enough for their future to go to the polls, or even f-ing register to vote. Yes, it is more difficult than in civilized countries, but millions in Texas simply ignore the only way they have to change the situation. See here.
How do you feel about your GOP-majority House of Representatives? I guess you just didn't vote hard enough.
Luckily my country is not led by fundamentalist neo-fashists like the US. I wish your president all the best for the next election. Trump in the white house would be a catastrope for the whole world.
Careful around that edge. Back to class with you, son.