She's got my vote when Biden didn't. Everyone who said "nO oNE ElSe iS poLlInG bETter tHaN BiDEN" was ignoring the fact that Biden had the left's entire media hype machine backing him up and still barely eeked out a few points above Trump.
We were not ignoring that. Everyone I've seen admitting they were wrong, including myself, said they felt no one else would be able to unite the party quickly enough to avoid a chaotic shit show. I still have no idea how Harris pulled it off, but it's awesome to behold.
If this energy and momentum can last until the election I'm certain she can win.
I still have no idea how Harris pulled it off
Turns out, people respond well when their concerns are addressed.
I’ve not really liked Harris since before 2020, but I’ll gladly vote for her if it means keeping Trump away from the Whitehouse for at least another 4 years. I didn’t think she had a chance in hell, but the trend line so far seems good for her.
I hope the wave continues! If Biden had bailed earlier i think it would have been harder to sustain. 3 months is still a long time. Would be great if we could hold the election in 2 weeks.
She's still a little too unknown among people who aren't terminally-online. She needs time to break through to people that don't consume daily news and aren't on the internet a whole lot, which is a whole lot of people.
She also needs to make sure her message gets out to them before Trump's framing of her gets to them, since early impressions matter. That last part is our job more than hers though, and fortunately we got a head start of a couple days or so when the Trump campaign was scrambled for a short period there. They're since fixed it and are back on point though. In this case the horse race has become quite literal.
"We're not going back." It's a good line. I thought Biden was alright, all things considered, but he could've never landed that message.
The whole thing feels like actual high risk/high reward 5d chess.
I still have no idea how Harris pulled it off, but it’s awesome to behold.
She's not 80+ (with bonus points being under 70) and she not Trump.
Those are the only things most people were wanting out of a candidate at this point. That's how Biden got elected last time and he only barely managed the under-80 requirement.
I still have no idea how Harris pulled it off, but it’s awesome to behold.
Other than that, Harris's name has been plastered on every accomplishment of the current administration in a way that I've not really seen before. It was always the Biden-Harris Administration on the headlines, she had plenty of name recognition already
Oh I agree it had to be Harris. But she wasn't polling well and no one talking about replacing Biden talked about her. I just underestimated everyone.
The only thing keeping people from voting against Trump was the other option was a corpse. People checked out because it was a joke. Apatgetic voters dont answer polls, and a lot of people weren't going to vote that now will. The idea that the party listened to its constituents goes a long way. Even if Kamala isn't ideal (she isn't) she is a step in the right direction.... NOT a corpse. She is hope that maybe the country isn't doomed and she staves off the apathy most of us were feeling. Especially when the argument was "if you don't go vote for the corpse, the incoming facism is your fault!". Now, they did the bare minimum, so do I, I need to vote.
Biden had my vote but so does she.
Moderate Dems really want to take all the responsibility off of nominees and put it all on voters.
Because of that, they couldn't acknowledge a campaign would help, but they also have to justify the billions from corporate donors.
There's no logic to them, the far right wings of both parties just say anything in the moment that gets them what they want.
Democrats netted a vote. Look at who that pisses off.
Welcome aboard!
I'm sorry that other people are pissed at you. It's absurd. I'm genuinely happy to see another person joining the team, so thank you for that!
I don't agree with you not voting for Biden beforehand, but that's water under the bridge and irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. It's time to unify under what we have in common instead. I'm glad you're here.
This comment is a great example of the left going out of its way to piss off the left.
This comment is a great example of a troll being a troll
Edit: the point here was obviously that there was no reason to deride people with the same goal as yourself, especially considering Biden was the only safe choice until the moment he stepped down. Unless you called it that Harris could be this successful, you weren't correct about anything enough to gloat and shame but even if you did call it, acting like this now just makes you pointlessly rude and divisive
I know she's not your first choice, but Netanyahu can't run.
Ah look another liar. Linkerbaan's turn to sleep eh?
Lay off them. I've interacted with them enough to know they're genuine and not an absurdist. They were always intending to vote for Biden, they just had their criticisms -- and as we see now, those criticisms proved to be quite good for us as a whole.
Hey you disagree with me. That means you support genocide! /s
I find that logic just as absurd as you do, and I think people who branded Biden voters as genocide lovers were utter idiots. Do I like how things are going in Gaza? No. But did I still support Biden? Completely. That was the only candidate who would prevent things from getting worse and save some lives vs if Trump is elected instead.
I hope this establishes that I'm in agreement with you on a lot of our mindset. What I'm saying here is that Ensign Crab is not one of those people who says this either. You're projecting Linker onto them. Ensign is critical of Democrats, but they were never as insane as Linker or "oh you must love children dying since you support Biden". They've been very up front that they were going to vote Dem.
There's no need to fight with them. We're on the same team. You're both decent people. Let's celebrate another voter coming to Harris, and move on.
I wish I could agree with you but right here is what prompted the argument: "I know she's not your first choice, but Netanyahu can't run."
To me that's just a little more obtuse way of saying the same.
Remember to vote blue no matter who. I'm glad Biden stepped down and we have a candidate who can win now.
I very much doubt you are.
This is exactly what all of us should be thinking. Regardless of what you thought of Biden's earlier prospects, it's clear that Harris is far stronger. We needed to vote Democrat to stop fascism. Having a stronger candidate now is fantastic.
You noted something interesting and concerning earlier -- Harris has at least one vote now that she didn't before, but the reception to that has been icy. People should be happy about this, not pissed. I don't agree with them not voting for Biden, but I'm thrilled they want to vote for Harris and join the coalition.
A lot of these people here remind me of performative leftists, but this time, as moderates. They should be happy that Democrats have another vote. Instead they're annoyed and bringing up grievances. It's performative, because they'd clearly rather get one up over Biden detractors than actually get more votes and see their supposed ideals achieved.
Anyway. I also wanted to say that I appreciate you. You've always been very clear that while you had misgivings with Biden, you were still going to vote for him because the stakes are high. I'm sorry you're getting dragged by idiots, and I hope you don't let it bother you. It's clear to me that you want Democrats to win so fascism doesn't take over, and so that we can actually pass some left wing policies. Thank you for that.
People who judge based on a single comment (and are radically wrong AF) aren't helpful to anyone who cares an ounce
Sorry. I shouldn't have judged you based on a single comment.
(We both know I wasn't, and was instead judging you based on your long history of vicious hostility towards anyone who wasn't 100% on board with Biden's genocide support, but sure. I'll entertain your bad faith bullshit yet again. Let's pretend I was judging you based on a single comment).
I should have asked instead of assuming. How happy are you that the octogenarian genocide supporter dropped out of the race in favor of a candidate who can actually win?
anyone who wasn't 100% on board with Biden's genocide support
Ah yes, a completely reasonable and good-faith attempt at discourse and in no way a bullshit attempt at smearing anyone who doesn't use the exact same rhetoric as yourself
It's not a smear. I'm accurately describing your attitude to people who oppose genocide.
Harris picked up a voter, so you're mad.
Wtf are you even talking about exactly? I'm glad she is the nominee, it improves our chances, and never once said anything slightly against Harris. The people with the most severe confirmation bias also tend to be extremists who label anyone not with their identical same opinion as a sociopath
I’m glad she is the nominee, it improves our chances, and never once said anything slightly against Harris.
So why are you so mad at someone who said they were going to vote for her?
I criticized the prick for being a prick and that was very obvious. Both that their intention was that and that I wished to point it out. Now tell me again about my love for genocide. Would you rate it as an eleven on a scale of one to ten, or a twelve?
Now tell me again about my love for genocide. Would you rate it as an eleven on a scale of one to ten, or a twelve?
So much that you were willing to support it even if it meant losing to Trump.
God DAMN, just look the fuck around you. Biden is out. Harris is surging in the polls. Democrats are excited to vote instead of resentful and apathetic. And you're calling them pricks because they like Harris more than Bidenyahu.
Lemme guess what the ridiculous implication was here.. that I adore the fuck out of genocide, right? That I bathe in the blood of brown children? Or would you have worded it more hyperbolically?
That I bathe in the blood of brown children?
Ew. Keep your fantasies to yourself.
So you deny you're making a bizarre false accusation about me liking genocide then? Wait actually you just kinda admitted to that beyond-bullshit attack. Whoops
Harris picked up a vote that Biden wouldn't have got. You should examine why that bothers you so much.
You should examine why you want everyone who disagrees with you in any way to be bloodthirsty monster who loves genocide. You seem to forget that shit discredits you to most anyone who doesn't think identically to yourself
You should examine why you want everyone who disagrees with you in any way to be bloodthirsty monster who loves genocide.
How much does it piss you off that you can no longer call me a trumper for saying that genocide is wrong?
Maybe you could explain why your first reaction is always to accuse everyone of loving genocide? Maybe there's a non-terrible reason that you and a few others here can't say that line enough? Because the one explanation I have that makes sense is that you are engaged in a campaign designed to sway voters toward apathy. If it's not that, you're failing at whatever other goal you might have.
Maybe you could explain why your first reaction is always to accuse everyone of loving genocide? Maybe there’s a non-terrible reason that you and a few others here can’t say that line enough?
I hope one day you will understand that people can oppose genocide because it's genocide.
You wanted to stick with a genocide supporter who was losing to Trump. I'm glad the party treated your position with the disrespect it deserves.
She's got my vote when Biden didn't. Everyone who said "nO oNE ElSe iS poLlInG bETter tHaN BiDEN" was ignoring the fact that Biden had the left's entire media hype machine backing him up and still barely eeked out a few points above Trump.
We were not ignoring that. Everyone I've seen admitting they were wrong, including myself, said they felt no one else would be able to unite the party quickly enough to avoid a chaotic shit show. I still have no idea how Harris pulled it off, but it's awesome to behold.
If this energy and momentum can last until the election I'm certain she can win.
Turns out, people respond well when their concerns are addressed.
I’ve not really liked Harris since before 2020, but I’ll gladly vote for her if it means keeping Trump away from the Whitehouse for at least another 4 years. I didn’t think she had a chance in hell, but the trend line so far seems good for her.
I hope the wave continues! If Biden had bailed earlier i think it would have been harder to sustain. 3 months is still a long time. Would be great if we could hold the election in 2 weeks.
She's still a little too unknown among people who aren't terminally-online. She needs time to break through to people that don't consume daily news and aren't on the internet a whole lot, which is a whole lot of people.
She also needs to make sure her message gets out to them before Trump's framing of her gets to them, since early impressions matter. That last part is our job more than hers though, and fortunately we got a head start of a couple days or so when the Trump campaign was scrambled for a short period there. They're since fixed it and are back on point though. In this case the horse race has become quite literal.
"We're not going back." It's a good line. I thought Biden was alright, all things considered, but he could've never landed that message.
The whole thing feels like actual high risk/high reward 5d chess.
She's not 80+ (with bonus points being under 70) and she not Trump.
Those are the only things most people were wanting out of a candidate at this point. That's how Biden got elected last time and he only barely managed the under-80 requirement.
"Neither" was the top-polling candidate for 2024 when it was between Trump or Biden.. Of Dems and left-leaning voters, Biden's age factored heavily into that sentiment. Call it superficial but that was his "thing" since he took office. Harris solves both of those hang-ups.
Other than that, Harris's name has been plastered on every accomplishment of the current administration in a way that I've not really seen before. It was always the Biden-Harris Administration on the headlines, she had plenty of name recognition already
Oh I agree it had to be Harris. But she wasn't polling well and no one talking about replacing Biden talked about her. I just underestimated everyone.
The only thing keeping people from voting against Trump was the other option was a corpse. People checked out because it was a joke. Apatgetic voters dont answer polls, and a lot of people weren't going to vote that now will. The idea that the party listened to its constituents goes a long way. Even if Kamala isn't ideal (she isn't) she is a step in the right direction.... NOT a corpse. She is hope that maybe the country isn't doomed and she staves off the apathy most of us were feeling. Especially when the argument was "if you don't go vote for the corpse, the incoming facism is your fault!". Now, they did the bare minimum, so do I, I need to vote.
Biden had my vote but so does she.
Moderate Dems really want to take all the responsibility off of nominees and put it all on voters.
Because of that, they couldn't acknowledge a campaign would help, but they also have to justify the billions from corporate donors.
There's no logic to them, the far right wings of both parties just say anything in the moment that gets them what they want.
Democrats netted a vote. Look at who that pisses off.
Welcome aboard!
I'm sorry that other people are pissed at you. It's absurd. I'm genuinely happy to see another person joining the team, so thank you for that!
I don't agree with you not voting for Biden beforehand, but that's water under the bridge and irrelevant as far as I'm concerned. It's time to unify under what we have in common instead. I'm glad you're here.
This comment is a great example of the left going out of its way to piss off the left.This comment is a great example of a troll being a troll
Edit: the point here was obviously that there was no reason to deride people with the same goal as yourself, especially considering Biden was the only safe choice until the moment he stepped down. Unless you called it that Harris could be this successful, you weren't correct about anything enough to gloat and shame but even if you did call it, acting like this now just makes you pointlessly rude and divisive
I know she's not your first choice, but Netanyahu can't run.
Ah look another liar. Linkerbaan's turn to sleep eh?
Lay off them. I've interacted with them enough to know they're genuine and not an absurdist. They were always intending to vote for Biden, they just had their criticisms -- and as we see now, those criticisms proved to be quite good for us as a whole.
Hey you disagree with me. That means you support genocide! /s
I find that logic just as absurd as you do, and I think people who branded Biden voters as genocide lovers were utter idiots. Do I like how things are going in Gaza? No. But did I still support Biden? Completely. That was the only candidate who would prevent things from getting worse and save some lives vs if Trump is elected instead.
I hope this establishes that I'm in agreement with you on a lot of our mindset. What I'm saying here is that Ensign Crab is not one of those people who says this either. You're projecting Linker onto them. Ensign is critical of Democrats, but they were never as insane as Linker or "oh you must love children dying since you support Biden". They've been very up front that they were going to vote Dem.
There's no need to fight with them. We're on the same team. You're both decent people. Let's celebrate another voter coming to Harris, and move on.
I wish I could agree with you but right here is what prompted the argument: "I know she's not your first choice, but Netanyahu can't run."
To me that's just a little more obtuse way of saying the same.
Remember to vote blue no matter who. I'm glad Biden stepped down and we have a candidate who can win now.
I very much doubt you are.
This is exactly what all of us should be thinking. Regardless of what you thought of Biden's earlier prospects, it's clear that Harris is far stronger. We needed to vote Democrat to stop fascism. Having a stronger candidate now is fantastic.
You noted something interesting and concerning earlier -- Harris has at least one vote now that she didn't before, but the reception to that has been icy. People should be happy about this, not pissed. I don't agree with them not voting for Biden, but I'm thrilled they want to vote for Harris and join the coalition.
A lot of these people here remind me of performative leftists, but this time, as moderates. They should be happy that Democrats have another vote. Instead they're annoyed and bringing up grievances. It's performative, because they'd clearly rather get one up over Biden detractors than actually get more votes and see their supposed ideals achieved.
Anyway. I also wanted to say that I appreciate you. You've always been very clear that while you had misgivings with Biden, you were still going to vote for him because the stakes are high. I'm sorry you're getting dragged by idiots, and I hope you don't let it bother you. It's clear to me that you want Democrats to win so fascism doesn't take over, and so that we can actually pass some left wing policies. Thank you for that.
People who judge based on a single comment (and are radically wrong AF) aren't helpful to anyone who cares an ounce
Sorry. I shouldn't have judged you based on a single comment.
(We both know I wasn't, and was instead judging you based on your long history of vicious hostility towards anyone who wasn't 100% on board with Biden's genocide support, but sure. I'll entertain your bad faith bullshit yet again. Let's pretend I was judging you based on a single comment).
I should have asked instead of assuming. How happy are you that the octogenarian genocide supporter dropped out of the race in favor of a candidate who can actually win?
Ah yes, a completely reasonable and good-faith attempt at discourse and in no way a bullshit attempt at smearing anyone who doesn't use the exact same rhetoric as yourself
It's not a smear. I'm accurately describing your attitude to people who oppose genocide.
Harris picked up a voter, so you're mad.
Wtf are you even talking about exactly? I'm glad she is the nominee, it improves our chances, and never once said anything slightly against Harris. The people with the most severe confirmation bias also tend to be extremists who label anyone not with their identical same opinion as a sociopath
So why are you so mad at someone who said they were going to vote for her?
I criticized the prick for being a prick and that was very obvious. Both that their intention was that and that I wished to point it out. Now tell me again about my love for genocide. Would you rate it as an eleven on a scale of one to ten, or a twelve?
So much that you were willing to support it even if it meant losing to Trump.
God DAMN, just look the fuck around you. Biden is out. Harris is surging in the polls. Democrats are excited to vote instead of resentful and apathetic. And you're calling them pricks because they like Harris more than Bidenyahu.
Lemme guess what the ridiculous implication was here.. that I adore the fuck out of genocide, right? That I bathe in the blood of brown children? Or would you have worded it more hyperbolically?
Ew. Keep your fantasies to yourself.
So you deny you're making a bizarre false accusation about me liking genocide then? Wait actually you just kinda admitted to that beyond-bullshit attack. Whoops
Harris picked up a vote that Biden wouldn't have got. You should examine why that bothers you so much.
You should examine why you want everyone who disagrees with you in any way to be bloodthirsty monster who loves genocide. You seem to forget that shit discredits you to most anyone who doesn't think identically to yourself
How much does it piss you off that you can no longer call me a trumper for saying that genocide is wrong?
Maybe you could explain why your first reaction is always to accuse everyone of loving genocide? Maybe there's a non-terrible reason that you and a few others here can't say that line enough? Because the one explanation I have that makes sense is that you are engaged in a campaign designed to sway voters toward apathy. If it's not that, you're failing at whatever other goal you might have.
I hope one day you will understand that people can oppose genocide because it's genocide.
You wanted to stick with a genocide supporter who was losing to Trump. I'm glad the party treated your position with the disrespect it deserves.
I do not identify with the American left.
Yikes