I've had this conversation with the lady at the really good deli down the road from me! When I occasionally have a rare chance to go in there she says "we never see you anymore!" And I have to always remind her they only serve lunch from 11am to 3pm, my work starts at 11 and my lunch break is at 330 lol
This. If you work during the day anywhere around my town you have a good 30 minutes to do shopping before all the stores close at 4:30.
Never understood those hours, they lock out more than half of their potential customers
They want time to do stuff to.
That's when they should introduce a second shift instead of just having one shift and one set of staff.
Ah, but you see, they would have to pay them
Then you have to pay for double the employee hours. And you may not necessarily make double the profit in doing so.
With self checkout and shelves that detect when stock is empty, how much people could they really need.
I have often wondered about the self checkout clerk/guard who's only job it is to do random control checks in case someone tries to steal.
I sort of cant imagine that they would lose more then a full employee wage on theft without that person there. Especially since pretty much every supermarket having insurance against common theft.
Its called “commercial property insurance” and covers both customer and employee theft.
There exist even a version where lost profits on stolen goods are additionally insured but at least that one is rare to see in this context.
Where I live, there are now supermarkets without employees. You scan your card to open the door, shop, and do self-checkout. I assume if you just leave, they'll deduct the value of the items you took from your account.
They don't offer alcohol, though. Cause there's no way to check if you're of drinking age.
Oh, none of this matters soon anyways. We're all being replaced with AI and robots. None of us are going to have jobs, or money, or ability to pay for rent. Better buy a really really nice tent soon. That's going to be your home!
Username checks out I guess?
You could also take a shift off, just like they would need to to go to your place of work, since they likely have the same hours.
So they need to go out of their way, but not you? The double standards of entitled people are hilarious.
Not to mention business hour limitations from bylaws, not always profitable to be open… lots of factors people ignore, but let’s talk about them now shall we?
What crawled up your ass?
People who expect others to move mountains, but won’t move pebbles themselves.
What’s wrong with their hours, but your identical ones are fine?
We can't control our work hours for the most part, a business owner can.
And then you wonder why people shop at Big Box stores and Amazon. It's not JUST their anticompetitive practices
A business owner has rules and regulations to follow, you can take a day or some time off to support your local business if you care enough about them.
Cant operate if the municipality won’t give you a permit since you can’t follow the rules.
you can take a day or some time off to support your local business
Now who's being entitled?
Are you outside the US or something? We don't get 3 months of PTO time here to waste, most of us are lucky to get a yearly accrual of 2 weeks. Many don't get any.
Show me a municipality in the US that stops a non- liquor/weed/tobacco business owner from working 12 hours or restricts their operating hours
I'll wait
I can’t think of a single city where all business can operate 24 hours, can you provide any?
Its zoning laws, and you can be sure I’m not going to assed to go through any municipalities zoning laws to see when each class of business can be allowed to be open.
Very few businesses are 24/7, not even Walmarts in most cities. Please provide a municipality that says a deli shop can operate 24/7, because some would if they could, but plenty are forced to close before bars are closed and the rest usually an hour after… its not because they want to, its because their specific zoning laws disallow it.
Your original claim
We can't control our work hours for the most part, a business owner can.
A business owner unfortunately has rules to follow on their hours, you claimed otherwise first, so you need to provide the sources, you can’t back out of this one.
You need to pay attention to the thread you're in, nobody asked for 24/7 operation. This entire thread is about businesses that are only open 9-5 on weekdays or some shit. People here are asking for open hours till like 7 or 8 not 2 AM or maybe like a 11-5 on a Saturday.
And FYI, pre-pandemic most Wal-Marts were 24/7, but it proved expensive and they used the plague as an excuse to kill it off. It was their own decision, not regulations.
Okay, so you agree that they have limitations on their hours? Thats the issue of the discussion, some in certain places may need to be closed at 4, and can only open at 8. That’s the limitations of whatever agreements they have with their landlord and municipality. Shit sucks sometimes. But no, business can’t choose their hours, that’s a fallacy, almost all of them have some limitations, like open and close hours due to noise bylaws, or zoning issues with closeness to residential areas.
JUST LIKE YOUR BUSINESS DOES……
No they weren’t, only a select few in most cities were, zoning and bylaws played large roles first.
Not everything is a conspiracy dude.
What is the point of opening a store if you'll only keep it open for 4 hours every other day? Is it really moving a mountain to expect a business owner to invest extra time and staffing into their stores? For fucks sake if you think its so much effort to be open another 30 minutes then why the fuck are you open at all?
You're also just demonizing one form of laziness while protecting another. You're clearly extremely biased and arguing with you anymore than this is pointless
It’s likely their passion job while they work another job in that scenario.
So yeah it’s probably not profitable for them to be open that 30 more minutes, you could be the only extra customer, and you can’t seriously think one potential customer once in while could justify that do you?
And how am I demonizing laziness? Taking time off to support local businesses is lazy? The fuck…?
Airlines make me buy two seats for flights meaning I'm fat enough to be considered two people, so that's two extra customers. Checkmate, Bozo
It's not one extra customer. A LOT of people work 9-5. If everyone else at home also works 9-5, they can't shop at your shop. That's a lot of customers.
They don't need to take a shift off to come to my place of work because I work on an office where the customers are people doing their job.
And if they needed to take a shift off to come to my place of work, it would only be because they work at the same hours as I do. If they worked different hours they wouldn't need to take a shift off.
Taking a shift off every time you need to shop (at least once per week) isn't moving mountains?
Then they can't go an FB or Nextdoor and complain about people not shopping local.
all the grocery stores around me stopped being 24 hours so now i can never get anything after work except taco bell
I wish 24 hours was a thing again, my fiancee gets out at 12:00 and there is literally nothing open unless you want to drive an hour. Honestly i'd work a graveyard shift too, love the night
I'm of two minds. I love the convenience of 24/7, but we were JUST THERE. we saw just how much the corpos will demand in order to keep staffing for all 24 hours. People need time off, and they deserve for it to be consistent and "normal". That doesn't happen if the corporations have a say in a 24 hour shift.
I'd love to see expanded hours not being 24/7, but having different start times. No reason every shop has to open at 6am, some can open at 6, some at 8, some 10, etc, and with a similarly staggered closing time, we can have the convenience of having things open when we're available, and not have every minute of our lives scheduled by a corporation.
Obviously there is still a case for overnight shifts. Emergency work, for example. And we need some support for those people working in an industry that has to be always open. I don't know that there's a good solution to compromise on both situations without just an excessive amount of regulation.
Add those local businesses for food or service type things that are more weekend things, but they close on Sundays cause JEBIS!
Fortunately lots of them also post political shit up in their business or signs whining that nobody wants to work, so I don't even want to partake in most of them anyway.
If I see a sign in a business whining about workers or people not wanting to work, I will straight up leave and go somewhere else. Tells me everything I need to know about how the owner treats their workers.
I've had this conversation with the lady at the really good deli down the road from me! When I occasionally have a rare chance to go in there she says "we never see you anymore!" And I have to always remind her they only serve lunch from 11am to 3pm, my work starts at 11 and my lunch break is at 330 lol
This. If you work during the day anywhere around my town you have a good 30 minutes to do shopping before all the stores close at 4:30.
Never understood those hours, they lock out more than half of their potential customers
They want time to do stuff to.
That's when they should introduce a second shift instead of just having one shift and one set of staff.
Ah, but you see, they would have to pay them
Then you have to pay for double the employee hours. And you may not necessarily make double the profit in doing so.
With self checkout and shelves that detect when stock is empty, how much people could they really need.
I have often wondered about the self checkout clerk/guard who's only job it is to do random control checks in case someone tries to steal.
I sort of cant imagine that they would lose more then a full employee wage on theft without that person there. Especially since pretty much every supermarket having insurance against common theft.
Its called “commercial property insurance” and covers both customer and employee theft.
There exist even a version where lost profits on stolen goods are additionally insured but at least that one is rare to see in this context.
Where I live, there are now supermarkets without employees. You scan your card to open the door, shop, and do self-checkout. I assume if you just leave, they'll deduct the value of the items you took from your account.
They don't offer alcohol, though. Cause there's no way to check if you're of drinking age.
Oh, none of this matters soon anyways. We're all being replaced with AI and robots. None of us are going to have jobs, or money, or ability to pay for rent. Better buy a really really nice tent soon. That's going to be your home!
Username checks out I guess?
You could also take a shift off, just like they would need to to go to your place of work, since they likely have the same hours.
So they need to go out of their way, but not you? The double standards of entitled people are hilarious.
Not to mention business hour limitations from bylaws, not always profitable to be open… lots of factors people ignore, but let’s talk about them now shall we?
What crawled up your ass?
People who expect others to move mountains, but won’t move pebbles themselves.
What’s wrong with their hours, but your identical ones are fine?
We can't control our work hours for the most part, a business owner can.
And then you wonder why people shop at Big Box stores and Amazon. It's not JUST their anticompetitive practices
A business owner has rules and regulations to follow, you can take a day or some time off to support your local business if you care enough about them.
Cant operate if the municipality won’t give you a permit since you can’t follow the rules.
Now who's being entitled?
Are you outside the US or something? We don't get 3 months of PTO time here to waste, most of us are lucky to get a yearly accrual of 2 weeks. Many don't get any.
Show me a municipality in the US that stops a non- liquor/weed/tobacco business owner from working 12 hours or restricts their operating hours
I'll wait
I can’t think of a single city where all business can operate 24 hours, can you provide any?
Its zoning laws, and you can be sure I’m not going to assed to go through any municipalities zoning laws to see when each class of business can be allowed to be open.
Very few businesses are 24/7, not even Walmarts in most cities. Please provide a municipality that says a deli shop can operate 24/7, because some would if they could, but plenty are forced to close before bars are closed and the rest usually an hour after… its not because they want to, its because their specific zoning laws disallow it.
Your original claim
A business owner unfortunately has rules to follow on their hours, you claimed otherwise first, so you need to provide the sources, you can’t back out of this one.
You need to pay attention to the thread you're in, nobody asked for 24/7 operation. This entire thread is about businesses that are only open 9-5 on weekdays or some shit. People here are asking for open hours till like 7 or 8 not 2 AM or maybe like a 11-5 on a Saturday.
And FYI, pre-pandemic most Wal-Marts were 24/7, but it proved expensive and they used the plague as an excuse to kill it off. It was their own decision, not regulations.
Okay, so you agree that they have limitations on their hours? Thats the issue of the discussion, some in certain places may need to be closed at 4, and can only open at 8. That’s the limitations of whatever agreements they have with their landlord and municipality. Shit sucks sometimes. But no, business can’t choose their hours, that’s a fallacy, almost all of them have some limitations, like open and close hours due to noise bylaws, or zoning issues with closeness to residential areas.
JUST LIKE YOUR BUSINESS DOES……
No they weren’t, only a select few in most cities were, zoning and bylaws played large roles first.
Not everything is a conspiracy dude.
What is the point of opening a store if you'll only keep it open for 4 hours every other day? Is it really moving a mountain to expect a business owner to invest extra time and staffing into their stores? For fucks sake if you think its so much effort to be open another 30 minutes then why the fuck are you open at all?
You're also just demonizing one form of laziness while protecting another. You're clearly extremely biased and arguing with you anymore than this is pointless
It’s likely their passion job while they work another job in that scenario.
So yeah it’s probably not profitable for them to be open that 30 more minutes, you could be the only extra customer, and you can’t seriously think one potential customer once in while could justify that do you?
And how am I demonizing laziness? Taking time off to support local businesses is lazy? The fuck…?
Airlines make me buy two seats for flights meaning I'm fat enough to be considered two people, so that's two extra customers. Checkmate, Bozo
It's not one extra customer. A LOT of people work 9-5. If everyone else at home also works 9-5, they can't shop at your shop. That's a lot of customers.
They don't need to take a shift off to come to my place of work because I work on an office where the customers are people doing their job.
And if they needed to take a shift off to come to my place of work, it would only be because they work at the same hours as I do. If they worked different hours they wouldn't need to take a shift off.
Taking a shift off every time you need to shop (at least once per week) isn't moving mountains?
Then they can't go an FB or Nextdoor and complain about people not shopping local.
all the grocery stores around me stopped being 24 hours so now i can never get anything after work except taco bell
I wish 24 hours was a thing again, my fiancee gets out at 12:00 and there is literally nothing open unless you want to drive an hour. Honestly i'd work a graveyard shift too, love the night
I'm of two minds. I love the convenience of 24/7, but we were JUST THERE. we saw just how much the corpos will demand in order to keep staffing for all 24 hours. People need time off, and they deserve for it to be consistent and "normal". That doesn't happen if the corporations have a say in a 24 hour shift.
I'd love to see expanded hours not being 24/7, but having different start times. No reason every shop has to open at 6am, some can open at 6, some at 8, some 10, etc, and with a similarly staggered closing time, we can have the convenience of having things open when we're available, and not have every minute of our lives scheduled by a corporation.
Obviously there is still a case for overnight shifts. Emergency work, for example. And we need some support for those people working in an industry that has to be always open. I don't know that there's a good solution to compromise on both situations without just an excessive amount of regulation.
Add those local businesses for food or service type things that are more weekend things, but they close on Sundays cause JEBIS!
Fortunately lots of them also post political shit up in their business or signs whining that nobody wants to work, so I don't even want to partake in most of them anyway.
If I see a sign in a business whining about workers or people not wanting to work, I will straight up leave and go somewhere else. Tells me everything I need to know about how the owner treats their workers.