Why I Haven't Seen Any Trump Supporters In Fediverse (Lemmy and Mastodon)?
as a person that came from the 3rd world country and new in fediverse environment, i genuinely would like to know about this.
edit: thanks for the replies! sorry, i literally don't know the reason since i'm not a western lol. twitter/x is too biased especially when musk openly supports trump so i came here and seeing fediverse is mostly are harris or biden (when he's still up for the candidate) supporters. don't know about reddit tho, i only use reddit as a forum for linux and programming stuff.
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My brother in christ you cannot compromise on fucking genocide. Liberals like you are so fucking scared of the orange man that you are willing to let hundreds of thousands die without even asking for better.
If all you're voting on is how they respond to Gaza, Harris isn't great but Trump is exponentially worse. He's openly said that Israel should continue what they're doing. In fact, in every metric of comparison Trump is exponentially worse. It's not that we're scared of Trump, it's that he is so much worse in every regard.
Yeah no shit but im not gonna settle for genocide. Slower genocide is still genocide and if I can do anything to prevent the murder of hundreds of thousands of people I will do so. I genuinely believe that witholding my vote and protesting has a chance of altering Harris' position here.
What good does altering Harris's position do if she doesn't win?
If she wins without ceasing material support for actual genocide then we have failed as a people. Politicans are beholden to us not the other way around. It is our demands they should listen to not the demands of raytheon, boeing, palantir, and others that uphold their wealth and power.
Thats not even mentioning the fact that not supporting genocide basically guarantees her win. This is an incredible popular position that many many people passionately care about. She supports genocide because she wants to
But what good is punishing Harris by withdrawing your vote? What does this even do except inch everything closer to Trump - who will make the issue you're prioritizing, worse?
It tells her that she might fucking lose if she doesn't change her stance. Do you really think a politician will do anything for the people if they can win without doing it? How do you think politics works? Asking nicely? I'm exerting political pressure not "punishing her"
^ This is either a bot or a 14 year old. Impossible to tell nowadays
Ok so 14 year old it is then!
Hanlon's razor, my friend. Lemmy is either filled with "bots" for no better reason than to try to persuade the 5k active users which will not be persuaded or it's just another bunch of random people, a good percentage of which will always be idiots.
I think the latter is a lot more likely, don't you?
Your point would be very persuasive if we already hadn't had a bunch of high profile bots exposed...
The orange man is not the solution here, to be clear
Yes, of course. I would never encourage people to vote for a fascist
Yet you are encouraging others to NOT vote for the non-fascist?
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Harris is materially supporting a genocide and uncritically parroting the rhetoric of israeli fascist. I am telling people not to vote for her because she too is a fascist. Should she stop supporting this slaughter then I would happily encourage everyone to vote for her
lol no
Found the trump supporter.
Ah yes everyone not happy about genocide is a trump supporter /s
Lmao, I'm not voting for a kid diddler either
Then you're voting for...?
Whichever candidate is willing to end the genocide not that I'd believe trump if he said he would. I'll vote third party if necessary
Harris is working to end the genocide right now. She's fighting for a permanent ceasefire and two state solution. That might not be your preferred way to resolve the conflict, but it would stop the carnage and give Palestine more leverage to negotiate on the world stage.
Yeah... no. If she was working towards that she would have ended all weapon supplies to Israel. What she is doing is putting on a face and pretending to care.
She can't end all weapon supplies to Israel, she's the vice president.
Even Biden couldn't do it, he paused shipments and Congress passed a bill forcing them to resume. The power of the president is limited, especially when a super majority of Congress are firmly committed to sending weapons to Israel.
She isn't even promising it. She won't do it nor ask Biden to do it. She is helping fund the genocide. Neither have spine.
You do realize that she's the Vice President and doesn't actually have any authority or power unless Biden kicks the bucket, right?
Because it really seems like you think that she has any ability to make unilateral decisions or enact her policy platform right this second, and that simply isn't the case.
She has the.potential to be President yet doesn't even want to offer this! It's unreasonable that even the current US President won't somehow find a legal way to stop weapons exports to a people literally committing war crimes on a daily basis by the admission of almost every expert worldwide on anything related to law, the UN, global health or humanitarian work.
It's not because they are incapable. It's because they have no spine. And worse they have somehow convinced people like you that it's our of their hands.
Biden absolutely has some control over this, but Netanyahu is the bigger problem at the moment. Biden has influence over Netanyahu (with a lot of caveats and red tape due to decades of foreign policy), and Harris has influence over Biden....but that's not the same thing as absolute control. There are also parts of this that have to get approved by congress and there's only so much the office of the president can do unilaterally.
They can be doing more, and they should be doing more, but Harris' role and capability is limited to that of an advisor (under strict scrutiny from everyone) right now, and that doesn't actually give her that much power.
Like I said, they convinced you they are not able to stop weapon exorts to a war criming nation. Did they have a problem like that when it came to Russia? Nope.
The Americans are lost. Their version of democracy has collapsed over their own heads. In a way, they deserve this shit. If they put all this crappy energy into unitedly voting for third candidate, it just might work. But nope, gotta wake up every day and go online to accuse people who refuse a second holocaust of being tRuMp SupPorTers.
Free thought is dead in America and the Americans killed it.
Go ahead downvote me to fucking hell, haters.
It's so hard to take people seriously who talk like turbo redditors. My BrOtHeR iN lOw KeY cHrIsT.
Thats fair but it's probably just a generational or regional divide. For instance, I personally can't take people who use that form of text capitalization seriously. No shame though I just associate it with 7th grade
You're not gonna believe this, but I'm pretty sure that was the intent, to mock you
Somehow people think that pointing out that anyone who isn't Trump are pro-genocide means that Trump somehow isn't pro-genocide.
Like you're not allowed to think about two problems at once. Or that there are no other options....
I get that but I'm not gonna criticize trump for being pro-genocide bc we can't do shit fuck about that. Atleast with Harris there is a slim chance of changing her position on the matter by witholding votes and being vocal about it. Stop doing genocide has gotta be the most reasonable political demand to exist right?
Yes. Exactly! The reason people keep bitching about Harris and genocide is because they hope something might actually happen about it.
Biden was an absolutely terrible candidate (that I was going to vote for) and probably the only person who could lose against Trump. Because people constantly bitched about how bad he was they changed the candidate.
Harris doesn't get to use Trump as a not-as-bad-as screen, and given that we don't have the option of not voting for her, everyone should be applying every other available form of pressure to discourage her from enabling genocide or otherwise maintaining the status quo.
Now is not the time. After she is elected, get out there and put the pressure on her. But it makes no sense to risk the fate of the entire country on this.
This will come as an absolute shock to you. You can vote for someone you criticize....
Which party was it that dogpiles on anyone that dares criticize their shitty candidates again?
The point of saying it before the election is that the expectations are set.
What kind of democracy is one where you can't even criticize the candidate because "it's not the right time" right before the elections when the candidates are forced to make changes to make the public happy? After they are in power, it's another 4 years of BS, and by the third year the same cycle begins and you are not allowed to criticize your candidate.
You're willing to let millions die for how many more generations in Gaza with Hamas in charge, and tens of millions if Iran shoots its shot at Israel? Grow up.
You keep his name out of your fuckdamn heathen mouth...