EU approval for chat control

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We need to do something against this. The EU plans to apply a law for a chat control in the territory. The approval say that all the chats and the emails would be send to the government to do AI scanning to in fact “find the children abuses”, even when using apps with end-to-end encryption (the EU will ask the services to open their secrets keys… we know that Microsoft, Google and Facebook have already agreed to this. On the other hand Signal for example had said that they would leave the EU if this law will be applied). We need to counter this, because this restrict the privacy and the security of the citizens. Even if you’re not living in the EU, you should take a look because that could encourage others to do the same! Please take a look of the situation and make you your own idea of the case. Find out here the votes results for now, by countries and more... mepwatch.eu

Some others organizations criticized the approval, a open letter/petition was posted here : globalencryption.org

PS : I know that this was posted on the community a bit before (https://lemmy.world/post/16093632) but I think this is really important and the people should know it. That's a really regrettable decision for the population. thx

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As nobody has mentioned this yet. Vote! On Sunday all Germans vote on their representation in the EU. Vote for the pirate party or another progressive party. Vote out the grandpa's and grandma's that want to "protect" their adult children.

VOLT is fine too!

I was considering to vote for Volt, but I fear, that their approach to save the climate might get overrun by other liberal parties. I'm currently considering voting for die Piraten.

Pirates are an awesome Party don't misunderstand me, I just like VOLT's approach to unify the EU more.

That Approach is great. I also agree with most of their core values, except their approach to taxes. Its also great to have a party that is active in different country's.

Volt do not have https://patrick-breyer.de

We have Damian BOESELAGER

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damian_Boeselager

Handling data, data protection Boeselager wants to advocate that data collected through digital devices should not only be available to the manufacturing companies, but also to the end users. He also advocates using non-personal data as information to improve products and making it available on data marketplaces. This could be particularly useful with regard to improving wind turbines, for example. Based on this, the EU's Data Act was drafted.

Transparency Boeselager calls for more transparency in politics. It should be clearly visible whether and how much additional money MPs receive and what they spend public money on. He therefore also calls for EU-wide transparency of lobbying activities.

Sound ok, but no blog about what happen inside parliament as close or detailed (has blog, but rare post and look like more broad), and his website has large cookie banner (https://damianboeselager.org/en/).

and on german wikipedia page say got called out may 2024 for not completely transparent on meeting with lobby group.

Wait, you guys have a pirate party over there? That's actually really cool

I wish our parties over here in the states were more interesting like that (also that we have more of them and need a completely different system but that's besides the point)

As most child abuse happens in the homes by the parents or relatives, when can we expect 24/7 surveilance in our homes?

Oh wait its not about protecting children, is it?

They say that it's about to protect children but that ask a big question for our privacy

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Another day, another stupid fucking government surveillance overreach

So here in the states, teens who are romantically active sometimes sext each other (sometimes even as an alternative to actual sex). But law enforcement is very fond of regarding it as CSAM, even to the point of convicting teenagers of distribution. Of all fifty states, only Maine has carved out a defense for teen couples utilizing their phone cameras in a way that is ragingly common among adults.

All fifty states have Romeo and Juliet laws so they recognize that teens sometimes have sex. But as it is, they're not allowed to sext. (also R+J laws often don't apply to same-sex couples).

So I'm all curious how the EU plans to tackle this revelation

So I'm all curious how the EU plans to tackle this revelation

They do not. At all.

So as per the rest of western cultures, they freak out and abuse teens when they engage in normal sexual activity? Do they imprison them the way they do here?

I'm worried too but I doubt countries who voted against it will just lie down and turn over. I'm sure local courts will fight this on the grounds of national privacy laws. And just because the EU wishes this to be a thing doesn't mean it's happening too. The technological groundwork needs to be developed for this and I can imagine that some service will drag their feet at implementing that. At least that's my unicorn utopia with rainbows I currently live in to bear this reality 🫠

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If this law passes I will delete What's App. I don't fucking care how many contacts I will loose. Matrix it is then.

You know even without the law should consider deleting whatsapp and switched to signal or other private stuff

I would prefer Matrix or XMPP, they don't have the risks regarding centralization and are thus far harder to censor.

For sure these are better for a more private and can avoid censorship far more easily, you can use Session as well, but the of Signal is really good because of their solid proved encryption. Snowden and others recommend it. Maybe not the absolute best but far away from the worst

Signal is also great because it is easy to use, and works on all mobile platforms. It's probably the easiest secure chat app to get people onboard with using.

Major XMPP clients now have implemented OMEMO - from what I understand, it's very similar.

My issue with Signal, aside from centralization and phone numbers, is how it is annoying to use without a smartphone.

Doesn’t need phone numbers anymore

First - it does still require one for registration, just no longer requires it to be public. Second - this still has nothing to do with the fact that desktop doesn't allow registration and tells you to register from a smartphone instead.

Yes, I try to avoid it, but its kinda ass, if you loose contact to literally everyone you know.

I already use Signal and matrix for certain groups and contacts.

I can understand I've gone trough that as well, but you know it's so much safer to use a more private messaging app, as example we suspect the Israeliens to use AI and WhatsApp to organize murders to suspected pro Palestinians people, based on their groups on whatsapp...

Results of last voting, so you know who not to choose on Sunday:

https://mepwatch.eu/9/vote.html?v=167712

Well... fuck

Maybe try getting an MEP for Greens/EFA or the Left?

In Poland it's not great either... But I'm positively surprised that 3 guys from PiS voted against it. That gives us 4 to 41. Not great, as I said before...

I'm relieved that the group I wanted to vote was against. I'm frightened that it was the only one against in France 😱

Which group in France is against? I consider making this issue a top priority for choosing who I vote for.

80% for, as in "in favour of scanning", or am I misinterpreting something?

No, I think that's corrext because our conservative CDU/CSU party voted in favor and we all know how those ultra-conservative christians vote.

Isn’t that the vote for chat control 1.0?

if I'm reading this correctly, it's from April 2024, which was after the previous version was rejected.

Isn’t it to vote to renew chat control 1.0?

Spain has consistently been a major proponent of mandating this stuff, from what I've read in the past. I assume that this relates to wanting to deal with their secessionist movements.

That could be the reason. In this case the Germany the Poland and the Austria are refusing the approval

This is beyond stupid. Criminals will continue using encryption. Citizens are mandated to forfeit any semblance of privacy. This is tyranny in it's plainest form.

Jokes on them! I haven’t has sext in years.

That's not the point, though, now is it.

So session, signal or telegram. OK.

First telegram is not private.

And then Signal would not keep his EU market if this law applied, for session and all more independents services they could maybe go trough this law... but even with this it's a big no-no

Signal's CEO has already said they will leave the EU if the law passes.

Session is cool but sometimes unreliable in the delivery.

SimpleX is also quite interesting. But I don't use it enough to say something about the reliablity.