Which is exactly what Netanyahu wants. He needs a forever war to maintain war powers so he can keep being a dictator.
Hwa trying to start World War 3 to stay in power. And the US looks like they're going to let him...
This does seem to be his only real goal.
So here's the plan guys.
We let Hezbollah and Israel kill each other off, and the citizens start a new government.
One that we can be friendly with.
If only this could all be stopped by cutting off our weapons to israel supply to escalate these Genocides with.
At least someone is acting rationally about how Israel's actions could lead to WW3
Brown said the U.S. continues to talk with Israeli leaders and warn against widening the conflict. He said a key message is “to think about the second order of effect of any type of operation into Lebanon, and how that might play out and how it impacts not just the region, but how it impacts our forces in regions as well.”
Pentagon officials have said that Austin has also raised concerns about a broader conflict when he spoke to Gallant in a recent phone call.
“Given the amount of rocket fire we’ve seen going from both sides of the border, we’ve certainly been concerned about that situation, and both publicly and privately have been urging all parties to restore calm along that border, and again, to seek a diplomatic solution,” said Maj. Gen. Pat Ryder, the Pentagon press secretary, last week.
They are just afraid that it's going to have a massive toll on israel. They couldn't care less about what will happen to non ally countries
Israel can't even genocide Gaza on their own...
If they start a war at the same time, they'll lose immediately if they don't drag America into it.
And Biden has spent 50 years saying that no matter what happens, he'll never stop or even slow support to Israel.
Iran is allied with Russia and other local governments in the 4+1 treaty, so trump would likely join against Israel.
Either way, the US is gonna be involved if it happens, which isn't a good thing.
People like saying Israel can't genocide Gazans on their own. They need the US help, just because they say that and they're getting it. Are you sure they're not just lying about really needing it, and couldn't use other, lower-tech methods like starvation or napalm to do it if they were forced to? Or even trebuchets if they really, really felt like it?
It's a very tiring line. I understand wanting to pressure the US to halt military assistance, but do not think that would magically save Gaza. Biden has to deal with the harsh reality that it would not, because this isn't a movie, or a peer-peer war where 1000lb bombs are actually genuinely necessary.
The IDF would take more casualties without 1000lb bombs 155mm artillery shells, definitely. But that's it. They are human beings capable of adaptation and problem-solving, and could solve the problem of how to accomplish a goal without enough explosives.
Now, to fight Hezbollah on the other hand, that's a pretty big army. Probably do need the big bombs for that.
But Biden has slowed weapon shipments to Israel, it's the only thing he can (legally, not politically) do since the aid is mandated by law and his executive power doesn't extend to negating laws.
He could also have not lied in the report that would have legally mandated stopping shipments
Biden really needs to be more carful when filling out those reports.
Biden really needs to be more careful that the final reports that his administration presents actually resembles the expert opinions it is allegedly based on
But Biden has slowed weapon shipments to Israel
He hasn't. Netanyahu is making up shit because he can.
There have been U S. officials that confirmed this has happened though.
I'm not even arguing that it's effective, just that it happened.
He paused a shipment. Overall flow of weapons from the US to Israel hasn't changed.
More than just one, but yeah, the "overall flow" is set in law by acts of Congress, and only an act of Congress can stop that flow, not the executive branch.
I mean okay. I'm not sure how true that is, but what I'm trying to say isn't "fuck Biden"; it's "Netanyahu is making shit up".
Rightfully so. Actually Nato and Ukraine would massively benefit when Israel shoots Iran into oblivion. However the possibility of nukes getting involved is there.
Nobody gives a fuck, Iran is literally supplying terrorists and Russia with weapons, iran being shown their boundaries is really necessary soon.
Iran is the main driver of the middle east problems right now.
I give a fuck. Anyone who doesn't want lots of people to die gives a fuck. Just because you don't give a fuck doesn't mean you speak for everyone else.
Welcome to humanity, we do kill each other. We did for the last 12k years and we will in the future. You guys need to learn about the tolerance paradox. You tolerate the intolerant. In this case you are for letting a warmonger do whatever he wants, supporting Terrorism and supplying Russia with weapons and people for their war. YOU ARE KILLING MORE PEOPLE BY NOT DOING SOMETHING.
Most of humanity has a thing called 'empathy,' wherein they care about others dying.
Also, I'm not 'letting a warmonger do whatever he wants.' I have no power to do anything about any warmongers and I doubt you do either, which is why you're complaining about it on Lemmy rather than acting. So maybe don't point fingers.
Also, I'm quite familiar with the paradox of tolerance, and that has absolutely nothing to do with people other than you caring about a war even if you say they don't. I care.
Oh i do care about people dieing, that's why i want the people that are responsible to be gone... You want to leave those alone that fight against them.
Empathy is a thing that isn't really provable, you might feel bad when you kill a innocent, bit when someone charges you with a knife and you can shot him, you still do. You protect yourself and the people close to you before thinking about the person attacking you. Same thing works for countries.
Oh i do care about people dieing,
You literally said that nobody gives a fuck, make up your mind.
Empathy is a thing that isn’t really provable, you might feel bad when you kill a innocent, bit when someone charges you with a knife and you can shot him, you still do.
That's literally what empathy is. Innocence has nothing to do with it.
Nobody gives a fuck about the possibility of war in means ofnit standing in the way of Israel defending itself.
And yet innocents do die in war as collateral damage, still waaaaay better than the guys that intentionally target innocent people. Welcome to humanity again.
Again, you do not speak for anyone but yourself.
I give a fuck.
You don't speak for everyone either and nobody means the majority in such a statement. The majority of humans don't give a single shit.
I wasn't trying to speak for anyone but myself, so that is a ludicrous accusation, and "nobody" does not mean "the majority." If you meant "the majority," you should have said so. It would not have taken you significantly longer to type, so I don't believe your silly excuse.
Also-
The majority of humans don’t give a single shit.
Let's see your evidence. Polling numbers will work with a decent sample size. You have them, right? You wouldn't just be speaking on all of those people's behalves without knowing what they actually think, would you?
In one form or another, this is basically the rationalization that warmongers always use to justify their own awfulness. As an American, I’ve been listening to my own country deploy this gem my entire life.
Israel is the main driver of middle eastern problems. It's existence is an abomination.
It's existence is an abomination
And that, kids, is why we have wars. The moment people with power start saying "yeah Israel should exist but also should a Palestinian state" - that's when we'll have peace.
Israel will need to be redo as Nazi Germany was redo in order for common person support its existence
The current regime must be held accountable and Israeli people need to repent.
We can't enable this shit, just look at Russia...
I'm not sure why you think we need an apartheid colonial ethnostate at all. Nor how you expect having pockets of Palestinian state embedded like oil into water in the region that Israel controls will yield a lasting peace TBH.
two state solution sounds fair, but nations with border tension and decades of bad blood don't really get along even when simply bordering one another let alone when you have two disjoint Palestinian territories embedded in a territory that Israelis consider their promised land.
No state whose identity is ethnically or religiously defined will work in that situation.
You would need some kind of major cultural shift towards egalitarianism and away from religious and ethnic identity in that region to make that work.
We will have peace when israel is gone. It is a Nazi state that refuses peace and exists to expand its Lebensraum.
As proven by israel refusing peace in the West Bank. There is only one aggressor.
Which is exactly what Netanyahu wants. He needs a forever war to maintain war powers so he can keep being a dictator.
Hwa trying to start World War 3 to stay in power. And the US looks like they're going to let him...
This does seem to be his only real goal.
So here's the plan guys.
We let Hezbollah and Israel kill each other off, and the citizens start a new government.
One that we can be friendly with.
If only this could all be stopped by cutting off our weapons to israel supply to escalate these Genocides with.
At least someone is acting rationally about how Israel's actions could lead to WW3
They are just afraid that it's going to have a massive toll on israel. They couldn't care less about what will happen to non ally countries
Israel can't even genocide Gaza on their own...
If they start a war at the same time, they'll lose immediately if they don't drag America into it.
And Biden has spent 50 years saying that no matter what happens, he'll never stop or even slow support to Israel.
Iran is allied with Russia and other local governments in the 4+1 treaty, so trump would likely join against Israel.
Either way, the US is gonna be involved if it happens, which isn't a good thing.
People like saying Israel can't genocide Gazans on their own. They need the US help, just because they say that and they're getting it. Are you sure they're not just lying about really needing it, and couldn't use other, lower-tech methods like starvation or napalm to do it if they were forced to? Or even trebuchets if they really, really felt like it?
It's a very tiring line. I understand wanting to pressure the US to halt military assistance, but do not think that would magically save Gaza. Biden has to deal with the harsh reality that it would not, because this isn't a movie, or a peer-peer war where 1000lb bombs are actually genuinely necessary.
The IDF would take more casualties without 1000lb bombs 155mm artillery shells, definitely. But that's it. They are human beings capable of adaptation and problem-solving, and could solve the problem of how to accomplish a goal without enough explosives.
Now, to fight Hezbollah on the other hand, that's a pretty big army. Probably do need the big bombs for that.
But Biden has slowed weapon shipments to Israel, it's the only thing he can (legally, not politically) do since the aid is mandated by law and his executive power doesn't extend to negating laws.
He could also have not lied in the report that would have legally mandated stopping shipments
Biden really needs to be more carful when filling out those reports.
Biden really needs to be more careful that the final reports that his administration presents actually resembles the expert opinions it is allegedly based on
He hasn't. Netanyahu is making up shit because he can.
There have been U S. officials that confirmed this has happened though.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/18/politics/blinken-confirms-pause-heavy-bombs-israel/index.html
I'm not even arguing that it's effective, just that it happened.
He paused a shipment. Overall flow of weapons from the US to Israel hasn't changed.
More than just one, but yeah, the "overall flow" is set in law by acts of Congress, and only an act of Congress can stop that flow, not the executive branch.
I mean okay. I'm not sure how true that is, but what I'm trying to say isn't "fuck Biden"; it's "Netanyahu is making shit up".
Rightfully so. Actually Nato and Ukraine would massively benefit when Israel shoots Iran into oblivion. However the possibility of nukes getting involved is there.
Nobody gives a fuck, Iran is literally supplying terrorists and Russia with weapons, iran being shown their boundaries is really necessary soon.
Iran is the main driver of the middle east problems right now.
I give a fuck. Anyone who doesn't want lots of people to die gives a fuck. Just because you don't give a fuck doesn't mean you speak for everyone else.
Welcome to humanity, we do kill each other. We did for the last 12k years and we will in the future. You guys need to learn about the tolerance paradox. You tolerate the intolerant. In this case you are for letting a warmonger do whatever he wants, supporting Terrorism and supplying Russia with weapons and people for their war. YOU ARE KILLING MORE PEOPLE BY NOT DOING SOMETHING.
Most of humanity has a thing called 'empathy,' wherein they care about others dying.
Also, I'm not 'letting a warmonger do whatever he wants.' I have no power to do anything about any warmongers and I doubt you do either, which is why you're complaining about it on Lemmy rather than acting. So maybe don't point fingers.
Also, I'm quite familiar with the paradox of tolerance, and that has absolutely nothing to do with people other than you caring about a war even if you say they don't. I care.
Oh i do care about people dieing, that's why i want the people that are responsible to be gone... You want to leave those alone that fight against them.
Empathy is a thing that isn't really provable, you might feel bad when you kill a innocent, bit when someone charges you with a knife and you can shot him, you still do. You protect yourself and the people close to you before thinking about the person attacking you. Same thing works for countries.
You literally said that nobody gives a fuck, make up your mind.
That's literally what empathy is. Innocence has nothing to do with it.
Nobody gives a fuck about the possibility of war in means ofnit standing in the way of Israel defending itself.
And yet innocents do die in war as collateral damage, still waaaaay better than the guys that intentionally target innocent people. Welcome to humanity again.
Again, you do not speak for anyone but yourself.
I give a fuck.
You don't speak for everyone either and nobody means the majority in such a statement. The majority of humans don't give a single shit.
I wasn't trying to speak for anyone but myself, so that is a ludicrous accusation, and "nobody" does not mean "the majority." If you meant "the majority," you should have said so. It would not have taken you significantly longer to type, so I don't believe your silly excuse.
Also-
Let's see your evidence. Polling numbers will work with a decent sample size. You have them, right? You wouldn't just be speaking on all of those people's behalves without knowing what they actually think, would you?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exaggeration
And
Can you prove that more than 1% or 2% of people on earth give a shit, most live their lifes like normal without even thinking about it.
Where you're claiming exaggeration, I'm claiming trolling. Especially when you expect me to prove something I never claimed.
You want those responsible gone? looks like we gotta drone strike the knesset then
In one form or another, this is basically the rationalization that warmongers always use to justify their own awfulness. As an American, I’ve been listening to my own country deploy this gem my entire life.
Israel is the main driver of middle eastern problems. It's existence is an abomination.
And that, kids, is why we have wars. The moment people with power start saying "yeah Israel should exist but also should a Palestinian state" - that's when we'll have peace.
Israel will need to be redo as Nazi Germany was redo in order for common person support its existence
The current regime must be held accountable and Israeli people need to repent.
We can't enable this shit, just look at Russia...
I'm not sure why you think we need an apartheid colonial ethnostate at all. Nor how you expect having pockets of Palestinian state embedded like oil into water in the region that Israel controls will yield a lasting peace TBH.
two state solution sounds fair, but nations with border tension and decades of bad blood don't really get along even when simply bordering one another let alone when you have two disjoint Palestinian territories embedded in a territory that Israelis consider their promised land.
No state whose identity is ethnically or religiously defined will work in that situation.
You would need some kind of major cultural shift towards egalitarianism and away from religious and ethnic identity in that region to make that work.
We will have peace when israel is gone. It is a Nazi state that refuses peace and exists to expand its Lebensraum.
As proven by israel refusing peace in the West Bank. There is only one aggressor.