Let's not forget now that Purism is a scam. Librem 5 is a joke.
How? I'm interested, because I wanted to buy one a few months ago :)
Check out Louis Rossmanns video about them. A rather shady company.
I just received mine after waiting 3+ years actually. It is pretty sweet with waydroid and KDE connect. I'm still not daily driving it because of the lack of a maps application with navigation though.
On Sailfish OS I used to use Pure Maps, which seems to be available on Flathub. I don't know if it works on the Librem 5 though, but you might want to give it a try? There's also an optional dependency for offline maps.
Oh yeah, I saw this on Ubuntu touch also. I'll see if I can get the flathub repo loaded in. That will certainly increase the variety in apps I can use!
I use Organic Maps on Android, but it also has a Linux version nowadays. I haven't tried it, but if it's the same codebase, that might work for you?
Oh cool! I'll give it a shot. Based on the other comment I got, I'll need to see if I can get flathub into the pureOS store.
Really people still purchase from this company? I wonder how many years people we'll have to wait to not get their tablet?
They might do it to subsidise the software development they've been contributing to make so much of GNOME adaptive - for which I am grateful.
I’m really excited about Linux tablets, but quite apprehensive about Purism as a company. Starlabs’ new tablet does also seem like a compelling package, luckily.
Pine64's pinetab 2 also looks pretty good
From this blog review on June 2023, it seems that camera, WiFi and bluetooth are still not working properly.
PineTab2 seems more like a developer tinkering/testing device rather than a Linux tablet alternative for Android/iPad.
Yeah, that's generally the idea behind Pine64 devices. Also note that they encourage you not to order if you expect refunds for issues like broken pixels.
They're very cheap because of that though.
True. I just wanted to add that comment just because the other poster make it sounds like PineTab2 is an alternative for Purism tablet - which is competing with iPads and Android tablet. It gave me false hope for a moment until I searched some reviews online and see it is a totally different device category.
So I just replied to clarify just in case other people got the false impression too.
Correct. They used an old Android wifi/BT chip that had a driver for an old kernel, but it tends to run slow and crash on the newest kernels. The devs are working on wifi first and then will start doing the others.
The price difference is absolutely wild, oh my
Yep, I have a Pinetab 2 and love it.
Since I don't know either: could you tell me a bit about your thoughts about Starlabs and Purism?
I have some links saved about purism dramas, in case you are interested:
Ooof that's rough. Thanks. Dammit, the tablet looks so cool.
Purism’s corporate charter recognizes them as a social purpose corporation, it sounds very good in theory, but I think it’s been a struggle for them to pull off. Under this charter they’re supposed to value creating products and services that benefit society more than simply making profits. Unfortunately, I think being so idealistic has caused them to over promise and under deliver, as was the case with the Librem 5 phone imo.
In addition to what the other commenter said: AFAIK Starlabs is the only Europe based manufacturer that makes their own Linux based laptops (non Clevo/similar computers). I personally don’t have any experience with their stuff though, but I’ve never heard similar complaints about them that are levelled at Purism.
The Starlabs Starlite 5 looks much more interesting imo
Those are some... odd specs.
1TB NVME, OLED
with an Intel N CPU?
Bleah, that Intel N CPU is going to ruin the experience.
You could have a decent experience. Take away the NVME, even with an m.2 ssd, and the oled and bring that price down into the 400-600 range.
Hell, put an arm CPU and keep those other specs and stay in that range
the low power cpu bottleneck for nvme drives is pretty intense from what I know. These specs, to me, look like the equivalent of a tech youtuber just throwing together random hardware into a case to make a build video because it's a slow week for content.
Another Linux tablet is definitely good news. I like Purism’s stated values and their laptops are very solid, the Librem phone was a disappointment for me personally though.
Too bad that Purism's stated values are the opposite of their real business practices.
Their company is run by scammers it seems. Louis Rossman's videos are informative.
I wish them good luck.
Only thing that would be important to me is if it can emulate up to gamecube, play some indie/fan games, & good battery life.
( Which I feel should be do-able in 2023. )
x86 in an ipad form factor? Boo!
What linux tablets use RISC? I see PineTab does, but it's for people who like to brag that they use Arch. Are there any that are more polished?
From what I understand, the RISC-V ecosystem is not polished enough yet, so the state of PineTab-V roughly represents the state of the entire platform for desktop Linux.
I see they also have an ARM model available. Shit... at $240 after shipping I might buy that for my 10 year old to get him into Linux.
As much as I like the idea behind Pine64, make sure you understand what you're doing - their devices usually need some time before they're useful, they might underperform, etc.
On the other hand, they're usually priced well for what they offer, and I think the ARM model of new PineTab might look better than their usual new offerings. Make sure to find out, how polished it is before you buy.
Let's not forget now that Purism is a scam. Librem 5 is a joke.
How? I'm interested, because I wanted to buy one a few months ago :)
Check out Louis Rossmanns video about them. A rather shady company.
I just received mine after waiting 3+ years actually. It is pretty sweet with waydroid and KDE connect. I'm still not daily driving it because of the lack of a maps application with navigation though.
On Sailfish OS I used to use Pure Maps, which seems to be available on Flathub. I don't know if it works on the Librem 5 though, but you might want to give it a try? There's also an optional dependency for offline maps.
Oh yeah, I saw this on Ubuntu touch also. I'll see if I can get the flathub repo loaded in. That will certainly increase the variety in apps I can use!
I use Organic Maps on Android, but it also has a Linux version nowadays. I haven't tried it, but if it's the same codebase, that might work for you?
Oh cool! I'll give it a shot. Based on the other comment I got, I'll need to see if I can get flathub into the pureOS store.
Really people still purchase from this company? I wonder how many years people we'll have to wait to not get their tablet?
They might do it to subsidise the software development they've been contributing to make so much of GNOME adaptive - for which I am grateful.
I’m really excited about Linux tablets, but quite apprehensive about Purism as a company. Starlabs’ new tablet does also seem like a compelling package, luckily.
Pine64's pinetab 2 also looks pretty good
From this blog review on June 2023, it seems that camera, WiFi and bluetooth are still not working properly.
PineTab2 seems more like a developer tinkering/testing device rather than a Linux tablet alternative for Android/iPad.
Yeah, that's generally the idea behind Pine64 devices. Also note that they encourage you not to order if you expect refunds for issues like broken pixels.
They're very cheap because of that though.
True. I just wanted to add that comment just because the other poster make it sounds like PineTab2 is an alternative for Purism tablet - which is competing with iPads and Android tablet. It gave me false hope for a moment until I searched some reviews online and see it is a totally different device category.
So I just replied to clarify just in case other people got the false impression too.
Correct. They used an old Android wifi/BT chip that had a driver for an old kernel, but it tends to run slow and crash on the newest kernels. The devs are working on wifi first and then will start doing the others.
The price difference is absolutely wild, oh my
Yep, I have a Pinetab 2 and love it.
Since I don't know either: could you tell me a bit about your thoughts about Starlabs and Purism?
I have some links saved about purism dramas, in case you are interested:
https://www.phoronix.com/news/Zlatan-Todoric-Interview
https://old.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/dmhfcz/purism\_then\_and\_now/
https://web.archive.org/web/20191123172506/https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/cje7vg/dont\_use\_pureos\_or\_the\_librem\_5/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/my8u2l/psa\_librem\_14\_units\_appear\_to\_have\_been\_modified/
https://old.reddit.com/r/Purism/comments/owahb4/librem\_5\_usa\_read\_before\_ordering/
Ooof that's rough. Thanks. Dammit, the tablet looks so cool.
Purism’s corporate charter recognizes them as a social purpose corporation, it sounds very good in theory, but I think it’s been a struggle for them to pull off. Under this charter they’re supposed to value creating products and services that benefit society more than simply making profits. Unfortunately, I think being so idealistic has caused them to over promise and under deliver, as was the case with the Librem 5 phone imo.
In addition to what the other commenter said: AFAIK Starlabs is the only Europe based manufacturer that makes their own Linux based laptops (non Clevo/similar computers). I personally don’t have any experience with their stuff though, but I’ve never heard similar complaints about them that are levelled at Purism.
The Starlabs Starlite 5 looks much more interesting imo
Those are some... odd specs.
1TB NVME, OLED with an Intel N CPU?
Bleah, that Intel N CPU is going to ruin the experience.
You could have a decent experience. Take away the NVME, even with an m.2 ssd, and the oled and bring that price down into the 400-600 range.
Hell, put an arm CPU and keep those other specs and stay in that range
the low power cpu bottleneck for nvme drives is pretty intense from what I know. These specs, to me, look like the equivalent of a tech youtuber just throwing together random hardware into a case to make a build video because it's a slow week for content.
Linus moment
8gb soldered... my phone has 16gb soldered.
Another Linux tablet is definitely good news. I like Purism’s stated values and their laptops are very solid, the Librem phone was a disappointment for me personally though.
Too bad that Purism's stated values are the opposite of their real business practices.
Their company is run by scammers it seems. Louis Rossman's videos are informative.
I wish them good luck. Only thing that would be important to me is if it can emulate up to gamecube, play some indie/fan games, & good battery life.
( Which I feel should be do-able in 2023. )
x86 in an ipad form factor? Boo!
What linux tablets use RISC? I see PineTab does, but it's for people who like to brag that they use Arch. Are there any that are more polished?
From what I understand, the RISC-V ecosystem is not polished enough yet, so the state of PineTab-V roughly represents the state of the entire platform for desktop Linux.
I see they also have an ARM model available. Shit... at $240 after shipping I might buy that for my 10 year old to get him into Linux.
As much as I like the idea behind Pine64, make sure you understand what you're doing - their devices usually need some time before they're useful, they might underperform, etc.
On the other hand, they're usually priced well for what they offer, and I think the ARM model of new PineTab might look better than their usual new offerings. Make sure to find out, how polished it is before you buy.