Judge in New York fraud trial threatens to jail Trump for violating gag order

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Judge threatens to imprison Trump for violating gag order in New York fraud trial
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Stop “threatening” and fucking do it.

200mil fraud here, sexual alligations left and right, suspected treason. But this time, oh boy we are relly threatening him.

He’s been fucking around for his entire life. Can we PLEASE get to the “find out” phase already?

I do kinda get being cautious, don't want to give him any grounds for appeal, but this is so blatant. He literally doxxed the prosecutor, how can they not hold him in contempt.

I am looking forward to watching the logistics play out of imprisoning Trump along with his Secret Service detail.

One wonders if he'll need a whole floor of cells for his entourage.

Oooh, so like prisoners are charged for for their upkeep and tfg’s ss detail was billed at double or more usual rates at his properties, we’re going to charge those excesses for ss upkeep?

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I’m just floored that the judges issuing these gag orders don’t just take 15 extra minutes to add in some legal clauses that make it clear that shenanigans/“uWu I didn’t know I couldn’t do that”/“it was an accident I swear!” bullshit is not going to be considered a valid defense. This boundary-pushing shit needs to be smacked down with a fucking sledgehammer.

He's said he's happy to go to jail and I believe him.

I'm not saying it shouldn't happen but if it does it will grow and solidify support for him even more and whilst he's very far from a smart man, he's cunning enough to know this and use it.

Nope. His supporters like him because he gets away with things. They want to be him because they want power. They have little control over their daily lives and they think they deserve more, by any means necessary.

If he's locked up it's a downer. It makes him look weak. If you think jail will make Trump a martyr, you don't understand why his supporters like him.

They want power. They want to be on top. When (not if) he's put under house arrest, he will go down in popularity.

That's not how I see it at all. He has constantly played on his persecution complex - his whole schtick since 2020 has been conspiracy based on a 'stolen election' and how they're all out to get him - and it's very popular. He's the leading republican nominee. His supporters will see him being jailed as confirmation of everything he's already saying 'they all hate Trump', 'they're trying to stop Trump being president'.

He understands exactly what motivates his supporters and him being perfectly happy to go to jail for contempt should tell you everything you need to know.

He acts persecuted but rarely is actually punished. That's the key. You're trusting him when he tells you he's persecuted.

He was punished by Covid and lost the election. He and most of the people he supported lost the election. Republicans lost both GA Senate seats because of him (and good GOTV work by Democrats).

It was one of the biggest electoral losses in history for an incumbent president, mainly because his supporters were not as energized as Democrats.

When (not if) he loses one of his many felony cases, they are going to put him under house arrest and he will not be able to campaign. He will look like a powerless loser and his supporters will be dejected.

He acts persecuted but rarely is actually punished. That’s the key. You’re trusting him when he tells you he’s persecuted.

No, I'm not - but every single one of his supporters and all those wavering are.

Your country sleptwalked into a Trump presidency in 2016 because everyone thought it wasn't possible for him to win, because it was clear how awful he is. You're running the risk of underestimating him again.

Your country

Oh, you're from somewhere outside the US. Your ideas about Trump supporters mean very little now, since you don't actually interact with them in daily life. Online doesn't count. Those are mainly edgy teens.

You do realise there's more ways to learn about group behaviour than interacting with the group online?

It will only solidify support among those who already support him.

To a point, that's true. But it will also convince the easily swayed. Definitely in enough numbers to get re-elected if there's a repetition of voter behaviour of 2016. I just really hope everyone who can, votes. Or, failing that, he gets sent down for life.

He's fine with it because he knows jail for him won't be like jail for the rest of us.

At this point I have to assume he's bought the judges off. Why else do they refuse to uphold the rules.

We hear about all of the bad behavior and warnings, but many people don't realize it's all happening in a number of cases. Warnings from one trial don't generally carry over to a different trial.

Cannon in FL is not paid off. She's doing it for free because she's a MAGA idiot.

Chutkan is being fair but somewhat cautious/gracious to avoid an appeal if (when) Trump gets convicted for J6.

Engoron - the one in the article - is an old school republican. But he's also an old school judge. His pretrial rulings have been swift and fair. He seems to understand Trump is full of shit, and he's also not just rubber stamping everything the prosecution requests.

There's plenty wrong with our legal system, but none of these judges have been bought off.