Lemmy and mastadon and the whole fedeverse are the future. We didn't have our eyes open cause we where stuck in the Reddit world for so long. I'm learning more and more everyday and i'm loving it. So easy and so many people :P People will make this place close to reddit as they can but long live lemmy
Regardless of the success (or failure) of the blackout what's important is to create an alternative platform to Reddit. The blackout doesn't have much legs because of the lack of alternative. Deep inside we all know that many will just go back to reddit once the blackout will end - it's why the importance of creating an alternative.
Keep boosting Lemmy.
Bleh, gatekeeping is trash
I mean the only people who are gatekeeping are those that prevent themselves from joining because they are unwilling to work out how the fediverse and by extension Lemmy work and how it's actually surprisingly easy to use, once you get used to it.
In other words people's fear of change is the true gatekeeper here.
Still annoying, but so long as we don't try to make it harder for these people to adapt than it already is, I think there should be no problems.
i think accessibility is why lemmy has such an "Old Internet" vibe to it. there are probably a lot of people here that joined reddit over a decade ago (my account turned 11 this year).
that and, there's no reason to tie your real identity to your account. i think about the difference between lemmy and mastodon (aside from mastodon being like twitter). i look at mastodon maybe a few times a month, but when i do look at it, i see people using their real identities and posting as if it's a piece of their professional career
Putting your real name and face on the internet has always been a mistake
Not necessarily.
Something like Facebook is still useful for keeping in touch with extended family and social circles. I may not particularly care about great uncle John, but it's nice to be aware that he's in the hospital after a bad fall without that information going through 5 rounds of the telephone game.
Somewhere like Reddit or the fediverse? I would never want my real identity associated with these accounts. It's nice to have some anonymity.
Facebook is a (mistake/evil plot)
Facebook in specific? Sure.
But the idea of platform meant for keeping in loose direct contact with your extended family and social group? That has merit.
i'm so glad we're off reddit so now we can say what we really feel about spez
Apollo was the only reason i used reddit...
I didn't even use third party apps, I just really don't like when companies try to enforce stuff in that way. I'd love for Lemmy to grow big, and it doesn't seem to have the same initial clunkiness and feeling of being lost that you'd have on Mastodon during the Twitter shenanigans. I'm hopeful.
Ditto. I used to use BaconReader a million years ago, but for the most part I just use my mobile browser if I'm on my phone. But them doing this to 3PA is a red flag, a big giant one, that either they're looking at Twitter and going "wow that's working great, definitely not a huge catastrophic trash fire" or at least going "that's a trash fire alright, but one I'm willing to live with if it means more money." Time to get out.
Same with Sync
Same with Relay
Same with RIF
Oh yes! Reddit is truly migrating in all it's forms! Including chain commenting.
Nature is healing.
Same with RedReader
Same with Boost.
Reddit is going to let RedReader still work. They need it for accessibility. Also the dev is thinking of letting you access lemmy with RedReader.
Reddit is going to let RedReader still work [only as long as] they need it for accessibility.
There. Fixed that for ya!
Yes, I saw that, but the disappearance of NSFW content for third party apps is still on tracks if I'm not mistaken.
Joey for me
The biggest benefit I see so far is the lack of bots. I know there are still some bots out there but most of them are useful bots and not just karma farming bots or bots designed for propaganda.
It reminds me of when I first found Reddit back in the day, and just how not user friendly it was. I'm looking at the blackout like a good thing - I've got a little bit of that "excitement" back from finding and exploring these new places.
I remember having to explain to people what subreddit where, once lemmy/kbin upgrade their UI enough it will be no more complicated.
Kbins build docs are a nightmare. I have experience with Linux and docker. Can’t get them to work at all. Closest I get are 500 errors and one can’t find a log tossing errors to explain it to save my life.
Maybe I’m not as well familiarized with the parts and pieces as I thought, though I’ve built plenty of Drupal stacks and the like, even using docker and Ansible etc.
Then I look at PRs showing sql injection fixes and XSS fixes and I’m like…oh
I have a buddy who once gave me props for being able to navigate reddit with ease as silly as that sounds. I can't even imagine showing him this...
For og reddit people. The toxic new wave can stay out.
This is truly a successor to Reddit but I think getting more people to migrate is crucial. Still not a lot of people have heard about this. We need to bring more people here.
Yeah, we've literally seen this forum migration happen many times in the short history of the internet. Reddit had some novel concepts in terms of evolving and democratizing the concept, and it was the best thing since sliced bread for a long time.
Federation is a reasonable evolution of the user-run, user-generated concept, which ultimately requires more freedom that a heavily monetized platform can ever deliver. I there will always be a distinction between internet media as a product, and internet media as a utility. The neat thing seems to be that the internet kind of always seems to evolve new versions of the latter when they are needed.
Weird Flex
There is some enormous potential opportunities on the horizon that we're well ahead of here. The real issue is, Reddit will have to join us on the fediverse or they will be history.
What we have to do as instances/admins/fedizens (whatever you want to call yourselves) is build the future we want. It will be quirky - but at some point that quirkyness is exactly what people want in the end.
I think so, true commitment for this community is what makes it more interesting.
Still Reddit has the perks of being the source for tons of Google searches and less experienced users which brings lots of interesting topics/solutions etc.
But being away of repost, ads, influencers and that kind of shit is reassuring not gonna lie lol.
I think the fundamental thing for alternatives to succeed is that they can't primarily exist as outlets for us to complain about reddit. Certainly there's going to be a lot of that given that reddit's actions sparked a partially-reluctant exodus, but the best revenge is living well and all that.
Most reddit topics were about Digg in the days following the Digg exodus. Over time, discussion shifts naturally.
The crunch will come after June 30th. We'll see how many people really ditch Reddit once third party apps stop working.
Do you think if the mobile Reddit apps stop working (the ones that are miles better than the official Reddit app), mobile users are going to flock to kbin/lemmy? Are there any good mobile apps? All the ones I could find are extremely alpha/beta quality.
Reading this right now from Jerboa. I like it so far. It's no RiF, but it's better than reddit's ugly app.
I'm on it too, feels like an alpha RIF, but it's clean looking, relatively stable, and easy to use
I'm not sure about lemmy since I'm primarily a kbin user, but the mobile website is already really good to begin with. I just use Hermit to make it even more "app-like" with features like full screen and frameless. I even did the same to the websites of some of my other apps.
It's still early days, and kbin and Lemmy are experiencing a massive influx of Reddit users.
I would compare it to Mastodon just after Elon Musk took over Twitter. Giant influx, and for a few weeks it was full of people talking about Twitter. But then they got that out of their system and started talking about other stuff, and now Twitter only comes up if Musk does something really, really, really stupid.
I expect Lemmy and kbin will follow a similar trajectory. There will be a period when it's all Reddit sucking all the time, but people will soon enough start using them to share news and links.
now Twitter only comes up if Musk does something really, really, really stupid.
So... any day that ends in 'y'?
Really really really stupid as judged by the "musk stupidity index," not just really really really stupid for a normal person.
I see a couple other comments about sign up issues and I'm having the same. Don't see anything in my spam folder, though. Both submit buttons on the sign up/login pages just spin endlessly the last couple days. name's same here as on midwest.social.
Like Brazil being a successor to Rome
Haha, i feel you compeletly. I really like it so far here. The UI is intuative and the community seems to be active!
yeah but its also quite buggy from my experience so far
Yes, it needs work. I'm trying to help out with app development for an ios app, doing my part!
x
Edit: See my reply below.
The app doesn't decide which community to post in; you do. When you pick a community for the post to go to, you might pick !news@beehaw.org, in which case it becomes hosted by the beehaw.org server. Or you might pick !news@lemmy.world, in which case it's hosted by the lemmy.world server. If you vote or comment on the post that's on beehaw.org, the vote/comment is hosted there as well, and likewise for lemmy.world.
Sorry for the confusing comment, it ended up in completely wrong post.
Did you mean to reply to something else? I don't see how this is relevant to OP
Yes! It's a bug. The post suddenly changes, while I'm writing a comment. I also deleted it immediately, but that didn't seem to federate properly. I resurrected and edited it, hoping that'll update for everyone. Original intended context: https://lemmy.world/post/129333
@Skelectus@imaqtpie Write it in notepad or some other note taking app then paste it and send. I would do that till all the bugs on lemmy are fixed
Can still copy it off the comment field if the system decides to swap posts. Just have to double check before pressing enter.
I think he just wants us to know that the most important point is neo is in the matrix
Lemmy and mastadon and the whole fedeverse are the future. We didn't have our eyes open cause we where stuck in the Reddit world for so long. I'm learning more and more everyday and i'm loving it. So easy and so many people :P People will make this place close to reddit as they can but long live lemmy
Regardless of the success (or failure) of the blackout what's important is to create an alternative platform to Reddit. The blackout doesn't have much legs because of the lack of alternative. Deep inside we all know that many will just go back to reddit once the blackout will end - it's why the importance of creating an alternative.
Keep boosting Lemmy.
Bleh, gatekeeping is trash
I mean the only people who are gatekeeping are those that prevent themselves from joining because they are unwilling to work out how the fediverse and by extension Lemmy work and how it's actually surprisingly easy to use, once you get used to it.
In other words people's fear of change is the true gatekeeper here.
Still annoying, but so long as we don't try to make it harder for these people to adapt than it already is, I think there should be no problems.
i think accessibility is why lemmy has such an "Old Internet" vibe to it. there are probably a lot of people here that joined reddit over a decade ago (my account turned 11 this year).
that and, there's no reason to tie your real identity to your account. i think about the difference between lemmy and mastodon (aside from mastodon being like twitter). i look at mastodon maybe a few times a month, but when i do look at it, i see people using their real identities and posting as if it's a piece of their professional career
Putting your real name and face on the internet has always been a mistake
Not necessarily.
Something like Facebook is still useful for keeping in touch with extended family and social circles. I may not particularly care about great uncle John, but it's nice to be aware that he's in the hospital after a bad fall without that information going through 5 rounds of the telephone game.
Somewhere like Reddit or the fediverse? I would never want my real identity associated with these accounts. It's nice to have some anonymity.
Facebook is a (mistake/evil plot)
Facebook in specific? Sure.
But the idea of platform meant for keeping in loose direct contact with your extended family and social group? That has merit.
i'm so glad we're off reddit so now we can say what we really feel about spez
Apollo was the only reason i used reddit...
I didn't even use third party apps, I just really don't like when companies try to enforce stuff in that way. I'd love for Lemmy to grow big, and it doesn't seem to have the same initial clunkiness and feeling of being lost that you'd have on Mastodon during the Twitter shenanigans. I'm hopeful.
Ditto. I used to use BaconReader a million years ago, but for the most part I just use my mobile browser if I'm on my phone. But them doing this to 3PA is a red flag, a big giant one, that either they're looking at Twitter and going "wow that's working great, definitely not a huge catastrophic trash fire" or at least going "that's a trash fire alright, but one I'm willing to live with if it means more money." Time to get out.
Same with Sync
Same with Relay
Same with RIF
Oh yes! Reddit is truly migrating in all it's forms! Including chain commenting.
Nature is healing.
Same with RedReader
Same with Boost.
Reddit is going to let RedReader still work. They need it for accessibility. Also the dev is thinking of letting you access lemmy with RedReader.
There. Fixed that for ya!
Yes, I saw that, but the disappearance of NSFW content for third party apps is still on tracks if I'm not mistaken.
Joey for me
The biggest benefit I see so far is the lack of bots. I know there are still some bots out there but most of them are useful bots and not just karma farming bots or bots designed for propaganda.
It reminds me of when I first found Reddit back in the day, and just how not user friendly it was. I'm looking at the blackout like a good thing - I've got a little bit of that "excitement" back from finding and exploring these new places.
I remember having to explain to people what subreddit where, once lemmy/kbin upgrade their UI enough it will be no more complicated.
Kbins build docs are a nightmare. I have experience with Linux and docker. Can’t get them to work at all. Closest I get are 500 errors and one can’t find a log tossing errors to explain it to save my life.
Maybe I’m not as well familiarized with the parts and pieces as I thought, though I’ve built plenty of Drupal stacks and the like, even using docker and Ansible etc.
Then I look at PRs showing sql injection fixes and XSS fixes and I’m like…oh
I have a buddy who once gave me props for being able to navigate reddit with ease as silly as that sounds. I can't even imagine showing him this...
For og reddit people. The toxic new wave can stay out.
This is truly a successor to Reddit but I think getting more people to migrate is crucial. Still not a lot of people have heard about this. We need to bring more people here.
Yeah, we've literally seen this forum migration happen many times in the short history of the internet. Reddit had some novel concepts in terms of evolving and democratizing the concept, and it was the best thing since sliced bread for a long time.
Federation is a reasonable evolution of the user-run, user-generated concept, which ultimately requires more freedom that a heavily monetized platform can ever deliver. I there will always be a distinction between internet media as a product, and internet media as a utility. The neat thing seems to be that the internet kind of always seems to evolve new versions of the latter when they are needed.
Weird Flex
There is some enormous potential opportunities on the horizon that we're well ahead of here. The real issue is, Reddit will have to join us on the fediverse or they will be history.
What we have to do as instances/admins/fedizens (whatever you want to call yourselves) is build the future we want. It will be quirky - but at some point that quirkyness is exactly what people want in the end.
I think so, true commitment for this community is what makes it more interesting.
Still Reddit has the perks of being the source for tons of Google searches and less experienced users which brings lots of interesting topics/solutions etc.
But being away of repost, ads, influencers and that kind of shit is reassuring not gonna lie lol.
I think the fundamental thing for alternatives to succeed is that they can't primarily exist as outlets for us to complain about reddit. Certainly there's going to be a lot of that given that reddit's actions sparked a partially-reluctant exodus, but the best revenge is living well and all that.
Most reddit topics were about Digg in the days following the Digg exodus. Over time, discussion shifts naturally.
The crunch will come after June 30th. We'll see how many people really ditch Reddit once third party apps stop working.
Do you think if the mobile Reddit apps stop working (the ones that are miles better than the official Reddit app), mobile users are going to flock to kbin/lemmy? Are there any good mobile apps? All the ones I could find are extremely alpha/beta quality.
Reading this right now from Jerboa. I like it so far. It's no RiF, but it's better than reddit's ugly app.
I'm on it too, feels like an alpha RIF, but it's clean looking, relatively stable, and easy to use
I'm not sure about lemmy since I'm primarily a kbin user, but the mobile website is already really good to begin with. I just use Hermit to make it even more "app-like" with features like full screen and frameless. I even did the same to the websites of some of my other apps.
It's still early days, and kbin and Lemmy are experiencing a massive influx of Reddit users.
I would compare it to Mastodon just after Elon Musk took over Twitter. Giant influx, and for a few weeks it was full of people talking about Twitter. But then they got that out of their system and started talking about other stuff, and now Twitter only comes up if Musk does something really, really, really stupid.
I expect Lemmy and kbin will follow a similar trajectory. There will be a period when it's all Reddit sucking all the time, but people will soon enough start using them to share news and links.
So... any day that ends in 'y'?
Really really really stupid as judged by the "musk stupidity index," not just really really really stupid for a normal person.
I see a couple other comments about sign up issues and I'm having the same. Don't see anything in my spam folder, though. Both submit buttons on the sign up/login pages just spin endlessly the last couple days. name's same here as on midwest.social.
Like Brazil being a successor to Rome
Haha, i feel you compeletly. I really like it so far here. The UI is intuative and the community seems to be active!
yeah but its also quite buggy from my experience so far
Yes, it needs work. I'm trying to help out with app development for an ios app, doing my part!
x
Edit: See my reply below.
The app doesn't decide which community to post in; you do. When you pick a community for the post to go to, you might pick !news@beehaw.org, in which case it becomes hosted by the beehaw.org server. Or you might pick !news@lemmy.world, in which case it's hosted by the lemmy.world server. If you vote or comment on the post that's on beehaw.org, the vote/comment is hosted there as well, and likewise for lemmy.world.
Perhaps the important point is that !news@beehaw.org and !news@lemmy.world are different communities, just like how neo@thematrix.com and neo@zion.org are different email addresses, even though they're both Neo.
Sorry for the confusing comment, it ended up in completely wrong post.
Did you mean to reply to something else? I don't see how this is relevant to OP
Yes! It's a bug. The post suddenly changes, while I'm writing a comment. I also deleted it immediately, but that didn't seem to federate properly. I resurrected and edited it, hoping that'll update for everyone. Original intended context: https://lemmy.world/post/129333
@Skelectus @imaqtpie Write it in notepad or some other note taking app then paste it and send. I would do that till all the bugs on lemmy are fixed
Can still copy it off the comment field if the system decides to swap posts. Just have to double check before pressing enter.
I think he just wants us to know that the most important point is neo is in the matrix
True.