Russia approves record spend for its military in new 2024 budget

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Russia approves record spend for its military in new 2024 budget
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Russia is depleting their Soviet inheritance rapidly in Ukraine. There is visual confirmation of over 13,000 Russian vehicles lost in Ukraine, including over 2,500 Russian tanks lost. They are unable able to replace this level of loss.

Unfortunately Russia has a long history of throwing bodies at a problem until it is solved. They lost almost 30 million people in WWII and I have no doubt Putin would throw as many as he could get away with at Ukraine as was needed.

He can solve it by withdrawing his forces.

He’s achieving two of his goals: genocide of Ukrainians and genocide of minorities of Russian federation.

Why would he withdraw?

Genocide has no meaning anymore. The war between Ukraine and Russia is pretty much as conventional as it can get, stop using the term genocide inflationary

shhh common sense is too advanced for them

Comrade, allow me to show you beautiful view from 16th floor balcony. Very beautiful, is to die for.

But first, a cup of tea. Be sure to drink all of it!

I don't think he could do 30 mil. His army is only about 3 million personnel including reservists per wikipedia, and AFU is claiming to have liquidated nearly 10% that many. Military theory is that an army loses all combat efficacy at around 30-40% casualties, and the rate of Russian casualties per day has gone up very significantly. After Russia spent all those lives in WWII, their demographics are still not what they used to be.

Despite the fact that they're paying troops so much to fight, it's not clear to me that they can sustain these losses indefinitely. What we're really seeing here is whether Putin's "military Keynesianism" can overcome Russia's demographic collapse. Experts are already saying Russia could not mount an invasion of this scale again for the foreseeable future.

I think they're going to end up as a failed state in the long run whether or not they succeed in Ukraine. The resistance would metastasize into an insurgency.

They had more soldiers than guns.

Folks went into the front lines knowing the plan was to pick up guns from their dead commrades.

I think it's important enough to note, there's no evidence showing this was the plan in any Soviet campaign in WW2. (But this is based off memory so there could be a single digit number of times)

In WW1? That would be accurate. Say what you will about Soviets but weapons were something they could produce and properly supply unlike the tsar.

In the Ukraine war though you are probably correct.

I'll admit my sources are unverifiable, while strong.

Stories from college professors. Guy was not a biased man, and was probably a fuggin mod on /r/askhistory; that type. 🤷‍♂️ Strong to me. No one listen to me. I'm drunk.

Edit: and my general history is not iron clad; could been WWI, but it seems a prevalent story beyond my eccentric old professor.

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I loved that you got two conscripts out of your barracks instead of one when playing as Russia in Command and Conquer.

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Oryx is unreliable. There are numerous images of "Russian tanks" that are verified to be Ukrainian and many more "Russian tanks" that pop up as destroyed multiple times.

This isn't that surprising since Russia and Ukraine use the same equipment (and considering the methodology Oryx uses), but it's very difficult to trust their numbers.

many more “Russian tanks” that pop up as destroyed multiple times

Every single one of Russia's 13,000 vehicle losses has a direct link to a picture or video. If you found a duplicate, please share it here.

Who can reply? Accounts @ArmchairW mentioned can reply

Seems suspect to limit replies.

many more “Russian tanks” that pop up as destroyed multiple times

So, no duplicates? Just a digital camera artifact (not even one we confirmed is on Oryx, just a twitter link) on one of the over 13,000 losses?

Do you have any examples of duplicates on Oryx as you claimed? And I would like to request you actually specify things on Oryx, not a picture on some other website.

You can read the entire Twitter thread if you want. There's tons of evidence there.

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Since the ruble was collapsed in value, are we sure this isn't inflation of existing current expenditures?

Their biggest problem is not the money but the people that have to build the tanks, if you kill many men in a war you will have less people that can produce goods especially in the steel industy where most of the people working there will be men that build the tanks for your war.

Emigration due to the war is about 10x of the Russian losses as reported by Ukraine

Where does he get the money for that raise? It's not exactly raining money in Russia.

This is the best summary I could come up with:


The Russian President has approved a record budget increase of around 30% for military spending in 2024, reaching 36.6 trillion rubles (€376.7 billion).

Vladimir Putin has officially endorsed a substantial increase in military spending, approving draft budget plans that allocate approximately 30% of fiscal expenditure to the armed forces in 2024.

This surge amounts to an almost 70% increase in defence spending compared to 2023, reflecting Russia's unwavering commitment to its war in Ukraine.

Independent journalists Farida Rustamova and Maksim Tovkaylo estimate that approximately 39% of all federal spending in 2024 will be directed towards defence and law enforcement.

The budget's passage comes against the backdrop of Russia's prolonged military operation in Ukraine, prompting Vyacheslav Volodin, chairman of the State Duma of the Russian Federation, to assert that the budget was specifically crafted to fund the military and counter the repercussions of international sanctions imposed since Russia's deployment of troops into Ukraine in February 2022.

This budget approval underscores Russia's steadfast commitment to its military pursuits, even as the international community closely monitors the developments in the ongoing conflict in Ukraine.


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Independent journalists Farida Rustamova and Maksim Tovkaylo estimate that approximately 39% of all federal spending in 2024 will be directed towards defence and law enforcement.

39% might be even higher percentage than Ukraine. Not sure if there's any other country that would spend larger portion of their budget on military.

Absolutely crazy to spend that on offensive war.

It is an offensive war, but a defensive decision.

If the house of cards collapses, all of these people are in deep shit.

record spend

Record spendING, you halfwits.

Spend is a countable noun, valid in many parts of the world and used by a swathe of financial institutions