I don't like Haley, and I will absolutely not be voting for her, but I don't subscribe to domestic terrorism as a tactic.
Unless it's directed at Donald Trump, because he would do no less to anyone, and I would bet good money the hoax callers are his sycophants.
I’m voting for her in a month in my state’s primary. She hasn’t earned my vote, but seeing how much it pisses off Trump is just too fucking good. She won’t win the nomination, but she can absorb his blows for a couple months and it extends the Republican in-fighting.
I would urge everyone to vote for her in your state’s primary. She’s not gonna win the primary, and even if she did, she won’t win a general election because all the Trumper’s are gonna write in Trump
Haley might win. It's conceivable, though unlikely, that the SC will follow the constitution and ban Donnie from office.
As someone pointed out in a different thread, she is the leading eligible Republican.
Beyond that, Trump is also fairly old too, it's not impossible for him to suffer a heart attack or something before the election, in which case the result would be similar of her winning the primary by default as the next most popular candidate. Maybe not likely, but again, possible
In a controlled experiment that is bound by the confines of logic, sure. She’s the leading eligible Republican. But in the real world where democracy in America is close to shattering, there’s no way she wins a general. All the prominent Republicans except for the ones who make their wealth off of free trade have endorsed Trump. Everyone in her home state has endorsed Trump. The governor, both senators, every congressman. They would likely flip their endorsements, but this is unprecedented. Trump wouldn’t accept the results. He would blame the RNC, and people like Ramaswamy and Kari Lake would echo his grievances. She won’t win the battleground states that way.
But in the real world where democracy in America is close to shattering, there’s no way she wins a general.
I think they were talking about winning the primary if Trump is disqualified.
She has very little chance of beating Biden if she wins the nomination, but I was writing about the nomination.
I’m actually switching sides in our state primary just to vote for her and not Trump. I’ll accept whoever is on the democratic side as I’ll vote for them in the general election so I want my vote to go to offset any going to Trump in the primary.
Getting her nominated would split the republican vote, guaranteeing a democrat victory.
AND guaranteeing the end of the MAGA/Freedom Caucus/Tea Party/Q Anon movement that has been fucking up US politics since Clinton was in office
Sadly, I don't think it'll really stop that group. They'll just find another person to rally behind.
domestic terrorism as a tactic
Imagine if we had Police who don't terrorize people based on a phone call directing them to what should be a well known address in their area.
It's absolutely amazing how Republicans can watch this kind of shit happen and still fall in line behind him.
You misunderstand them.
They want this to happen. It brings them joy.
To be fair it's not fair to judge someone on the acts of their supporters unless they endorse or encourage those acts. We have an ocean of things to hit Trump with, we don't need to artificially increase its size.
Where in the world did I say someone should be judged?
Are you suggesting that Trump hasn't explicitly endorsed violence?
Did you forget that his supporters tried to hang Mike Pence? This is a pattern, and eventually the one trying desperately not to see the pattern is the one going out on a limb.
You're taking something a Trump voter did and using that action to judge Trump. This is, in general, not something that I endorse unless the person being followed (Trump in this case) encourages the behavior. Although Trump has encouraged violence in the past, I'm not sure if he's extended that encouragement to Haley? I don't follow this that closely. I suppose it's valid to blame him for generally encouraging violent actions, though... one more immoral act for the pile!
You’re taking something a Trump voter did and using that action to judge Trump.
I'm not. I'm saying the Party should stop shoveling his shit, because he's shown time and time again that as soon as you turn against him, his minions will feel compelled to eliminate you.
This is, in general, not something that I endorse unless the person being followed (Trump in this case) encourages the behavior. Although Trump has encouraged violence in the past, I’m not sure if he’s extended that encouragement to Haley?
Um....WHAT?? So a mob boss gives orders for his crew to murder dozens of members of a rival family, but because he hasn't asked them specifically to murder the 25-year old nephew, we shouldn't make the connection to the boss when the nephew's body suddenly shows up in a canal?
You missed my point entirely. I'm not defending Rump. I'm saying we should use the things he's actually done-- like those you listed-- as our ammunition.
Which I just did. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt in Haley's circumstance, because in short order I'll be able to add "man arrested and charged for swatting Presidential candidate" to the list.
That's not what you did, but whatever. I'm not going to waste both of our time arguing about this.
The Republican Party should distance themselves from a man who clearly has a dangerous following and who has shown no scruples in encouraging them to embrace violence.
Anything else you're claiming I'm saying, or that you're finding between the lines, is a misrepresentation of what I'm actually writing in plain English.
Now that I agree with.
It's literally a paraphrase of the first comment I wrote in this thread.
Look we don't really need a devil's advocate for a guy that makes biblical Satan seem pretty chill. I get you like being contrarian but there's better places to put that energy than the flaming shit pile that is Trump and his rabid followers.
I'm not doing this to defend Trump, I'm doing it to ensure our side is bulletproof from any accusations of mischaracterization, as good practice. We have plenty of ammunition to use, and we should use it. We don't need to make any stretches to win.
I'm aware that they don't care. We should still care, because if we intend to stand for the truth then we should make good on that promise.
you claim to be allied with
Check my post history, I'm not pretending. I don't really care if I make people a little annoyed, because my goal is to ensure any arguments they make are consistent, which is basically guaranteed to make some people mad.
Are you proud of yourself?
I mean no not really, this thread was a disaster. My argument was poorly chosen and I don't think most people got the point even if it hadn't been. We did get a massive list of Trump's minions attacking people out of it at least, but that's not really on me.
Nah, they gotta be discouraging it harshly to not be to blame.
Literally anything less will always get read by these actors as at the most a covert endorsement made to look like a condemnation for "the mainstream media"
The old chicken and egg of politics.
Do politicians represent their constituency? Or is it the other way around? Hmmmmmmm.
I can't wait to see what happens to the first idiot that tries to swat 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the general. They're going to find out really quick how efficient the NSA is at monitoring communications.
Someone already tried it. I have intimate knowledge of DCs various communications networks and can tell you that the FBI is watching you whoever you are.
Watching? Like, with popcorn? Let's do something...
You never know. They may be looking for contacts, larger charges, etc.
You dodged the question, is there popcorn or no‽
TELL US IF THEY MICROWAVE OR STOVE POP IT YOU JACK BOOTED STATE THUG!!!!!
Doesn't Swatting endanger peoples lives and waste resources? This is criminal. Hope they find and punish who did it.
Also. The right and MAGA don't like you. In their eyes you are not really one of them because of racism.
And misogyny, don’t forget the misogyny!
It should be an automatic attempted murder charge, even if SWAT realizes it's bogus beforehand. If someone dies as a result, 1st degree murder.
A serial swatter was just convicted and sentenced in Washington, I think.
He swatted hundreds of people, got 4 years.
The system can't admit that police are dangerous, so it can't treat swatting as the act of terrorism it is.
I don't like Haley, and I will absolutely not be voting for her, but I don't subscribe to domestic terrorism as a tactic.
Unless it's directed at Donald Trump, because he would do no less to anyone, and I would bet good money the hoax callers are his sycophants.
I’m voting for her in a month in my state’s primary. She hasn’t earned my vote, but seeing how much it pisses off Trump is just too fucking good. She won’t win the nomination, but she can absorb his blows for a couple months and it extends the Republican in-fighting.
I would urge everyone to vote for her in your state’s primary. She’s not gonna win the primary, and even if she did, she won’t win a general election because all the Trumper’s are gonna write in Trump
Haley might win. It's conceivable, though unlikely, that the SC will follow the constitution and ban Donnie from office.
As someone pointed out in a different thread, she is the leading eligible Republican.
Beyond that, Trump is also fairly old too, it's not impossible for him to suffer a heart attack or something before the election, in which case the result would be similar of her winning the primary by default as the next most popular candidate. Maybe not likely, but again, possible
In a controlled experiment that is bound by the confines of logic, sure. She’s the leading eligible Republican. But in the real world where democracy in America is close to shattering, there’s no way she wins a general. All the prominent Republicans except for the ones who make their wealth off of free trade have endorsed Trump. Everyone in her home state has endorsed Trump. The governor, both senators, every congressman. They would likely flip their endorsements, but this is unprecedented. Trump wouldn’t accept the results. He would blame the RNC, and people like Ramaswamy and Kari Lake would echo his grievances. She won’t win the battleground states that way.
I think they were talking about winning the primary if Trump is disqualified.
She has very little chance of beating Biden if she wins the nomination, but I was writing about the nomination.
I’m actually switching sides in our state primary just to vote for her and not Trump. I’ll accept whoever is on the democratic side as I’ll vote for them in the general election so I want my vote to go to offset any going to Trump in the primary.
Getting her nominated would split the republican vote, guaranteeing a democrat victory.
AND guaranteeing the end of the MAGA/Freedom Caucus/Tea Party/Q Anon movement that has been fucking up US politics since Clinton was in office
Sadly, I don't think it'll really stop that group. They'll just find another person to rally behind.
Imagine if we had Police who don't terrorize people based on a phone call directing them to what should be a well known address in their area.
It's absolutely amazing how Republicans can watch this kind of shit happen and still fall in line behind him.
You misunderstand them.
They want this to happen. It brings them joy.
To be fair it's not fair to judge someone on the acts of their supporters unless they endorse or encourage those acts. We have an ocean of things to hit Trump with, we don't need to artificially increase its size.
Where in the world did I say someone should be judged?
Are you suggesting that Trump hasn't explicitly endorsed violence?
Did you forget that his supporters tried to hang Mike Pence? This is a pattern, and eventually the one trying desperately not to see the pattern is the one going out on a limb.
You're taking something a Trump voter did and using that action to judge Trump. This is, in general, not something that I endorse unless the person being followed (Trump in this case) encourages the behavior. Although Trump has encouraged violence in the past, I'm not sure if he's extended that encouragement to Haley? I don't follow this that closely. I suppose it's valid to blame him for generally encouraging violent actions, though... one more immoral act for the pile!
I'm not. I'm saying the Party should stop shoveling his shit, because he's shown time and time again that as soon as you turn against him, his minions will feel compelled to eliminate you.
Like this Senator, members of Congress and law enforcement, these journalists, Bernie Sanders and Kamala Harris, Mike Pence, this Congresswoman, this other Congresswoman, the first Congresswoman again and also Obama, one more Congresswoman, members of Congress from California, Michigan, and New Jersey, a college professor, multiple members of Congress, this Congressman, a Senator and that same Congressman, GOP election officials, this Congresswoman, this Congressman, this District Attorney, these judges, this other District Attorney, this other judge, this other judge, and so on ad nauseum...
Trump literally said, "IF YOU GO AFTER ME, I'M COMING AFTER YOU!"
In June of 2023, Trump shared what he claimed to be Barack Obama’s home address on Truth Social. Hours later, a man armed with two guns and 400 rounds of ammo was arrested while seeking out ways to breach Obama’s private residence.
What more evidence do you need?
Um....WHAT?? So a mob boss gives orders for his crew to murder dozens of members of a rival family, but because he hasn't asked them specifically to murder the 25-year old nephew, we shouldn't make the connection to the boss when the nephew's body suddenly shows up in a canal?
You missed my point entirely. I'm not defending Rump. I'm saying we should use the things he's actually done-- like those you listed-- as our ammunition.
Which I just did. He doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt in Haley's circumstance, because in short order I'll be able to add "man arrested and charged for swatting Presidential candidate" to the list.
That's not what you did, but whatever. I'm not going to waste both of our time arguing about this.
The Republican Party should distance themselves from a man who clearly has a dangerous following and who has shown no scruples in encouraging them to embrace violence.
Anything else you're claiming I'm saying, or that you're finding between the lines, is a misrepresentation of what I'm actually writing in plain English.
Now that I agree with.
It's literally a paraphrase of the first comment I wrote in this thread.
Look we don't really need a devil's advocate for a guy that makes biblical Satan seem pretty chill. I get you like being contrarian but there's better places to put that energy than the flaming shit pile that is Trump and his rabid followers.
I'm not doing this to defend Trump, I'm doing it to ensure our side is bulletproof from any accusations of mischaracterization, as good practice. We have plenty of ammunition to use, and we should use it. We don't need to make any stretches to win.
They don't fucking care how bulletproof our arguments are. In this thread, you have accomplished nothing but to piss off everybody you claim to be allied with. Are you proud of yourself?
I'm aware that they don't care. We should still care, because if we intend to stand for the truth then we should make good on that promise.
Check my post history, I'm not pretending. I don't really care if I make people a little annoyed, because my goal is to ensure any arguments they make are consistent, which is basically guaranteed to make some people mad.
I mean no not really, this thread was a disaster. My argument was poorly chosen and I don't think most people got the point even if it hadn't been. We did get a massive list of Trump's minions attacking people out of it at least, but that's not really on me.
Nah, they gotta be discouraging it harshly to not be to blame.
Literally anything less will always get read by these actors as at the most a covert endorsement made to look like a condemnation for "the mainstream media"
The old chicken and egg of politics.
Do politicians represent their constituency? Or is it the other way around? Hmmmmmmm.
I can't wait to see what happens to the first idiot that tries to swat 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in the general. They're going to find out really quick how efficient the NSA is at monitoring communications.
Someone already tried it. I have intimate knowledge of DCs various communications networks and can tell you that the FBI is watching you whoever you are.
Watching? Like, with popcorn? Let's do something...
You never know. They may be looking for contacts, larger charges, etc.
You dodged the question, is there popcorn or no‽
TELL US IF THEY MICROWAVE OR STOVE POP IT YOU JACK BOOTED STATE THUG!!!!!
Popcorn is banned since the Havana incident. But yes, let’s get crazy, fellow dissident. jaja
The MAGA crowd is terrified of her. Good.