Fallout 3 had a better atmosphere than vegas IMO. The ruins of the city, subways tunnels to travel, the absoulte warzone that was anywhere infested by the mutants. It really built up a world that was hostile and ruined. I wish FO3 had the same level of faction depth as FONV.
The oppressing feeling Fallout 3's tunnels had was so great, you felt like everything could pop at your head at any moments.
I was so scared the first few times I traveled them, and I really like how some tunnels you had to travel at least once to access other parts of the map.
I'd say they're equal, but also two very different feelings.
FO3 feels so much like a world reclaiming itself. You have a scant few major settlements, most things are still pretty ramshackle, everything feels shoved together. There's an air of violent change, and you're one of the hands helping to guide it down this new path.
New Vegas felt lived in. Settlements felt more established, you had The Strip as this beacon in the night, and you had outsiders shoving in on top of them. Yes, still striking the feel of "violent change", but it felt less "Bring order to chaos" and more "The King is dead. Long live the King".
New Vegas feels far more like Fallout, and nailed the tone, though.
3 has more oppressive atmospheres, but the actual writing, story, and world building of New Vegas is a perfect evolution of 1 and 2.
Don't forget about Fallout 1+2. They're about as janky as Planescape: Torment, but still great games.
Don't forget [two perfect masterpieces]. They're about as janky as [another perfect masterpiece].
I... guess I agree?
I just played through 1 and 2 and they are far from perfect but they are damn good games
I remember losing Fallout 2 because one of the stat boosting items got lost from my inventory so I spent a month trying to track it down instead of saving my village.
For anyone thinking about playing New Vegas again, check out Viva New Vegas! Fixes the gunplay, bugs, lighting, crashes, balance, and adds new important features like expanded consequences for your actions, cut content, a post-game where you can see the consequences of your choices, and better visuals!
Crazy that everybody had serious bug issues with FNV except me(i had more bug issues with fallout 4 than FNV)
Even if you didn't notice them, they're there! For example, the iron sights are almost all misaligned, but this mod pack fixes that.
I've heard it's mostly due to either low strength, weapon skill or in the case of the Hunting Rifle and Survivalist's Rifle, faults in the model itself.
That's how weapon sway usually works, alongside innate weapon spread, but there are legitimately misaligned iron sights at 0 spread and perfect stats, unintentionally from the devs. Other fun bugs include increased aim shaking when further from the center of the worldspace, micro stutters, an inability to play beyond 60FPS without destroying physics, weapon lighting assuming light sources are not where they actually are, and more!
All of these are fixed, and result in a New Vegas as you remember it, not as it actually exists. Absolutely worth playing with VNV.
I wish I didn't notice them, but a lot of my play sessions end with the game hardlocked and having to kill it in task manager. Still doesn't stop me from playing it regularly tho.
Also has more interesting companions to 3/4. Obsidian are great at writing queer characters.
I agree
To bad that even years after the release it was so bugged that i couldn't play it through.
If you're good with modding, just use NVAC and some other popular bug fix mods, then it'll run better than any other fallout game. People love this game and have been fixing it for years.
That guide explains how to install. It includes the most important stability and QoL mods for modern systems, and brings the features of new Vegas (like aim down sights or hardcore mode) to fallout 3.
You can choose to play through fallout 3, and then through the story have that character become the new vegas courier, or start right in new Vegas like a standard save and travel to the capital wasteland if you’d like.
The Wasteland Survival Guide expands on TBoT and balances the games far better, adds in need content, tons more bug fixes, and generally improves on the games.
This is great, if you're on Linux you can just use Mod Organizer 2 as well. It's pretty intuitive once you understand what the UI elements mean and it's very stable. Just don't update it because it only supports one version currently ha.
do NOT use NVAC it'll make the game crash more nowadays use new vegas tick fix
Damn I gotta update my mod list then!
Except for some crashs i found the reason, i never had serious bugs
Did you mod your game? Modded should have no crashes anymore.
Only 4gb patcher
That fixes the vast majority of crashes, but you also need other mods to manage memory, as it's bugged in Vanilla.
I prefer 4 and 3 to NV ngl
Fallout 3 i can understand but Fallout 4 god no. Every great things in FNV were removed in Fallout 4
I have some opinions about 4, but nothing like the vitriol you feel towards it lol. Could I get an example of some things they removed in your opinion?
My complaints mostly boil down to how mediocre the story, world, and characters are. But I can't think of anything they removed necessarily, just poorly implemented
They removed traits, a proper SPECIAL system, skills, proper skill checks, the reputation system, etc.
The complete oversimplification/destruction of dialogue trees still makes no sense to me.
You forgot weapons/outfits durability
Fallout 4 is good, but not as good as Fallout 3 and FNV
Why?
I love the atmosphere in 3, it was my introduction to Fallout. And with 4 I have just so much fun with the world, the characters and modding it.
That's fair, have you played around with modding New Vegas? The mod scene is incredible lately.
I have no Intention of modding NV tbh
Why not?
I think that's fairly common to be more in love with the first thing you tried. IME, I had played Fallout 1 and 2 as they released. Was exited for 3 when it came out, and while I thought it was a great game, it didn't feel like Fallout. New Vegas feels like the Fallout I know. 4 even feels like a good representation, though not as deep.
But I might feel as you do if I first played 3. Then all the other Fallout games would feel weird. lol
FO3 has better world design but story-wise I prefer NV.
Fallout 3 had a better atmosphere than vegas IMO. The ruins of the city, subways tunnels to travel, the absoulte warzone that was anywhere infested by the mutants. It really built up a world that was hostile and ruined. I wish FO3 had the same level of faction depth as FONV.
The oppressing feeling Fallout 3's tunnels had was so great, you felt like everything could pop at your head at any moments.
I was so scared the first few times I traveled them, and I really like how some tunnels you had to travel at least once to access other parts of the map.
I'd say they're equal, but also two very different feelings.
FO3 feels so much like a world reclaiming itself. You have a scant few major settlements, most things are still pretty ramshackle, everything feels shoved together. There's an air of violent change, and you're one of the hands helping to guide it down this new path.
New Vegas felt lived in. Settlements felt more established, you had The Strip as this beacon in the night, and you had outsiders shoving in on top of them. Yes, still striking the feel of "violent change", but it felt less "Bring order to chaos" and more "The King is dead. Long live the King".
New Vegas feels far more like Fallout, and nailed the tone, though.
3 has more oppressive atmospheres, but the actual writing, story, and world building of New Vegas is a perfect evolution of 1 and 2.
Don't forget about Fallout 1+2. They're about as janky as Planescape: Torment, but still great games.
I... guess I agree?
I just played through 1 and 2 and they are far from perfect but they are damn good games
I remember losing Fallout 2 because one of the stat boosting items got lost from my inventory so I spent a month trying to track it down instead of saving my village.
Fuck them kids anyways.
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For anyone thinking about playing New Vegas again, check out Viva New Vegas! Fixes the gunplay, bugs, lighting, crashes, balance, and adds new important features like expanded consequences for your actions, cut content, a post-game where you can see the consequences of your choices, and better visuals!
Crazy that everybody had serious bug issues with FNV except me(i had more bug issues with fallout 4 than FNV)
Even if you didn't notice them, they're there! For example, the iron sights are almost all misaligned, but this mod pack fixes that.
I've heard it's mostly due to either low strength, weapon skill or in the case of the Hunting Rifle and Survivalist's Rifle, faults in the model itself.
That's how weapon sway usually works, alongside innate weapon spread, but there are legitimately misaligned iron sights at 0 spread and perfect stats, unintentionally from the devs. Other fun bugs include increased aim shaking when further from the center of the worldspace, micro stutters, an inability to play beyond 60FPS without destroying physics, weapon lighting assuming light sources are not where they actually are, and more!
All of these are fixed, and result in a New Vegas as you remember it, not as it actually exists. Absolutely worth playing with VNV.
I wish I didn't notice them, but a lot of my play sessions end with the game hardlocked and having to kill it in task manager. Still doesn't stop me from playing it regularly tho.
Also has more interesting companions to 3/4. Obsidian are great at writing queer characters.
I agree
To bad that even years after the release it was so bugged that i couldn't play it through.
If you're good with modding, just use NVAC and some other popular bug fix mods, then it'll run better than any other fallout game. People love this game and have been fixing it for years.
Nowadays IMO the best way to play is to install
https://taleoftwowastelands.com/faq
https://thebestoftimes.moddinglinked.com/
That guide explains how to install. It includes the most important stability and QoL mods for modern systems, and brings the features of new Vegas (like aim down sights or hardcore mode) to fallout 3.
You can choose to play through fallout 3, and then through the story have that character become the new vegas courier, or start right in new Vegas like a standard save and travel to the capital wasteland if you’d like.
The Wasteland Survival Guide expands on TBoT and balances the games far better, adds in need content, tons more bug fixes, and generally improves on the games.
This is great, if you're on Linux you can just use Mod Organizer 2 as well. It's pretty intuitive once you understand what the UI elements mean and it's very stable. Just don't update it because it only supports one version currently ha.
do NOT use NVAC it'll make the game crash more nowadays use new vegas tick fix
Damn I gotta update my mod list then!
Except for some crashs i found the reason, i never had serious bugs
Did you mod your game? Modded should have no crashes anymore.
Only 4gb patcher
That fixes the vast majority of crashes, but you also need other mods to manage memory, as it's bugged in Vanilla.
I prefer 4 and 3 to NV ngl
Fallout 3 i can understand but Fallout 4 god no. Every great things in FNV were removed in Fallout 4
I have some opinions about 4, but nothing like the vitriol you feel towards it lol. Could I get an example of some things they removed in your opinion?
My complaints mostly boil down to how mediocre the story, world, and characters are. But I can't think of anything they removed necessarily, just poorly implemented
They removed traits, a proper SPECIAL system, skills, proper skill checks, the reputation system, etc.
The complete oversimplification/destruction of dialogue trees still makes no sense to me.
You forgot weapons/outfits durability
Fallout 4 is good, but not as good as Fallout 3 and FNV
Why?
I love the atmosphere in 3, it was my introduction to Fallout. And with 4 I have just so much fun with the world, the characters and modding it.
That's fair, have you played around with modding New Vegas? The mod scene is incredible lately.
I have no Intention of modding NV tbh
Why not?
I think that's fairly common to be more in love with the first thing you tried. IME, I had played Fallout 1 and 2 as they released. Was exited for 3 when it came out, and while I thought it was a great game, it didn't feel like Fallout. New Vegas feels like the Fallout I know. 4 even feels like a good representation, though not as deep.
But I might feel as you do if I first played 3. Then all the other Fallout games would feel weird. lol
FO3 has better world design but story-wise I prefer NV.
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