Senior IDF officer censured over demolition of Gaza university without approval

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timesofisrael.com

Footage widely shared on social media showed a massive blast at Israa University, prompting US President Joe Biden’s administration to ask Israel for clarification.

The IDF, in response to a query, said the demolition of Israa University on January 17 and the approval process of the controlled explosion was “thoroughly investigated” by the head of the Southern Command, Maj. Gen. Yaron Finkelman, and presented to Chief of Staff Lt. Gen. Herzi Halevi.

According to Army Radio, Hiram claimed that his troops felt in danger due to intelligence that Hamas had a network of tunnels under the university, and feared that its operatives could ambush them.

Unrelated controversy currently surrounds Hiram over his order to fire a tank shell at a home in the southern community of Be’eri amid a hostage situation during Hamas’s October 7 onslaught, possibly killing some of the captives.

Before the war, Hiram was tapped to be the next commander of the Gaza Division, a move that appears to currently be on hold amid the war and the controversy.

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Video of the university being blown up, a clearly very controlled explosion where the IDF easily walked into rooms and placed explosives. Not something people would do when "endangered by Hamas tunnels".

Here's an article with a video of an AP journalist grilling the US state dept on this 1 month ago

Gonna need to split out the links for the video and article at the end. You've put two links and at least Jerboa just doesn't do anything when you click the link.
For the lazy:

https://youtu.be/pyEO7IutgxE

https://www.mediaite.com/news/you-have-nothing-to-say-ap-reporter-grills-state-department-spox-on-israels-flattening-of-gaza-university/

Whoops thanks for the correction. I initially placed the video but later found the full article which was more fitting. I did not edit my comment correctly.

Are the “Hamas tunnels” in the room with us right now?

I fire a rocket at my bed each night to make sure there are no Hamas tunnels hiding underneath. I don't check it first, I just know they're there.

Israel has no idea how much they have destroyed their credibility for an entire generation.

I used to read articles about Middle East issues and think that things I was reading in Al Jazeera or similar publications were a little biased. For the most part I used to think that Israel was at least being a good faith actor in their decision making.

Now, I literally do not trust anything that is published in Israel; nor anything that the Israeli government claims is true or said has happened.

If Israeli Times or IdF or Israeli government said that the sky was blue, I would literally go outside to double check, because obviously something weird is going on and the sky is no longer blue.

I also have learned to meet the things Biden says with skepticism. Until Biden takes concrete action to punish Israel or stop the genocide, he will not have my vote. Nor millions of votes from other democrats and Americans whose families are affected by this genocide. A whole generation of young people have had the curtains pulled back. Thank goodness.

Israel and the United States have been lying this whole time. Forcing an apartheid occupation for half a century.

Al Jazeera has long been the best source for news on anything happening in the Middle East (aside from Qatar since that is who funds them). Thr sad truth if the matter is that Israel has been ethnically cleansing Palestine for the past 70 years and Western media has finally decided they can't whitewash it anymore.

Now, I literally do not trust anything that is published in Israel;

It's pretty stark how much the press in pretty much every Western country has been carrying water for Israel and Ukraine as well.

I’m not going to discuss Ukraine in this context. The two are not the same.

Hmm suit yourself.

It's a funny example of Gell-Mann amnesia at play I suppose.

Just waiting for that Russian military with low morale and hollowed out by corruption to bring us that imminent victory in Ukraine we've been promised any day now for the past two years. Keep believing in victory citizen, it's right around the corner!

Nah. I just disagree with the tactics being used in North Sudan as well as the gangs in Haiti.

what the heck are you blabbering about this is a post about IDF and Israel and you keep going on about Ukraine.

Make a post about comparing Ukraine and Gaza, I don’t care. But arguing with me about Ukraine here doesn’t make any sense.

I guess my original point was just agreeing with you on your main point. I figured I was supporting your position by pointing out the media dishonesty extended farther than just Israeli publications. The Ukraine point was a throwaway of another example I thought was fairly straightforward, but whatever, it's cool, we don't need to continue this conversation.

Cool. Thanks for fucking over trans people in the United States with your non-vote of moral superiority. We'll go ahead and reap those consequences for you. At least the other guy will do right by Gaza I'm sure since that is the priority here.

Biden is doing just as much to protect trans people as he is gazans I'm not sure what your point is there tbh

Just as an FYI, russia likes to give its hacking groups cutesy bear names, like "cozy" bear and "fancy" bear.

OPs name is likely a coincidence, but it could also be some russian enjoying themselves in the open. Dont take everything you read on social media at face value.

Heck yea dude, I’m a dang bad azz hacker.

I do it for the lulz

But fyi, if you think I really am a Russian hacker.:.. you literally don’t know what the heck you are talking about and you are spouting nonsense

Dancing bear is porn

Woah now, I’m a Grateful Dead dancing bear lol

What is dancing bear porno I’m afraid to look it up

Woah now, I’m a Grateful Dead dancing bear lol

Apologies! Not a lot of deadheads in the wild these days!

What is dancing bear porno I’m afraid to look it up

Dude wearing a bear head dancing around a fake bachelorette party doing porn things

See, now we have really gotten to the bottom of the web of deceit.

Yeah lol, vote for the Orange Man. The GOP has such a strong track record of caring about brown people.

Or maybe take your Republican't psyop drivel somewhere else you shill.

So you are saying that there is no difference between Biden and Trump on Gaza. So if it is something you care about then there is no point in voting for either.

Criticism of Biden is not an endorsement of Trump.

No.

I am saying if Biden doesn’t change his policy by taking direct action neither, I, nor millions of other Americans, will vote for him.

However that makes you feel. I don’t care. Unless Biden changes his policy with actions, he will lose the election.

I agree. The person i replied to seems to think that any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump. The only people who seem to want "mild" conservative policy are Democrats. No conservative voters are going to vote for a center-right (by American standards) Democrat over a Republican. Democrats need to offer an actual alternative, nit just toned down Republican talking points.

The person i replied to seems to think that any criticism of Biden is an endorsement of Trump.

Biden should absolutely be criticised for the Palestine genocide and other things as needed. But that's not what you did. You said you'd not vote for him which effectively supports Trump. If Trump had shown any indication that he'd handle this (or any important) issue any better, then sure, that could make sense. But this is just cutting everyone's nose off to spite your face.

It’s what has worked for bidens whole career though to be honest

Has it? He was a senator for Decades because DuPont backed him, and he was Obama's VP pick because he was from Pennsylvania originally. He ate absolute shit every time he ran in the Democratic presidental primary until 2020 where he coasted on Trump being the worst president in 100 years and his popularity as Obama's VP.

I just mean (for bidens whole career) the democrats saying you have to vote for us because the other side is ten times worse.

It’s just that in this case the same old rhetoric shows the absolute disaster this idea is…. Vote for Biden because genocide is better than super sized genocide that Trump would bring

Also I am fairly certain Biden is from Delaware not Pennsylvania and Delaware is known for having awesome corporate sponsors, but that’s without me looking it up

So what you're saying is that the current situation in Gaza shouldn't change who you vote for in November?

I'm saying that Biden is going to need to do something about the situation if he wants to win. People don't owe him their vote

This is how Trump won last time. I know you can't help yourself but please, just try to say nothing at all because this arrogant drivel is exactly why the Dems have trouble turning out their vote.

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"Hey bro, chill. We gotta make it look like we're at least trying to pretend it's legit."

Hiram claimed that his troops felt in danger due to intelligence that Hamas had a network of tunnels under the university

You're fucking soldiers in a fucking war zone. You're always in danger, there is no way to be safe in a war. If you think that the enemy is upon you, you change your position—do you even tactic, wimps? Did you learn anything in your basic training, maggots? Fucking cowards, go back home and play counterstrike if you want to feel safe.

Yeah but what if instead you could just engage in monstrous "total war" and kill everyone around you, including men, women and children while destroying everything of any cultural, economic or social value to make way for a future land grab?

Pretty spiffy way not to get shot at as long as your a-ok with genocide.

What do they think will happen if they destroy all infrastructure and institutions, the only result will be a more violent, more numerous, and more effective resistance. Either they see it as an acceptable price for this orgy of violence, they are to stupid to realize this, or their plans are a lot darker than what we are currently seeing.

They love it when people fight back. Especially because America keeps sending them more bombs when that happens. They can "self defense" all over the place.

Biden Administration aSkiNg fOr cLaRifiCaTioN at the same time as spending literally billions of dollars on more bombs for Israel to drop.

He'll probably have a street named after him in his honor and probably on the land where that university used to be, after israel steals that land too.

Thus is the army, son! We do not commit war crimes here! Not without direct orders! Do you get me, maggot?