I just finished setting up Linux Mint for an old buddy of mine on his old dog of a laptop, rendering it useful once again!
Edit 2: to everyone suggesting an SDD: i know. Look, if this guy had enough $$$ for an SSD, he could buy a used lappy less than half the age of this one that has an ssd and 2-3x the memory.
Currently, my buddy has a budget of $0, and, if he ever has money to spend, it will be on a newer computer, not upgrading this one. Thx!
My buddy’s old laptop was useless running Windows 7. I wiped it, put on Linux Mint (MATE), and it’s humming along just fine.
Edit: I really love helping people out like this. This guy is in his late 60s and has no other computer. He told me he hasn’t been able to use it in years (I believe it!), so I told him I could wipe it and make it usable again. He was thrilled!
After trying LM Cinnamon, I found it was a bit too much for this machine (Core 2 Duo “Penryn” @ 2.3GHz, 2.77GB Memory, Intel Series 4 Integrated Graphics). I reinstalled with LM MATE, and found it more responsive. I did the standard secondary installation of all the goodies like multimedia codecs, TTF support, battery tweaks, etc. I set up snapshots and the firewall, and installed UBlock Origin in Firefox. I updated everything. Shockingly, the battery still gets about 90-120 minutes, which blows my mind. The damn thing is 18 years old!
So, it’s still slow to launch stuff, as it’s running off of a slow HDD, but it manages to run most things just fine. It’s certainly far more responsive than Win7, and it enables my buddy to enjoy safe, secure, and modern web browsing (which is pretty much all he uses it for).
Helped a guy and reduced landfill waste, all in one move. Time well spent.
no landfills here in Florida, they just burn the e-waste and pump the fumes into the local orphanariums, selling it as “Vytameens™".
I got a laptop with an HDD a while back because I'm an idiot "more storage space hurr durr!"
It took 10-15 minutes to boot and another 5-10 just to open a web browser when it was running Windows 10. Even once stuff was open, everything was so laggy that it wasn't really usable. I'd miss a solid chunk of whatever we were supposed to be doing on our laptops in class when I was using it for that.
Linux changed EVERYTHING. It boots in just a couple of minutes and only needs a minute or two to settle itself before things start running smoothly. I even managed to play Hollow Knight on it with no lag!
People don't realize how bloated Windows is until they try Linux. If your computer is slow and was made in the last 10 years, no it isn't, your OS is.
A little trick you can do if your friend experiences too much memory limitations when browsing the web is to use the 32 bit version of firefox. I use it in a machine with only 2gb, and it helped a lot.
Interesting. I’ll consider that.
I've been putting together a lot of old laptops for friends and family, so here's my opinion based on my experience:
Your CPU speed is ok (that CPU scores 932 passmark points, which is ok for dekstop usage and youtube at 360p (you should set up his youtube at 360p, and to not autoplay). If this was Chrome, that cpu could do 480p, but firefox is much slower than chrome on youtube. The difference in speed is not visible on fast systems, but it is visible on very old ones (anything less than 1500 passmark points).
Your biggest problem is the RAM. You have only 2.77 GB of RAM, which is NOT enough for normal web browsing in this day and age -- if you're using lots of tabs. The moment you will open more than 2-3 tabs with heavy websites (e.g. facebook, nytimes, and linkedin), you will start swapping like crazy with Cinnamon. So your user will always have to be conscious of what apps they have open (and make sure you configure 4 GB of swap too, just in case).
Mate and XFCE should be using less RAM, indeed (about 600-800 MB instead of 1.3 GB on Cinnamon). I find XFCE more stable personally, and it only uses 100 MB more RAM than Mate on average. The only good thing Mate has over XFCE is that it comes with a user administrative gui app. I usually install that on xfce ("mate-user-admin").
Recently did something similar and yeah it seems Mint, specially LMDE in my case, is a great fit for such cases. It's on that sweet spot between being too bare and too bloated.
You'd have a bigger impact by putting a modern SSD in there, even if SATA.
AkTuALly:
In this particular instance, due to the microscopic amount of memory in the machine (even for the day, when 4GB was considered “minimum”, this lappy has… 2.77GB?), more memory would probably impact performance just as much as an SSD.
But, yeah, and SSD would increase app launch performance and other HDD-centric tasks a great deal. But more memory would allow more apps to cache in active memory and quick-launch after first-launch. This might be a better and more cost-effective “first upgrade” before going SSD.
Also, this dude is in no position to spend money on this machine, so I’m doing what I can to make the most of what he has.
I’m guessing it has 3GB of ram and 256MB is being eaten due to being shared video memory.
Oh! That’s it!
The reporting was just weird. Ok, thanks for that!
Fun fact: The machine might even have more RAM. I also had an laptop with a Core 2 Duo. The mainboard supported up to 4GB of RAM. However, the BIOS only supported 3GB (for whatever reason). Around 200MB are used for the iGPU. That left me with 2.8GB of RAM out of 4GB.
Just playing devils advocate but a faster drive would allow better page caching even with the low ram which is probably already happening on that terribly slow HDD.
Sufficient memory = very little/no paging
And it would be cheaper (for this vintage of ram)
You’re not wrong, but it’s a matter of priorities: the memory is the biggest problem with this machine and it can’t be made up for with any other resource, except, sometimes, swap/paging. But more memory is the answer to that issue, not an SSD, and more memory would solve a lot of other performance issues that only more memory can solve.
But, of course, an SSD would bring many of its own benefits (including, yes, faster paging/swap). These, however, are far less likely to benefit this particular user, especially considering that they’re more expensive.
Any reason MATE over Xcfe? Just curious if the performance is close or MATE is better at things, not trying to question your decisions. I have a >9 year old PC at this point and installed Cinnamon on it but was finding it a bit laggy. I tried out the other editions but am sticking with LMDE for now, but sort of feel like I don't really need nice animations, I just need more CPU for faster compile times, haha
XFCE is so ugly and clunky, I wouldn’t ever suggest that a Linux novice ever use it. It’s fucking horrific. It’s a user interface you choose when you have no other choice and are just that desperate. Suffice to say, I wasn’t that desperate.
It was important that this user have an interface that he could navigate easily, an XFCE was not that interface, nor will it ever be.
Edit. I should note that this may be colored with some personal bias I have against XFCE. I just don’t like it and only use it when forced to. So, ya know, keep that in mind…
Then what about LXQT?
I read “Then what about LGBT?” for a sec and tried imagining what a DE with RGB lighting would look like
It would look fucking amazing.
Definitely bias against XFCE.
EndeavourOS switched their default desktop from XFCE to KDE and I think it looks worse. They switched for toolkit reasons, not UX. The XFCE desktop look is heavily themed, very modern, and I think quite beautiful ( though a little purple for some tastes ).
I have another XFCE box that is practically pixel for pixel themed to look like Windows XP. This is just novelty value of course. Even if you do not like XP, it is hard to argue that it was a UI that normal people hated.
I agree that the “default” XFCE look is not great.
Here is the EOS XFCE desktop: https://github.com/endeavouros-team/endeavouros-xfce4-theming
Here are a few more themes including clones of both macOS and Windows 10: https://itsfoss.com/best-xfce-themes/
Warms my crusty heard seeing tech saved from a landfill. Good job
We’re in Florida, so no landfill— they’d just burn it and pump the exhaust into local orphanages, sold as “Vytameenz™”
If hardware/budget allow it, you might want to throw in a cheap SSD and some more RAM. Something like 50€ could greatly improve usability.
For 50[currencyunits], he could buy a new(er) laptop that’s less that half the age of this one, lmao
Where are you from? Even used pcs around here are somewhat expensive
I can find 120 GB used SSD for 5€)
This is so cool and wholesome, thank you.
Switch out the swap file for zram
Silly question but what do ya'll use to get that fancy summary?
Fastfetch has replaced neofetch!
But there are alternatives, namely the wonderfully queer hyfetch!
thanks!
Stop trying to make Fetch happen...
Archey is dead. Move on
screenfetch?
Can it run Warframe though
Jk, well done
Such a great project. Bringing joy to a friend and reduce e-waste at the same time. Love it. Would give away the SSD from my old Core 2 Duo based laptop (which got replaced by a used Gen4 i7 laptop from my company when they sold the devices to employees for very little money. Now they are giving them to schools for free, which is great). Sending it around half the planet is neither free nor sustainable, though. Would be cheaper to buy a new one. But maybe you find someone to help out. For me, an SSD was a great improvement for that old machine. As stated in another comment, upgrading RAM did not work in that particular case.
This was basically my first laptop. Thanks for this reminder
Did the spacebar crap out on you? Of so, how did you deal with it?
Fortunately, I did not have that happen before it met the wrath of 8oz of ice cold water
Cute. what breed is this dog?
Toshiba satellite C655
We have a crazy old laptop that we used to watch movies on when I was a child. That now also runs Linux Mint really well.
I think a slim Fedora KDE would also be very fine, as Cinnamon is really quite painful to use. But they have a really nice set of user friendly minimal apps.
Nothing I would recommend to people switching from other OSes though, as its just too minimal and especially Nemo is awful. Like, no link support??
Question for you guys.
How do you know which version to install relative to the hardware? Is it just trial and error?
I have some 13 year old Macs but I’m not sure which distro and version to go with and I’m not keen on spending days figuring it out.
I recall reading another post from some guy who went through like six installs with various problems. Didn’t seem encouraging.
Tell me the specific model of the Mac, and I will give you a specific recommendation for the hardware
Thanks, that’s very kind of you to offer.
I’ve got quite a few older machines. I’m pretty keen to figure out the top four, at least.
Any advice on the following and/or on the method of identifying viable distros and versions in general is very appreciated.
Ok, so, for the 2008-2010 machines, depending on the memory available, you can try Linux Mint, EndeavorOS, or, maaaaaybe (on the ones with dGPUs and more memory), Pop!_OS.
For everything post-2010, Pop!_OS. Maybe Endeavor OS of you happen to like it, but I think Pop!_OS has really done a lot of work to become the new, de facto “where to start with Linux” distro after Ubuntu got enshittified (Linux Mint for older machines)— especially because popOS has a custom-spun NVidia version that is one of the few out-of-the-box distros that “just works” with NVidia cards.
Edit: after some tinkering, you may pick LM over Endeavor for the older ones, or just Endeavor for all. I’ve never used it, so I don’t know how well it will do on older hardware, but LM is great for that.
popOS, on the other hand, is great for hardware that can run it (and a lot can), so check that out. It’s my favorite, and a daily driver in my server and another machine I have, both older Macs.
This is great! Thank you so much for giving me some direction here.
I’m going to give this a whirl on one of the units and see how it goes.
Does he know how to use Linux?
He certainly didn’t know how to use a windows 7 computer for the 18 years he had that installed as the operating system.
Now he has a computer that he can use confidently and securely in a modern way.
And he’s very happy. I called that a win.
That's awesome! Good for him. You're a good friend.
He apologized profusely for putting me out so much for all the work I put into it. I just told him: some guys like to work on old cars as a hobby to unwind. And some people like to work on old computers.
The benefit is that, with old computers, I can take your old computer into my garage, fix it up, and then hand it back to you without feeling any obligation about doing it for free.
It’s not a fucking car.
I set up a linux laptop for my three year old. He plays Putt-Putt, Commander Keen, and Wolfenstein 3D. You're never too old to get into computing!
You’re never too Young to learn to fucking kill Nazis
Replace that HDD or your buddy will soon wake up to grub rescue 😌