I don't like Apple but they ship their devices with everything a basic user needs and if a high quality, completely for free. When you get a MacBook you don't need to worry about finding and downloading an external app for almost anything - from viewing any kind of file, to basic photo and video editing, to document processing, etc. And they don't track every minute thing you do and act like malware to try to make you use their products.
It's definitely not for free. You can buy several Windows laptops and Office licenses for a single Mac laptop.
While that's true, most windows laptops of similar build quality and form factor are around the same price. Windows also advertises to you and installs unwanted apps on your computer without modifications. Of course, you could always install Linux.
Of course if you install Linux on most big brand machines you'll have problems with drivers etc, so it's not as easy a solution as one would hope.
That's nowhere near as true as it once was. Most of your big well-supoorted distros run flawlessly on most big brand machines.
Where you'll run into problems is in using more obscure distros that require a lot of tweaking and customization, but something like Ubuntu should run beautifully out of the box and if it does have a problem it will be very well-known and heavily documented with easy to follow step by step instructions on fixing it. Linux just isn't the pain in the ass it used to be. Or at least it doesn't have to be.
Big brands like Lenovo, Dell, Intel work with Ubuntu pretty fine, there are compatibility tests for distros. I blind installed openSuse (after running Ubuntu beside W11) on my Lenovo Yoga from 2020 without issue aside from fingerprint scanner. All my NUCs have been great on Linux.
None that offer similar quality across the board in display, speakers, input devices, performance, battery life. Trust me I've looked. Alternative laptops aren't really any cheaper any more unless you get something of significantly lesser quality, in which case there's nothing surprising about that - something worse is cheaper.
Isn’t apple consistently removing ports on their newer products? I thought that was a common complaint.
It’s genuinely been ages since i’ve heard anyone try to defend the pricing of apple products for anything other than luxury purchases or rich people products. They’re vastly overpriced and underpowered, and they’re locked into the apple ecosystem. If you aren’t buying apple products for everything, suddenly a lot of shit doesn’t “just work” anymore lmao
quality
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"oh yeah the quality, baby"
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That could be so, but that doesn't mean you're not also paying for the software with Apple.
" And they don't track every minute thing you do and act like malware to try to make you use their products."
LOL ok
Except that businesses always find a way to lock themselves (and you) with Office, so regardless of all the chimes and stuff that come standard with your Mac you will still have to install Word because some exec somewhere might want to make some comments in your document in the form of highlighted, inline text instead of actual side comments.
When you get a MacBook you don't need to worry about finding and downloading an external app for almost anything
I don't think that's really a fair complaint against Windows when Microsoft got sued for doing exactly that.
All well and good, but that still does not make a Macbook value for money.
And they don’t track every minute thing you do
You sure about that? I just bought my mom a new iPad Air yesterday and the setup process was maddeningly privacy invading. Name, address, and phone number just to install anything from the Apple store. Both me and my mom, who's not tech savvy at all, thought it was crazy the amount of info we had to put in just to get a usable device.
and act like malware to try to make you use their products.
There was also so many preloaded garbage apps installed by default. Why are apps like Measure there? Yes when I want to measure something...I reach for an iPad...instead of...you know...a tape measure... Just because they're first party apps doesn't make this okay. Also, Apple's ecosystem is famous for vendor lock-in.
They may not be as blatant about it as Google is, but they're every bit as bad tbh.
Lol overpriced locked down PoS os
eh I use Linux on my desktop but macOS is a nicely polished UNIX operating system. It's only locked down for average users, you can usually get away with a quick sudo or worst-case going into single user mode and disabling some system protections.
I definitely prefer using *nix operating systems, and macOS gives me that for portable computing. I'm still more productive on Linux, but it's not too far apart.
This is how I feel too. Rather a locked-down polished UNIX system than Windows.
This is tru, however MacOS is still a lesser version of linux with a fancy skin. You have to get third party apps to support ntfs formatted drives.
MacOS has nothing to do with Linux, it's a bsd variant.
What's the MacBook equivalent of MS Paint? Open it, paste from clipboard, and then do a simple crop/edit? I was looking to do this the other day and nothing seemed to work.
I don't think Macs are as batteries included as some people think.
You can do that in Preview.
That’s preview. And preview is wayyyyy better than Paint.
Gotta disagree. MS Paint is so blisteringly straightforward for how to use it. Google pointed me towards Preview but there was no menu option to create a new image from the clipboard contents. And then for editing, there was no easy to use tooltray that gives you everything you need right from the start. You could crop and such by going to through menu but you could feel the app hating you for trying to use it that way.
I don't like Apple but they ship their devices with everything a basic user needs and if a high quality, completely for free. When you get a MacBook you don't need to worry about finding and downloading an external app for almost anything - from viewing any kind of file, to basic photo and video editing, to document processing, etc. And they don't track every minute thing you do and act like malware to try to make you use their products.
It's definitely not for free. You can buy several Windows laptops and Office licenses for a single Mac laptop.
While that's true, most windows laptops of similar build quality and form factor are around the same price. Windows also advertises to you and installs unwanted apps on your computer without modifications. Of course, you could always install Linux.
Of course if you install Linux on most big brand machines you'll have problems with drivers etc, so it's not as easy a solution as one would hope.
That's nowhere near as true as it once was. Most of your big well-supoorted distros run flawlessly on most big brand machines.
Where you'll run into problems is in using more obscure distros that require a lot of tweaking and customization, but something like Ubuntu should run beautifully out of the box and if it does have a problem it will be very well-known and heavily documented with easy to follow step by step instructions on fixing it. Linux just isn't the pain in the ass it used to be. Or at least it doesn't have to be.
Big brands like Lenovo, Dell, Intel work with Ubuntu pretty fine, there are compatibility tests for distros. I blind installed openSuse (after running Ubuntu beside W11) on my Lenovo Yoga from 2020 without issue aside from fingerprint scanner. All my NUCs have been great on Linux.
None that offer similar quality across the board in display, speakers, input devices, performance, battery life. Trust me I've looked. Alternative laptops aren't really any cheaper any more unless you get something of significantly lesser quality, in which case there's nothing surprising about that - something worse is cheaper.
Isn’t apple consistently removing ports on their newer products? I thought that was a common complaint.
It’s genuinely been ages since i’ve heard anyone try to defend the pricing of apple products for anything other than luxury purchases or rich people products. They’re vastly overpriced and underpowered, and they’re locked into the apple ecosystem. If you aren’t buying apple products for everything, suddenly a lot of shit doesn’t “just work” anymore lmao
Sniffs steve Job's farts
"oh yeah the quality, baby"
moans in Mac user
That could be so, but that doesn't mean you're not also paying for the software with Apple.
Except for a calculator on iPads.
Indeed
" And they don't track every minute thing you do and act like malware to try to make you use their products."
LOL ok
Except that businesses always find a way to lock themselves (and you) with Office, so regardless of all the chimes and stuff that come standard with your Mac you will still have to install Word because some exec somewhere might want to make some comments in your document in the form of highlighted, inline text instead of actual side comments.
I don't think that's really a fair complaint against Windows when Microsoft got sued for doing exactly that.
All well and good, but that still does not make a Macbook value for money.
You sure about that? I just bought my mom a new iPad Air yesterday and the setup process was maddeningly privacy invading. Name, address, and phone number just to install anything from the Apple store. Both me and my mom, who's not tech savvy at all, thought it was crazy the amount of info we had to put in just to get a usable device.
There was also so many preloaded garbage apps installed by default. Why are apps like Measure there? Yes when I want to measure something...I reach for an iPad...instead of...you know...a tape measure... Just because they're first party apps doesn't make this okay. Also, Apple's ecosystem is famous for vendor lock-in.
They may not be as blatant about it as Google is, but they're every bit as bad tbh.
Lol overpriced locked down PoS os
eh I use Linux on my desktop but macOS is a nicely polished UNIX operating system. It's only locked down for average users, you can usually get away with a quick
sudoor worst-case going into single user mode and disabling some system protections.I definitely prefer using *nix operating systems, and macOS gives me that for portable computing. I'm still more productive on Linux, but it's not too far apart.
This is how I feel too. Rather a locked-down polished UNIX system than Windows.
This is tru, however MacOS is still a lesser version of linux with a fancy skin. You have to get third party apps to support ntfs formatted drives.
MacOS has nothing to do with Linux, it's a bsd variant.
What's the MacBook equivalent of MS Paint? Open it, paste from clipboard, and then do a simple crop/edit? I was looking to do this the other day and nothing seemed to work.
I don't think Macs are as batteries included as some people think.
You can do that in Preview.
That’s preview. And preview is wayyyyy better than Paint.
Gotta disagree. MS Paint is so blisteringly straightforward for how to use it. Google pointed me towards Preview but there was no menu option to create a new image from the clipboard contents. And then for editing, there was no easy to use tooltray that gives you everything you need right from the start. You could crop and such by going to through menu but you could feel the app hating you for trying to use it that way.