Hang on... That's sabotage. Straight up. That's a criminal offence no?
Yes. Assisting putler's genocide against Ukrainian children is a war crime.
Yep, but he's rich. I fully expect nothing to happen.
Yeah. According to the article, he straight up told the top military brass of the Biden administration right afterwards and they did nothing. No prosecution, no whistle-blowing to the press about a war crime. Nothing.
What do you suggest they do?
Prosecute him, of course! Maybe hit him with sanctions for directly supporting the Russian war effort? Because that's what stopping an attack on their fleet is.
Prosecute him for what?
Are you dense?
Krolden is asking specifically what crime he should be charged with, implying you would struggle to find one. This certainly isn’t treason against the US because the US is not legally involved in the war. It’s unclear from their post whether they support Ukraine or Russia in the conflict so I’d suggest taking it at face value.
Why can't you answer the question?
They already said, sabotage. I'm not going to pretend I know the law but sabotaging a military to which we are actively providing aid is likely frowned upon. Prosecution may not be a possibility though, but I imagine this is giving regulators ammo for later.
I wasn't asking you. And that still doesn't answer my question.
How does that not answer the question sabotage is literally a federal crime and it doesn't exclusively apply to the US military.
He cut off internet to a group that thought they had it while they were depending on it for an operation they already started, if that's not sabotage I don't know what is.
For what countries laws? He's not a Ukrainian citizen
So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?
So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?
Two points.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Second, not sure where you got the "sabotage the US" part from:
the request came from Ukraine
from the beginning, Musk has been sabotaging Russia by disabling Starlink outside of Ukrainian borders, this was supported by both Ukraine and the US
the Ukrainian request was for removing part of the sabotage so Ukraine could attack Russia with Ukrainian drones
it wasn't a US request, it didn't involve any US assets, or any US operations
Maybe Ukraine should have asked the US, instead of asking a private non-Ukrainian citizen.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you’re neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Yup, and the US charges non-citzens that are not on their soil all the time. If they can't get the extradition there's nothing they can do about it unless the person sets foot on US soil, but that doesn't stop it from being a criminal offence or from the person being charged.
Second, not sure where you got the “sabotage the US” part from
It was an analogy. The person I was replying to seemed to be saying "It can't be a criminal offence because Musk isn't Ukranian" which is nonsense. I assumed they where likely American and used an example of something closer to home to show why that is incorrect.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
No, this is demonstrably false in many areas of law.
For example OFAC explicitly targets non US persons and organizations in sanctions enforcement. It is explicitly written into nearly every presidential order authorizing sanctions. I'd be happy to direct you to a few if you like, but you can just pick any from here: https://ofac.treasury.gov
Hang on... That's sabotage. Straight up. That's a criminal offence no?
Yes. Assisting putler's genocide against Ukrainian children is a war crime.
Yep, but he's rich. I fully expect nothing to happen.
Yeah. According to the article, he straight up told the top military brass of the Biden administration right afterwards and they did nothing. No prosecution, no whistle-blowing to the press about a war crime. Nothing.
What do you suggest they do?
Prosecute him, of course! Maybe hit him with sanctions for directly supporting the Russian war effort? Because that's what stopping an attack on their fleet is.
Prosecute him for what?
Are you dense?
Krolden is asking specifically what crime he should be charged with, implying you would struggle to find one. This certainly isn’t treason against the US because the US is not legally involved in the war. It’s unclear from their post whether they support Ukraine or Russia in the conflict so I’d suggest taking it at face value.
Why can't you answer the question?
They already said, sabotage. I'm not going to pretend I know the law but sabotaging a military to which we are actively providing aid is likely frowned upon. Prosecution may not be a possibility though, but I imagine this is giving regulators ammo for later.
I wasn't asking you. And that still doesn't answer my question.
How does that not answer the question sabotage is literally a federal crime and it doesn't exclusively apply to the US military.
He cut off internet to a group that thought they had it while they were depending on it for an operation they already started, if that's not sabotage I don't know what is.
Show me the law he broke
Check his party affiliation
What
For what countries laws? He's not a Ukrainian citizen
So if you're not an American you're free to sabotage the US as much as you want and it's not a crime?
Two points.
First, US laws apply on US soil, or to US citizens. If you're neither, then cooperation and extradition agreements apply, if there are any.
Second, not sure where you got the "sabotage the US" part from:
Maybe Ukraine should have asked the US, instead of asking a private non-Ukrainian citizen.
Yup, and the US charges non-citzens that are not on their soil all the time. If they can't get the extradition there's nothing they can do about it unless the person sets foot on US soil, but that doesn't stop it from being a criminal offence or from the person being charged.
It was an analogy. The person I was replying to seemed to be saying "It can't be a criminal offence because Musk isn't Ukranian" which is nonsense. I assumed they where likely American and used an example of something closer to home to show why that is incorrect.
No, this is demonstrably false in many areas of law.
For example OFAC explicitly targets non US persons and organizations in sanctions enforcement. It is explicitly written into nearly every presidential order authorizing sanctions. I'd be happy to direct you to a few if you like, but you can just pick any from here: https://ofac.treasury.gov
Yeah but it's not called treason, treason is to your own country, ofc this is still an illegal offense in Ukraine but I don't think it's treason?
The parent comments are talking about sabotage. You added the word treason.
I think he replied to the wrong comment.