Just thought I'd get that one out of the way early.
I love Firefox, but we need more variety in browsers and Chromium is just making it worse! There has to be a way to make building browsers simpler without everyone ending up relying on the product that was designed to ruin the free internet.
Yeah, the biggest problem with Firefox is that its engine is so hard to embed. Chrome has endless clones because it's just so damn easy to embed. And Firefox just has some weak forks like Librewolf.
I'd really rather see Mozilla focus on this rather than all their other stupid endeavors....
Wish this got upvoted more tbh. The devs of Pulse Browser are trying to make an environment where making a Firefox fork would be easier, but it's not like Chromium where the engine could be easily embedded. I've also heard Second Life had to move to Chromium for their embedded browser after using Gecko and having problems with it.
What we actually need is more variety in rendering engines. There were never that many, and two or three (Presto, Trident, and Spartan if you count it) have been killed off within the past ten years. All that's left are two lineages: Google's Blink and its barely-threre parent WebKit (in Apple's Safari), and Mozilla's Gecko and its barely-there child Goanna (in Pale Moon).
Unfortunately, the rendering engine is probably the largest single chunk of code in a browser, and writing a new one (or even forking an existing one) is non-trivial.
Servo still exists, it is under the Linux Foundation umbrella now after Mozilla abandoned it. Just got some funding in January.
Sure, they just need to fix their annoying bugs on Android.
Everytime I leave a tab open and switch to another app, it's a 50/50 whether I return to a black screen and am forced to restart it or it just works fine.
Yup that's been a long running issue with Firefox on android. Thought it was just me at first then saw forums where tons of people have the issue and the only suggestion is to reinstall it
Hmm, I don't remember seeing that. What version of android?
Android 13. Looking in the other replies, it seems pretty wide spread.
take a look at ice Raven the few devices I've ran it on never gave me that issue
I thought it was a problem with my phone since I'm using a custom ROM and it did not happen before.
When I open Firefox and it has been in the background for a while, it shows a black screen where the web content should be and often crashes if you try to open another tab or do something else. Also happens if I open a link from another app. The only solution is to close Firefox and swipe it off the recent apps and reopen it.
Is this the same problem you have?
Yep, I have it on my Poco F5 with MIUI and a friend that has a Galaxy S23 with stock OS also has the same issue.
I never had an issue with Firefox. Sounds like it's specific to your friend's settings not model.
A lot of people are saying they suffer the same and me and my friend have completely different devices with different Android flavours.
I have never had an issue either. We're all just tiny anecdotes in a sea of users. I mean, people that don't have issues won't generally post about it on forums, so of course people will generally only see others posting about similar issues unless they are some magical unique unicorn.
Possibly, though for now, they've worked with the ad blocker devs and kept everything working WITH v3 in FireFox. Google will not do it in Chrome because defeating the ad blockees is the point.
Last I heard, Firefox is making carve outs for some of the APIs that Mv3 is supposed to deprecate.
Firefox fans spamming F5 for any thread that they can comment "Firefox" on
Geez you guys can't take a joke.
God beware someone posting the solution to the problem. ¯\(ツ)/¯
The thing is — not trying to sound snarky about this — do you honestly believe there is someone on the fediverse that hasn't heard of Firefox before.
Never heard? No.
Hasn't switched over yet? Certainly.
What makes you believe excessive comment spam will make them switch?
Probably the same reason you made these comments despite knowing that the odds of you convincing them of your position is indistinguishable from zero.
I believe there are people here who still haven't switched, and this post about a problem and the obvious solution could convince them.
Do they already know the argument? Sure. It's a pretty simple one.
The post can, yeah. The predictability with which all posts or comments containing the word "Google" will have several responses underneath evangelizing Firefox almost certainly will not, after it exceeds a point it very clearly routinely exceeds.
Not because you guys are wrong, (you're not), but because you're annoying, which is almost as bad. There is something in psychology called reactance theory, and it's the reason why, when you're just about to do the dishes and then someone else tells you to do them, it's suddenly the last thing on earth you want to do.
It is a choice so small it isn't worth arguing over, but it's no longer your choice born out of your own free will, and now you feel cheated and resentful and you are not doing it, both out of spite and more truthfully to regain your sense of choice.
This is the same reason everyone hates vegans so much. They're not wrong. They're annoying. Firefox has vegan PR.
I held off listening to Hamilton for three years for no other reason than nobody else I met would shut the goddamn fuck up about Hamilton. Same with the TV version of Good Omens, whatever stupid cartoon jester thing has been in a third of the memes lately, and a hundred other things.
I am very likely to switch over to Firefox myself in the ever-nearing future. That ice is breaking. But it will not be because a bunch of strangers whined at me over my own choices for over a decade. It will be because the cons of whatever Google, Windows, etc. have done finally outweigh the pros of not having to exert effort to maintain my experience.
It bears consideration that in the meantime, Firefox users have a tendency not to even read the several duplicate comments before they start jacking off into them, not uncommonly in a way that's loudly judgemental towards their own target audience.
The resultant spam cements a mental association between Firefox, the brand and the feeling of being annoyed and insulted. Don't be those vegans. If I had to think, be like the art community treats Adobe. Fuck Adobe, but I'm not just gonna overload someone with aggressive pompousity who's only using the industry default.
Google Chrome fans spamming F5 on the news page to see what features are being removed next.
What makes you think I'm a Google Chrome fan?
Nothing, just having a bit of fun. Not as punchy as your original comment though.
We don't have to. There's an ad on for it.
I didn't want you to think I down voted because I disagreed with you. You're quite right. I down voted you because it was a dumb joke.
Yeah, that's a fair point.
I use LibreFox, btw
I think the main issue is the people here suggesting and evangelising Firefox not really listening to those who aren't, which frustrates the other person. I think I fell into this with the fediverse, in the early days of Elon fucking up Twitter. There are perfectly valid reasons to not use Firefox right now. Maybe one browser or other works better for them, or has that one killer feature they can't live without. Firefox has that for some of us, too. Or Firefox has some weird quirk or bug that other browsers don't.
I personally use Firefox and Vivaldi. Vivaldi has tab tiling which is great for when I'm in the zone adding music to MusicBrainz or RYM, and it's not too clunky either. Tile Tabs WE doesn't cut it for me. For casual browsing, vertical tabs is nice and I use Firefox + Sidebery for that, which is better than Vivaldi's vertical tab implementation.
I think the main issue is the people here suggesting and evangelising Firefox not really listening to those who aren’t
That's exactly it. A few months ago I saw a conversation on Lemmy where someone was listing the features they were missing in Firefox, and someone literally replied "There is no way you need any of this shit".
And even when they say tab hibernation does exist, they're calling OP a dumbass. If I did that to my friends who want to try Linux, they'd be back on Windows in a heartbeat.
I've also been shouted at here for telling a user asking about Vivaldi that the culture here does not like Chromium-based browsers like it and they likely won't get their answer here. It's like they wanted me to shut up and not criticise their behaviour.
Firefox.
Just thought I'd get that one out of the way early.
I love Firefox, but we need more variety in browsers and Chromium is just making it worse! There has to be a way to make building browsers simpler without everyone ending up relying on the product that was designed to ruin the free internet.
Yeah, the biggest problem with Firefox is that its engine is so hard to embed. Chrome has endless clones because it's just so damn easy to embed. And Firefox just has some weak forks like Librewolf.
I'd really rather see Mozilla focus on this rather than all their other stupid endeavors....
Wish this got upvoted more tbh. The devs of Pulse Browser are trying to make an environment where making a Firefox fork would be easier, but it's not like Chromium where the engine could be easily embedded. I've also heard Second Life had to move to Chromium for their embedded browser after using Gecko and having problems with it.
I find Floorp to be a really great fork
What we actually need is more variety in rendering engines. There were never that many, and two or three (Presto, Trident, and Spartan if you count it) have been killed off within the past ten years. All that's left are two lineages: Google's Blink and its barely-threre parent WebKit (in Apple's Safari), and Mozilla's Gecko and its barely-there child Goanna (in Pale Moon).
Unfortunately, the rendering engine is probably the largest single chunk of code in a browser, and writing a new one (or even forking an existing one) is non-trivial.
Servo still exists, it is under the Linux Foundation umbrella now after Mozilla abandoned it. Just got some funding in January.
Sure, they just need to fix their annoying bugs on Android.
Everytime I leave a tab open and switch to another app, it's a 50/50 whether I return to a black screen and am forced to restart it or it just works fine.
Yup that's been a long running issue with Firefox on android. Thought it was just me at first then saw forums where tons of people have the issue and the only suggestion is to reinstall it
Hmm, I don't remember seeing that. What version of android?
Android 13. Looking in the other replies, it seems pretty wide spread.
take a look at ice Raven the few devices I've ran it on never gave me that issue
I thought it was a problem with my phone since I'm using a custom ROM and it did not happen before. When I open Firefox and it has been in the background for a while, it shows a black screen where the web content should be and often crashes if you try to open another tab or do something else. Also happens if I open a link from another app. The only solution is to close Firefox and swipe it off the recent apps and reopen it. Is this the same problem you have?
Yep, I have it on my Poco F5 with MIUI and a friend that has a Galaxy S23 with stock OS also has the same issue.
I never had an issue with Firefox. Sounds like it's specific to your friend's settings not model.
A lot of people are saying they suffer the same and me and my friend have completely different devices with different Android flavours.
It doesn't seem to be what you are saying.
I have never had an issue either. We're all just tiny anecdotes in a sea of users. I mean, people that don't have issues won't generally post about it on forums, so of course people will generally only see others posting about similar issues unless they are some magical unique unicorn.
Another thing I managed to miss out on :(
I had to uninstall since it was draining my battery. On one day it was 40% of my battery usage with just 1 minute on time actually open.
Actually I'm sure most of us are just baffled that people will make extremely shitty choices just because others do
Or the LibreWolf fork 😁
Since Firefox is also implementing Manifest v3, will this also eventually be an issue in Firefox?
https://extensionworkshop.com/documentation/develop/manifest-v3-migration-guide/
Possibly, though for now, they've worked with the ad blocker devs and kept everything working WITH v3 in FireFox. Google will not do it in Chrome because defeating the ad blockees is the point.
Last I heard, Firefox is making carve outs for some of the APIs that Mv3 is supposed to deprecate.
Firefox fans spamming F5 for any thread that they can comment "Firefox" on
Geez you guys can't take a joke.
God beware someone posting the solution to the problem. ¯\(ツ)/¯
The thing is — not trying to sound snarky about this — do you honestly believe there is someone on the fediverse that hasn't heard of Firefox before.
Never heard? No.
Hasn't switched over yet? Certainly.
What makes you believe excessive comment spam will make them switch?
Probably the same reason you made these comments despite knowing that the odds of you convincing them of your position is indistinguishable from zero.
What do you think is my position?
I believe there are people here who still haven't switched, and this post about a problem and the obvious solution could convince them.
Do they already know the argument? Sure. It's a pretty simple one.
The post can, yeah. The predictability with which all posts or comments containing the word "Google" will have several responses underneath evangelizing Firefox almost certainly will not, after it exceeds a point it very clearly routinely exceeds.
Not because you guys are wrong, (you're not), but because you're annoying, which is almost as bad. There is something in psychology called reactance theory, and it's the reason why, when you're just about to do the dishes and then someone else tells you to do them, it's suddenly the last thing on earth you want to do.
It is a choice so small it isn't worth arguing over, but it's no longer your choice born out of your own free will, and now you feel cheated and resentful and you are not doing it, both out of spite and more truthfully to regain your sense of choice.
This is the same reason everyone hates vegans so much. They're not wrong. They're annoying. Firefox has vegan PR.
I held off listening to Hamilton for three years for no other reason than nobody else I met would shut the goddamn fuck up about Hamilton. Same with the TV version of Good Omens, whatever stupid cartoon jester thing has been in a third of the memes lately, and a hundred other things.
I am very likely to switch over to Firefox myself in the ever-nearing future. That ice is breaking. But it will not be because a bunch of strangers whined at me over my own choices for over a decade. It will be because the cons of whatever Google, Windows, etc. have done finally outweigh the pros of not having to exert effort to maintain my experience.
It bears consideration that in the meantime, Firefox users have a tendency not to even read the several duplicate comments before they start jacking off into them, not uncommonly in a way that's loudly judgemental towards their own target audience.
The resultant spam cements a mental association between Firefox, the brand and the feeling of being annoyed and insulted. Don't be those vegans. If I had to think, be like the art community treats Adobe. Fuck Adobe, but I'm not just gonna overload someone with aggressive pompousity who's only using the industry default.
Google Chrome fans spamming F5 on the news page to see what features are being removed next.
What makes you think I'm a Google Chrome fan?
Nothing, just having a bit of fun. Not as punchy as your original comment though.
We don't have to. There's an ad on for it.
I didn't want you to think I down voted because I disagreed with you. You're quite right. I down voted you because it was a dumb joke.
Yeah, that's a fair point.
I use LibreFox, btw
I think the main issue is the people here suggesting and evangelising Firefox not really listening to those who aren't, which frustrates the other person. I think I fell into this with the fediverse, in the early days of Elon fucking up Twitter. There are perfectly valid reasons to not use Firefox right now. Maybe one browser or other works better for them, or has that one killer feature they can't live without. Firefox has that for some of us, too. Or Firefox has some weird quirk or bug that other browsers don't.
I personally use Firefox and Vivaldi. Vivaldi has tab tiling which is great for when I'm in the zone adding music to MusicBrainz or RYM, and it's not too clunky either. Tile Tabs WE doesn't cut it for me. For casual browsing, vertical tabs is nice and I use Firefox + Sidebery for that, which is better than Vivaldi's vertical tab implementation.
That's exactly it. A few months ago I saw a conversation on Lemmy where someone was listing the features they were missing in Firefox, and someone literally replied "There is no way you need any of this shit".
And even when they say tab hibernation does exist, they're calling OP a dumbass. If I did that to my friends who want to try Linux, they'd be back on Windows in a heartbeat.
I've also been shouted at here for telling a user asking about Vivaldi that the culture here does not like Chromium-based browsers like it and they likely won't get their answer here. It's like they wanted me to shut up and not criticise their behaviour.