Get Used to It: Biden Isn’t Going Anywhere
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Democrats have all the spontaneity of the House of Windsor. Or, closer to home, they’re closer to what Republicans once were, a party that falls in line not in love.
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Part of me just wants trump to win just so the groups looking to 'punish' Biden for not doing their will will have a blast under another 4 years of trump. You vote with your head for the good of the country as a whole, not with your emotions for the whims of your clan.
Personally, I think the potential of schadenfreude is not a good reason to want Trump to win the election.
But then I don't want my queer daughter sent to a "conversion therapy" camp.
If Democrats care about your daughter, they would have run a better candidate.
As you acknowledge, the stakes are incredibly high, so why would we run the only person polling poorly against Donald Trump? I hate to tell you, but they don't give a damn about your daughter.
Oh, okay, I guess I should be fine when Trump's goons march her into a camp then because the Democrats didn't run a better candidate. My mistake.
Right, direct that anger towards the real problem here. The Democratic Party, who sat by while it happens.
No I'm pretty sure I'm going to blame the fascist for being a fascist
Its in their nature. We cant throw our hands up and let them get away with it. I blame the adults in the room for letting the child run rough shod
So I shouldn't be angry at Trump and his people for doing it?
Is this like being angry at Chamberlain for allowing Hitler to start WWII and ignoring the fact that Hitler started WWII.
There is absolutely a historical case to be made that appeasement was a fatal error leading to the rise of Nazi Germany.
We cant blame snakes for being snakes. What we need is some snake wranglers. We've had 4 years to prevent Trump and did nothing.
We get what we deserve
Considering we might literally lose our country to fascism, no it wasn't good enough.
The stakes are simply too high for failure, any amount, period.
It feels like nobody is taking this seriously. You have the last poster and the very same breath talking about the death camps coming for their daughter, and even they don't seem to be taking it seriously.
It's all about to crumble down and we're not asking for what needs to be done to fix it.
For God's sake, I remember progressives accurately complaining about merrick garland when he was appointed telling Biden it was a very bad appointment.
There's a historical case to be made that Hitler is blameless? Really?
Way to not at all read what I said.
Me: "This Is like being angry at Chamberlain for allowing Hitler to start WWII and ignoring the fact that Hitler started WWII."
You: "There is absolutely a historical case to be made that appeasement was a fatal error leading to the rise of Nazi Germany."
Me: "There’s a historical case to be made that Hitler is blameless?"
You: "Way to not at all read what I said."
Sure seems to me like you said Hitler is blameless when your comment is put in context.
Both can be to blame, my brother/sister.
Clearly, the implication is that one is obviously the substantially worse evil, but somebody has to stop them. What is your solution to stopping them?
You literally invoked your daughter here and somehow you don't see the urgency here.
We have a problem. A big one. Who is supposed to stop it? Why havent they stopped it yet?
As far as I can tell, the solution is to get Biden elected whether you like him or not.
What's your solution? It's too late to primary him. Ross Perot and Ralph Nader showed that third party runs don't work.
I'm going to vote for him and throw up in my mouth when it happens. What happens if enough people don't ? Because I suspect that's what's gonna happen.
This isn't a hypothetical. What are you going to do when the death squads come for your daughter? I'm personally scared pissless. It doesn't seem like democratic leadership is.
The election was supposed to be the last line of defense. Not the first.
The way I see it, because we drug our feet, we have one shot at this, and we better pray Joe Biden's enough.
We "punished" them in 2016 for blackballing Bernie and forcing Hillary down our throats. But all we did was punch ourselves in the nuts because Trump moved this country so far right that a fascist overthrow of democracy is now an established and serious risk, and the election reforms youll be getting are most assuredly not the ones you're hoping for.
So, no, I'm not gonna ignore very recent history and punch myself in the nuts again. I look forward to supporting more progressive policy reforms in the future but the threat to our election system is much more immediate and our votes are the only thing that can protect it against an insurrectionist ex-President coming to finish the job.
Vbnmw! It didn’t work before, but it will definitely work this time!!!
If this is the case, then Democrat learned no lesson from that. If what you are saying is true, and I don't think it is, then they fucked around and found out, and now they're doing it again.
So, which is it? Is it the progressive block an incredibly important piece of winning the electorate? Or is it a worthless group you don't have to make concessions towards?
The progressive block is one small piece out of many, many other groups that make up the American "left". The democrats are in the undesirable position of having to juggle the sometimes competing interests of all these little blocks, which ultimately means that nobody is ever truly happy with the direction of the party except for those in the largest blocks (i.e. liberal moderates).
Notice, though, that the moderate is never required to compromise, but it's always the progressive who is. Either they are a large enough faction to matter and have their demands met, or they aren't. It's that simple.
Yes, because they have to please the moderates or else they won't win. Progressives are just big enough to tip the scales in a major election against an opponent with a sufficiently energized base, hence the occasional bone throwing. Progressives need to grow their base and mainstream their ideas if they want to have serious sway (see the religious right 1980s -> now). Unfortunately, this process usually happens on a generational timescale, and without the level of conviction that comes from absolutely balls-crazy religious brainwashing, people tend to get discouraged and give up after a few election cycles.
They're important enough to blame for all losses, but insignificant enough to treat with undisguised contempt.
Seems like they deserve the contempt to me. They don't get out they don't organize they don't find and promote candidates and when push comes to shove they say oh well fascism will be okay for a few years. They'd rather sit back and watch people's lives be destroyed because they're selfish pricks. Any idiot who thinks destruction of democracy is going to work out for the long term deserves contempt.
If they're numerous enough to blame for all losses, they're numerous enough to be treated as a valuable constituency.
Democrats would rather lose democracy forever than move to the left.
So...
In your mind, the people screaming their voices raw that Biden is an unpopular candidate, and could lose like Hillary did in 2016....
If they're right, and Biden does lose, you're going to blame them for trying to warn everyone before it was too late to change candidates?
That's the same logic that got medicine women burned as witches when they said somone won't survive an illness.
Like, I see that shit all the time here, it never makes any sense, and when I try to get someone to explain why they think that, I usually just get some weird insult or no reply at all.
When covid broke out, were you also yelling at scientists to shut up because as long as you weren't aware of the danger you thought it couldn't hurt you?
Democrats would rather lose and have someone to blame than move to the left.
If they lose to a Republican, they're back in power in 4-8 years.
If they lose to a FDR style Dem, then they may never get power of the party back.
That's why the DNC fights progressives harder than republicans.
Meanwhile progressives are trying to stop fascism and our own side keeps tripping us and then lecturing us while the fascists keep on marching.
Your feelings of disdain are affecting your voting preferences? And you're disdainful of people who vote based on feelings?
It'd be ridiculous and funny if that wasn't exactly how conservatives vote.
Scratch a liberal...
But Biden didn't personally swoop down from the heavens and fix my personal issues, and he didn't unilaterally end another country's war! He didn't pass laws (which he can't do) or give me money (which he also can't do).
Surely things will be better under Trump! I'll take my ball and go home. Who cares about all of the people who will suffer under Trump? I DEMAND perfection and am willing to make the situation worse out of a misguided desire for it!
I would just like him to stop sending weapons and ammo.
In the face of climate change, the half measures we're seeing are not an option. That seems to be true for a lot of political issues of our time. Whether that be the increasing rise of fascism or climate change. Biden likely would have been fine in any other era, but we need strong changes in a strong leader right now, or we will not survive.
No other viable Presidential candidate will be better on anything you are complaining about than Biden.
The time to work on that was 3 years ago.
Well then we've already lost. Guess we had a good run.
I'd laugh. Or cry. Just read the comments. They'll find out.
We've been given the choice between an insane fascist and an ethnic cleansing apologist. That the second is the "good" option is utterly shameful.
Yeah cuz historically that's always a good idea.
I imagine the people who don't like Biden because he's not progressive enough could feel the same except in reverse, saying that you deserve to live in a Trump dictatorship for forcing a milquetoast candidate.
Did you eat paint chips as a kid?