The only thing better than Greta's commitment to fighting against climate change, is seeing how much she pisses off old rich men. One day I'm going to make a shirt that says "Your girlfriend would rather fuck Greta" just to watch them seethe even harder.
As a relatively young, broke man, she also pisses me off very much.
You agree with everything people who actively make your life harder tell you to think?
The hell? What kind of fucked up world view does one need to have, to jump to that conclusion, just because I don't agree with the methods Great and her cult use? That's on the same level of stupid as telling Ukraine they have to negotiate with Russia at all costs.
her cult
Claiming that believing climate change is real and fighting for a cleaner future is a cult is the real fucked up world view.
You realize science is a real thing, right?
You apparently don't, because there are countless scientists who deliver alternatives, so we don't have to strip ourself from enjoying life in every possible way.
Now tell me what exactly is so noble and great in ignoring different sides of science and just telling people (basically) "repent!"?
scientists who deliver alternatives
Like what?
<crickets>
Though if I had to guess, it's going to be stuff like "build a shit ton of nuclear power plants, use e fuels for cars, use green hydrogen, develop fusion power, and generally do all the things that allow us to believe that we have to change absolutely nothing in our lives."
Have you ever heard of Dr Jack Kevorkian
Fucking lol
If you read into his other posts he is saying her approach of blocking people from living their lives is ineffective. It is like protesting something by blocking off a highway people need to use to make a living.
So people should protest somewhere where nobody notices? Preferably quietly?
That's not how protests work.
At this point who notices protests? They are so commonplace unless tens of thousands of people are involved. I agree that this will catch the public eye and may motivate people to side with her, but it could have the opposite effect as well. People rely on fossil fuels to get through their day (e.g. commuting, heating their homes, electric generation even). Making it more expensive may frustrate people who are more concerned about making ends meet than the climate.
It sucks, but there are limits to how practical it is to disrupt a crucial resource.
“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”
Albert Einstein
Another quote i live my life by is "The only ting necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
We are discussing this one.
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these countless scientists (accounting for less than 2% of the scientific community), are they in the room with us right now?
Also Greta doesn't control literally anyone, doesn't require unwavering devotion and most importantly it is not a spiritual belief that human-made climate change is a thing. In fact it's a well established fact by now.
Because 1 moron screaming that the sky is green does not make the sky green just because he's "providing an alternative" to what the other 99 people are saying after looking up at the sky and seeing it is blue. Scientists are also not telling people to repent, they're telling people there needs to be a system change and they're also telling politicians that they need to enact policies to contrast climate change, and the same is what activists ask for. You'd know if you spent some time looking at what they say rather than what the media says about them.
You know who actually is both telling people to repent for their own emissions and also spreading misinformation about climate change and financing those "alternative science"? Oil companies. I wonder why.
Ok thanks for sharing I guess? The shirt will apply to you as well.
Right, because i dont have the same views about what to do, I'm in the same boat as the fucking oil mafia? And you people wonder why republicans and right wing views get so much approval and the left doesn't get shit done? God, this world is really beyond fucked.
You're the one siding with them, nobody told you to hate climate activist but them.
How dense do you have to be to come to such a conclusion from "I don't like how you fight for our common goal"?
That isn't what you said though, is it?
Okay, so what is "I don't have the same views about what to do" then? I want to bathe in oil and want the world to burn?
Why?
Because some right wing rag told him Greta bad. These people are total shills lol. Imagine defending oil corps who wouldn't hesitate fucking you over for a dime.
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That's good advice.
How about you just fuck off with your baseless accusations. Nobody tells me what to think, especially not right-wing armchair farts who don't have a clue about tooting and blowing. Both extremist views are absolute junk and have no place in a civilized world and that's exactly why Greta (and the same, it's not just her) gets on my nerves so much.
I don't think you can properly translate "von tuten und blasen keine Ahnung haben" into English. But I appreciate it anyway.
Furthermore, do you care to explain what is particularly extremist about Thunberg's views?
She cares about the environment man! And and she like, stood in front of an oil port!! I can't think of anything more extreme leftist terrorist than that
To know as much about something as the man in the moon
As to her extremist and disagreeable views, now, I haven't collaborated this properly but have it on very good authority that she prefers vanilla over chocolate pudding. What a monster.
I prefer vanilla over chocolate pudding as well. Good god, what have i become...
Wahrscheinlich nicht - ist mir aber ehrlich gesagt auch Egal, weil es am Ende eh nix bringt. Sobald man bei dem Thema ne andere Meinung hat, ist man eh unten durch. Aber, weil ich ja eig. verständigungswillig bin...hier die Erklärung:
Yes, i care: I've said it in another post, the fact that she (and pretty much everyone else that applauded her) want's to basically stop living life, without proposing or advocating how to do it better or rather using her Plattform to advocate real change without completely demolishing "life" irks me. To quote the other post:
Because I do not agree with the methods and also the basic goal. Basically, just telling everyone to stop living isn’t going to do shit in terms of change. You have to give people a perspective to rally behind the cause - I support the cause, but neither the goal of going cold turkey on fossils from tomorrow morning, nor do I support the way they go about that.
The issue is: The extremist positions are doing more harm than any good, it's one of the reasons the AfD got so big in the last few months and neither the Greens nor any other party seem to understand that all they are doing is playing in to the hands of those right wing extremist positions. It infuriates me beyond comparison and makes me actually mad.
And "the other side" just get's foam around their mouth (wahrscheinlich noch was, was man anders übersetzen müsste, ich bin aber gerade zu verärgert um das ordentlich zu tun - sorry) and put's you in to the same corner. Which is not only absolutely stupid, it also damages Democracy, Free Speech and also our society - probably on the same level as Climate Change itself, because in the end, does it matter if we bash our heads in because of climate change (no water, no food) or because we disagree? Both things can be avoided.
The popularity of the AFD is not the fault of the people actually trying to make things a tiny bit better. It's thanks to right wing media and parties (CxU) continuously slandering them after complete failure to improve things even the tiniest bit during their time in power.
Even the most mild and harmless change to somewhat reduce the apocalyptic global warming we're creating is fought tooth and nail by the right wing.
Your argument makes as much sense as the people saying gay people are making things worse by forcing their gayness down everyone's throat. No, right wing people don't want to do anything about climate change and want LGBT people not to exist.
The main character kid judged his mentor "with the sanctimonious only a youth can muster while decrying the faults of their elders."
I think of that line often. That's what comes to mind when watching that infamous speech of hers at the UN. It's just so cringe and hard to watch. I agree with the message, but the delivery, oof..
Because I do not agree with the methods and also the basic goal. Basically, just telling everyone to stop living isn't going to do shit in terms of change. You have to give people a perspective to rally behind the cause - I support the cause, but neither the goal of going cold turkey on fossils from tomorrow morning, nor do I support the way they go about that.
It's funny how you never reply whenever people actually try to ask you what you think is extremist about Greta and her methods/views. Something tells me you've just been told she's extremist by some bad faith actor and you're just repeating that without enacting any actual critical thought about it.
I did respond to that. Several times.
So if I understand you right, you don't think her method are appropriate to achieve her goals?
What is her goal? What methods would be better suited to that goal?
Her goal is to stop or at least significantly reduce climate change - which is a goal i support. One thing i would appreciate greatly is to actually use her platform and tell people about how many different things there are that every single one can do, to actually reduce the climate impact, without having to change much in their daily live and even their hobbies. For example, those people that invest heavily in to fossile fuel companies with their own private money should look in to investing it somewhere else (and i do actually know a lot of people - not that wealthy - that do exactly that), "vote" with their pockets and actually pay attention what they are buying (like, are you buying your avocados from the other side of the globe, or maybe from sustainable greenhouses that exist all around Europe? Do you really need the latest iPhone 2500X?), support green hydrogen initiatives and companies that do something with Alge to reduce the souring in the oceans and so on - there are COUNTLESS efforts underway that ACTUALLY are going to change things WITHOUT having to deal with all the animosity and bad blood.
Ah good old oil company propaganda where it's every single individual's responsibility to fix climate change.
You're incredibly naive if you think we can solve climate change with your wishful thinking instead of political action to regulate production, circularize the economy, build cities that don't make you need to drive a car if you want to get anywhere, etc etc etc.
There's no such thing as fixing a systemic issue without animosity with the people who profit from said system.
One thing i would appreciate greatly is to actually use her platform and tell people about how many different things there are that every single one can do, to actually reduce the climate impact, without having to change much in their daily live and even their hobbies.
You want the path of least resistance, which it is too late for. She has suggested a lot of things previously.
Dude human race is a danger to the environment and we are going kill life on this planet. So asking us to not live to save the environment would be spot on.
I believe that is the truly only way to save the environment.
But to your point of living our lives like normal. You keep doing that right up until were fucked I am sure future generations will appreciate you for all the "nothing " you did to combate climate change. When our grandkids (supposing you have kids) are fighting wars over water I'm sure they will look back on you fondly knowing that you kept up the good fight of enjoying the overabundance of food and water.
And you kept driving gas power cars and just enjoy life. Because god forbid anyone inconvenience you our the world over climate change.
How about instead of bitching about the girl who at least is fighting for her future and future generations you join the fight instead.
Do that our shut the fuck up no one interested in your complaining.
and also the basic goal
you disagree with stopping climate change?
...
ffs, i'm getting really tired of this shit.
No, of course i do not disagree with stopping climate change (well, actually, i do, because the term "stopping climate change" is wrong, climate change is something that happens naturally and continuously, stopping the man made acceleration of climate change is the correct thing)
because the term “stopping climate change” is wrong
oh fun, a pedant.
so if its not the fight against manmade climate change that you have issue with, what is her basic goal that you disagree with?
I agree she is obnoxious and that famous speech at the UN is so cringe it's hard for me to watch. I also agree with the message overall, and I'm pretty much a single issue voter now on climate change. Blockading an oil port (?) isn't the way to go about it though. We need to make alternatives better, cheaper, and more affordable than oil. That's the only way to get people to change. That's the only way to change things on a massive scale.
All the downvotes against you are dismaying. I think people hear 'Greta bad' and assume you enjoy dumping oil in the arctic and killing baby seals as your weekend hobby. It would be cool if we could discuss these things without going straight to each other's throats.
I agree she is obnoxious and that famous speech at the UN is so cringe it’s hard for me to watch. I also agree with the message overall, and I’m pretty much a single issue voter now on climate change. Blockading an oil port (?) isn’t the way to go about it though. We need to make alternatives better, cheaper, and more affordable than oil. That’s the only way to get people to change. That’s the only way to change things on a massive scale.
That's pretty much one of my points as well. There are also other things that can and have to be done, we've fucked up pretty royally and need to be doing stuff ASAP - but not through force. We need everyone to do it and we can't afford the different "camps".
All the downvotes against you are dismaying. I think people hear ‘Greta bad’ and assume you enjoy dumping oil in the arctic and killing baby seals as your weekend hobby. It would be cool if we could discuss these things without going straight to each other’s throats.
Pretty much, yeah. I'm by no means right on everything and some ideas are stupid (still, they should be done to get everyone on board), but no discussions i one of the biggest issues we have in our societies right now.
And now here we both are now sitting at "scores" below zero. I was really hoping Lemmy wouldn't bring reddit's rabid overzealous hateful groupthink with it. It would be really nice if we could discuss this like adults but no, I guess we should go fuck off and die instead.
We get pushed in to the "Right" corner. Which is utterly stupid and could not be any further from the truth...(at least in my case)
What's that line from big lebowski, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole? I think that applies to greta and other so-called climate activists. Sitting in the road blocking people from getting to work isn't going to win the hearts and minds. Blocking oil tankers isn't going to stop people, businesses, governments, etc from using oil. It's just super childish and naive to think otherwise.
Based Greta, the one actual girlboss.
The only thing better than Greta's commitment to fighting against climate change, is seeing how much she pisses off old rich men. One day I'm going to make a shirt that says "Your girlfriend would rather fuck Greta" just to watch them seethe even harder.
As a relatively young, broke man, she also pisses me off very much.
You agree with everything people who actively make your life harder tell you to think?
The hell? What kind of fucked up world view does one need to have, to jump to that conclusion, just because I don't agree with the methods Great and her cult use? That's on the same level of stupid as telling Ukraine they have to negotiate with Russia at all costs.
Claiming that believing climate change is real and fighting for a cleaner future is a cult is the real fucked up world view.
You realize science is a real thing, right?
You apparently don't, because there are countless scientists who deliver alternatives, so we don't have to strip ourself from enjoying life in every possible way.
>Cult is a term, sometimes considered pejorative, for a relatively small group which is typically led by a charismatic and self-appointed leader, who excessively controls its members, requiring unwavering devotion to a set of beliefs and practices which are considered deviant (outside the norms of society). This term is also used for a new religious movement or other social group which is defined by its unusual religious, spiritual, or philosophical beliefs and rituals, or its common interest in a particular person, object, or goal.
Now tell me what exactly is so noble and great in ignoring different sides of science and just telling people (basically) "repent!"?
Like what?
Though if I had to guess, it's going to be stuff like "build a shit ton of nuclear power plants, use e fuels for cars, use green hydrogen, develop fusion power, and generally do all the things that allow us to believe that we have to change absolutely nothing in our lives."
Have you ever heard of Dr Jack Kevorkian
Fucking lol
If you read into his other posts he is saying her approach of blocking people from living their lives is ineffective. It is like protesting something by blocking off a highway people need to use to make a living.
So people should protest somewhere where nobody notices? Preferably quietly?
That's not how protests work.
At this point who notices protests? They are so commonplace unless tens of thousands of people are involved. I agree that this will catch the public eye and may motivate people to side with her, but it could have the opposite effect as well. People rely on fossil fuels to get through their day (e.g. commuting, heating their homes, electric generation even). Making it more expensive may frustrate people who are more concerned about making ends meet than the climate.
It sucks, but there are limits to how practical it is to disrupt a crucial resource.
“The world will not be destroyed by those who do evil, but by those who watch them without doing anything.”
Another quote i live my life by is "The only ting necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
We are discussing this one.
?
these countless scientists (accounting for less than 2% of the scientific community), are they in the room with us right now?
Also Greta doesn't control literally anyone, doesn't require unwavering devotion and most importantly it is not a spiritual belief that human-made climate change is a thing. In fact it's a well established fact by now.
Because 1 moron screaming that the sky is green does not make the sky green just because he's "providing an alternative" to what the other 99 people are saying after looking up at the sky and seeing it is blue. Scientists are also not telling people to repent, they're telling people there needs to be a system change and they're also telling politicians that they need to enact policies to contrast climate change, and the same is what activists ask for. You'd know if you spent some time looking at what they say rather than what the media says about them.
You know who actually is both telling people to repent for their own emissions and also spreading misinformation about climate change and financing those "alternative science"? Oil companies. I wonder why.
Ok thanks for sharing I guess? The shirt will apply to you as well.
Right, because i dont have the same views about what to do, I'm in the same boat as the fucking oil mafia? And you people wonder why republicans and right wing views get so much approval and the left doesn't get shit done? God, this world is really beyond fucked.
You're the one siding with them, nobody told you to hate climate activist but them.
How dense do you have to be to come to such a conclusion from "I don't like how you fight for our common goal"?
That isn't what you said though, is it?
Okay, so what is "I don't have the same views about what to do" then? I want to bathe in oil and want the world to burn?
Why?
Because some right wing rag told him Greta bad. These people are total shills lol. Imagine defending oil corps who wouldn't hesitate fucking you over for a dime.
💀
That's good advice.
How about you just fuck off with your baseless accusations. Nobody tells me what to think, especially not right-wing armchair farts who don't have a clue about tooting and blowing. Both extremist views are absolute junk and have no place in a civilized world and that's exactly why Greta (and the same, it's not just her) gets on my nerves so much.
I don't think you can properly translate "von tuten und blasen keine Ahnung haben" into English. But I appreciate it anyway.
Furthermore, do you care to explain what is particularly extremist about Thunberg's views?
She cares about the environment man! And and she like, stood in front of an oil port!! I can't think of anything more extreme leftist terrorist than that
To know as much about something as the man in the moon
As to her extremist and disagreeable views, now, I haven't collaborated this properly but have it on very good authority that she prefers vanilla over chocolate pudding. What a monster.
I prefer vanilla over chocolate pudding as well. Good god, what have i become...
Wahrscheinlich nicht - ist mir aber ehrlich gesagt auch Egal, weil es am Ende eh nix bringt. Sobald man bei dem Thema ne andere Meinung hat, ist man eh unten durch. Aber, weil ich ja eig. verständigungswillig bin...hier die Erklärung:
Yes, i care: I've said it in another post, the fact that she (and pretty much everyone else that applauded her) want's to basically stop living life, without proposing or advocating how to do it better or rather using her Plattform to advocate real change without completely demolishing "life" irks me. To quote the other post:
The issue is: The extremist positions are doing more harm than any good, it's one of the reasons the AfD got so big in the last few months and neither the Greens nor any other party seem to understand that all they are doing is playing in to the hands of those right wing extremist positions. It infuriates me beyond comparison and makes me actually mad.
And "the other side" just get's foam around their mouth (wahrscheinlich noch was, was man anders übersetzen müsste, ich bin aber gerade zu verärgert um das ordentlich zu tun - sorry) and put's you in to the same corner. Which is not only absolutely stupid, it also damages Democracy, Free Speech and also our society - probably on the same level as Climate Change itself, because in the end, does it matter if we bash our heads in because of climate change (no water, no food) or because we disagree? Both things can be avoided.
The popularity of the AFD is not the fault of the people actually trying to make things a tiny bit better. It's thanks to right wing media and parties (CxU) continuously slandering them after complete failure to improve things even the tiniest bit during their time in power.
Even the most mild and harmless change to somewhat reduce the apocalyptic global warming we're creating is fought tooth and nail by the right wing.
Your argument makes as much sense as the people saying gay people are making things worse by forcing their gayness down everyone's throat. No, right wing people don't want to do anything about climate change and want LGBT people not to exist.
You can't appease those dicks into rationality.
Yes, just close your eyes from the reality^^
Sounds like something a right wing rag would say.
Nice. 'Both sides are the same' im just one square short of mingo on my 'Im totally not a republican, But...' card!
Both extremes are the same.
You slicing the world into exactly two categories (not three or five or seventy trillion but TWO) is divisive and counterproductive.
How about you fuck off to right wing communities?
Redirected self loathing is my guess
There's a great line in one of my favorite books:
The main character kid judged his mentor "with the sanctimonious only a youth can muster while decrying the faults of their elders."
I think of that line often. That's what comes to mind when watching that infamous speech of hers at the UN. It's just so cringe and hard to watch. I agree with the message, but the delivery, oof..
Because I do not agree with the methods and also the basic goal. Basically, just telling everyone to stop living isn't going to do shit in terms of change. You have to give people a perspective to rally behind the cause - I support the cause, but neither the goal of going cold turkey on fossils from tomorrow morning, nor do I support the way they go about that.
It's funny how you never reply whenever people actually try to ask you what you think is extremist about Greta and her methods/views. Something tells me you've just been told she's extremist by some bad faith actor and you're just repeating that without enacting any actual critical thought about it.
I did respond to that. Several times.
So if I understand you right, you don't think her method are appropriate to achieve her goals?
What is her goal? What methods would be better suited to that goal?
Her goal is to stop or at least significantly reduce climate change - which is a goal i support. One thing i would appreciate greatly is to actually use her platform and tell people about how many different things there are that every single one can do, to actually reduce the climate impact, without having to change much in their daily live and even their hobbies. For example, those people that invest heavily in to fossile fuel companies with their own private money should look in to investing it somewhere else (and i do actually know a lot of people - not that wealthy - that do exactly that), "vote" with their pockets and actually pay attention what they are buying (like, are you buying your avocados from the other side of the globe, or maybe from sustainable greenhouses that exist all around Europe? Do you really need the latest iPhone 2500X?), support green hydrogen initiatives and companies that do something with Alge to reduce the souring in the oceans and so on - there are COUNTLESS efforts underway that ACTUALLY are going to change things WITHOUT having to deal with all the animosity and bad blood.
Ah good old oil company propaganda where it's every single individual's responsibility to fix climate change.
You're incredibly naive if you think we can solve climate change with your wishful thinking instead of political action to regulate production, circularize the economy, build cities that don't make you need to drive a car if you want to get anywhere, etc etc etc.
There's no such thing as fixing a systemic issue without animosity with the people who profit from said system.
You want the path of least resistance, which it is too late for. She has suggested a lot of things previously.
Dude human race is a danger to the environment and we are going kill life on this planet. So asking us to not live to save the environment would be spot on.
I believe that is the truly only way to save the environment.
But to your point of living our lives like normal. You keep doing that right up until were fucked I am sure future generations will appreciate you for all the "nothing " you did to combate climate change. When our grandkids (supposing you have kids) are fighting wars over water I'm sure they will look back on you fondly knowing that you kept up the good fight of enjoying the overabundance of food and water.
And you kept driving gas power cars and just enjoy life. Because god forbid anyone inconvenience you our the world over climate change.
How about instead of bitching about the girl who at least is fighting for her future and future generations you join the fight instead.
Do that our shut the fuck up no one interested in your complaining.
you disagree with stopping climate change?
...
ffs, i'm getting really tired of this shit.
No, of course i do not disagree with stopping climate change (well, actually, i do, because the term "stopping climate change" is wrong, climate change is something that happens naturally and continuously, stopping the man made acceleration of climate change is the correct thing)
oh fun, a pedant.
so if its not the fight against manmade climate change that you have issue with, what is her basic goal that you disagree with?
I agree she is obnoxious and that famous speech at the UN is so cringe it's hard for me to watch. I also agree with the message overall, and I'm pretty much a single issue voter now on climate change. Blockading an oil port (?) isn't the way to go about it though. We need to make alternatives better, cheaper, and more affordable than oil. That's the only way to get people to change. That's the only way to change things on a massive scale.
All the downvotes against you are dismaying. I think people hear 'Greta bad' and assume you enjoy dumping oil in the arctic and killing baby seals as your weekend hobby. It would be cool if we could discuss these things without going straight to each other's throats.
That's pretty much one of my points as well. There are also other things that can and have to be done, we've fucked up pretty royally and need to be doing stuff ASAP - but not through force. We need everyone to do it and we can't afford the different "camps".
Pretty much, yeah. I'm by no means right on everything and some ideas are stupid (still, they should be done to get everyone on board), but no discussions i one of the biggest issues we have in our societies right now.
And now here we both are now sitting at "scores" below zero. I was really hoping Lemmy wouldn't bring reddit's rabid overzealous hateful groupthink with it. It would be really nice if we could discuss this like adults but no, I guess we should go fuck off and die instead.
We get pushed in to the "Right" corner. Which is utterly stupid and could not be any further from the truth...(at least in my case)
What's that line from big lebowski, you're not wrong, you're just an asshole? I think that applies to greta and other so-called climate activists. Sitting in the road blocking people from getting to work isn't going to win the hearts and minds. Blocking oil tankers isn't going to stop people, businesses, governments, etc from using oil. It's just super childish and naive to think otherwise.
Way easier to hate on a little girl than your oppressor. I get it, but it makes you seem weak.
Maybe direct that anger at people who deserve it