"In my household, the only addictive spyware we use is made in the USA!!!"
Edit: everyone below me is proving my point exactly.
Unironically yes, at least the US government is something we can openly criticize and attempt to change while living within its borders. Try criticizing the Chinese government from within China, let me know how that works out for you. I'll take homegrown American spyware any day.
People love to repeat this, but US companies aren't coming from a place of hostile intent like china's special brand of tik tok for the states.
I'm not so sure about that, they seem pretty hostile to consumers and employees.
They're both focused on profit. The only reason you see the other one as scary is because it's owned by the scary scary Chinese. Red scare all over again.
No tiktok is not focused on profit. It literally has one of the worst/non existent monetization systems.
Yup, vine ripoff with some tweaks and the same monetization issue
Case in point. Vine literally can't survive and so shouldn't TikTok. Unless of course it's getting propped up by a government with endless funds and not focused on profits.
Why are you so convinced that an advertising platform that a 1/3rd of the country is glued to is unsustainable. And that's ignoring the rest of the world, which is the majority of their user base.
The same reason why twitter was NEVER profitable and it had more eyes glued to it. World presidents were using twitter for announcements. Never profitable.
What's the connection between Uber and China, then? I thought it was somewhat common for tech companies to be unprofitable for very long periods of time backed only by capital, but it may be China. Has anyone looked into this? Does Xi know what I like to order on weekends? Why haven't we banned this yet
I wouldn't consider Uber. This is closer to Vine vs TikTok. And we all know what happened to Vine.
Why is Chinese tiktok different than that in the states then?
Because the USA strong armed them into giving their platform handling to Oracle Corp, a top tier US govt contractor.
But since pro-palestine cries can't be silenced on TikTok as easily as Zio media, taking control of the platform is no longer enough
No, it's literally a different app in China.
It's the same thing, the international one was called TikTok and the US version is handled by Oracle
It's called douyin or something idk in China but it's the same shit
In 2019, Douyin limited users in teenager mode to 40 minutes per day, accessible only between the hours of 6 a.m. and 10 p.m. Then, in 2021, it made the use of teenager mode mandatory for users under 14.
Seems like a bit of a digital smallpox blanket.
You say “red scare” as if China isn’t a hostile nation state to the US. Go look at western company penetration in China if you want. Are you calling it “western scare” when China blocks yet another western company? I didn’t think so.
So Facebook has the best interest of the people at heart?
Facebook is not intentionally doing it. It was a byproduct of capitalism. While TikTok doesn't care about profits and only wants to control our government and people.
Most 10 years ago they were already manipulating people on purpose
Yes, to maximize ad spend, not to take down a government for another government's benefit.
You know though that the United States have "taken down" governments before? Americans do not have any right to feel superior on this issue in the slightest way
Does it matter what the US did or didn't do? The US government should always put Americans first.
Should we not ban TikTok because ourfounding fathers had slaves too?
To do both... But keep your head in the sand as long as you want
They literally sold the data for money. Not trying to topple a government.
So they sell data for money, to people who wanted to influence an election .... But you see that as different?
Yes. Tell me what is more effective. Having a software that you own that you can segment and target directly or buy data from a 3rd party and then try and use that platform which is not designed to influence elections and is also monitored by the NSA.
According to SAI sources, the following exchange is between a 19-year-old Mark Zuckerberg and a friend shortly after Mark launched The Facebook in his dorm room:
Zuck: Yeah so if you ever need info about anyone at Harvard
Zuck: Just ask.
Zuck: I have over 4,000 emails, pictures, addresses, SNS
[Redacted Friend's Name]: What? How'd you manage that one?
Zuck: People just submitted it.
Zuck: I don't know why.
Zuck: They "trust me"
Zuck: Dumb fucks.
Brutal.
Could Mark have been completely joking? Sure. But the exchange does reveal that Facebook's aggressive attitude toward privacy may have begun early on.
Why would it matter whether or not it's intentional, if the end effect is the same?
It's not the same. China wants to fuck up the American youth. That's why their version of tiktok is so different from ours. But you already knew that I'm sure
Nah, I don't use tiktok, Chinese or otherwise so I wouldn't know the difference. But you're missing the point.
USA organisations abuse social media to spy on and influence citizens.
Chinese organisations abuse social media to spy on and influence citizens.
And yet, you claim one is inheritly worse than the other or should be preferered. To me, they are equally bad. If anything, the USA manipulation is worse - they can use that knowledge more easily and to greater effect than an attacker on the other side of the world.
USA organisations abuse social media to spy on and influence citizens.
Chinese organisationsgenocidal dictatorship abuse social media to spy on and influence citizens.
Are the American companies doing it in pursuit of destabilizing the United States population for the betterment of the CCP and its interests?
Is the Chinese company doing it in pursuit of destabilizing the United States population for the betterment of the CCP and its interests?
China does not have a version of tiktok. You are repeating bullshit lies
"In my household, the only addictive spyware we use is made in the USA!!!"
Edit: everyone below me is proving my point exactly.
Unironically yes, at least the US government is something we can openly criticize and attempt to change while living within its borders. Try criticizing the Chinese government from within China, let me know how that works out for you. I'll take homegrown American spyware any day.
People love to repeat this, but US companies aren't coming from a place of hostile intent like china's special brand of tik tok for the states.
I'm not so sure about that, they seem pretty hostile to consumers and employees.
They're both focused on profit. The only reason you see the other one as scary is because it's owned by the scary scary Chinese. Red scare all over again.
No tiktok is not focused on profit. It literally has one of the worst/non existent monetization systems.
Yup, vine ripoff with some tweaks and the same monetization issue
Case in point. Vine literally can't survive and so shouldn't TikTok. Unless of course it's getting propped up by a government with endless funds and not focused on profits.
Why are you so convinced that an advertising platform that a 1/3rd of the country is glued to is unsustainable. And that's ignoring the rest of the world, which is the majority of their user base.
The same reason why twitter was NEVER profitable and it had more eyes glued to it. World presidents were using twitter for announcements. Never profitable.
What's the connection between Uber and China, then? I thought it was somewhat common for tech companies to be unprofitable for very long periods of time backed only by capital, but it may be China. Has anyone looked into this? Does Xi know what I like to order on weekends? Why haven't we banned this yet
I wouldn't consider Uber. This is closer to Vine vs TikTok. And we all know what happened to Vine.
Why is Chinese tiktok different than that in the states then?
Because the USA strong armed them into giving their platform handling to Oracle Corp, a top tier US govt contractor.
But since pro-palestine cries can't be silenced on TikTok as easily as Zio media, taking control of the platform is no longer enough
No, it's literally a different app in China.
It's the same thing, the international one was called TikTok and the US version is handled by Oracle
It's called douyin or something idk in China but it's the same shit
Maybe it says something that China limits access to their kids
Seems like a bit of a digital smallpox blanket.
You say “red scare” as if China isn’t a hostile nation state to the US. Go look at western company penetration in China if you want. Are you calling it “western scare” when China blocks yet another western company? I didn’t think so.
So Facebook has the best interest of the people at heart?
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/11/facebooks-dangerous-experiment-teen-girls/620767/
https://www.forbes.com/sites/kimelsesser/2021/10/05/heres-how-instagram-harms-young-women-according-to-research/?sh=50ff6082255a
https://www.counterextremism.com/press/extremist-content-online-extreme-right-and-neo-nazi-content-located-tiktok-instagram-and
Facebook is not intentionally doing it. It was a byproduct of capitalism. While TikTok doesn't care about profits and only wants to control our government and people.
Most 10 years ago they were already manipulating people on purpose
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2014/jun/30/facebook-emotion-study-breached-ethical-guidelines-researchers-say
Yes, to maximize ad spend, not to take down a government for another government's benefit.
You know though that the United States have "taken down" governments before? Americans do not have any right to feel superior on this issue in the slightest way
Does it matter what the US did or didn't do? The US government should always put Americans first.
Should we not ban TikTok because ourfounding fathers had slaves too?
To do both... But keep your head in the sand as long as you want
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/17/the-cambridge-analytica-scandal-changed-the-world-but-it-didnt-change-facebook
They literally sold the data for money. Not trying to topple a government.
So they sell data for money, to people who wanted to influence an election .... But you see that as different?
Yes. Tell me what is more effective. Having a software that you own that you can segment and target directly or buy data from a 3rd party and then try and use that platform which is not designed to influence elections and is also monitored by the NSA.
Hmm, here's what Zuckerberg said when he launched Facebook:
They may not be trying to control elections (they certainly have their fingers in that pie too), but they're still hostile to users.
Why would it matter whether or not it's intentional, if the end effect is the same?
It's not the same. China wants to fuck up the American youth. That's why their version of tiktok is so different from ours. But you already knew that I'm sure
Nah, I don't use tiktok, Chinese or otherwise so I wouldn't know the difference. But you're missing the point.
And yet, you claim one is inheritly worse than the other or should be preferered. To me, they are equally bad. If anything, the USA manipulation is worse - they can use that knowledge more easily and to greater effect than an attacker on the other side of the world.
Are the American companies doing it in pursuit of destabilizing the United States population for the betterment of the CCP and its interests?
Is the Chinese company doing it in pursuit of destabilizing the United States population for the betterment of the CCP and its interests?
China does not have a version of tiktok. You are repeating bullshit lies
Douyin begs to differ.