US involved in Israeli operation in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians
The Israeli military had US support in rescuing four captives from Gaza in a "complex daytime operation" in Nuseirat that killed over 200 Palestinians.
A US official told Axios that the US hostages cell in Israel had "supported" the effort to rescue the captives.
The Palestinian government media office in Gaza said the death toll from Israel's attack on central Gaza had reached at least 210, with 400 more wounded.
"The occupation has annihilated the Nuseirat refugee camp. Innocent and unarmed civilian were bombed in their homes. I've never seen anything like this. It's a catastrophe," local Nidal Abdo told Middle East Eye.
"I came from the camp to here in the hospital on foot. I can't describe how we fled. I saw dead children and body parts strewn all over as we fled. No one was able to assist them. I saw an elderly man killed on a animal-drawn cart.
"Nuseirat was being annihilated. It was hell."
It said: "American participation in the criminal operation that was carried out today proves once again the complicit role of the American administration, its full participation in the war crimes committed in the Gaza Strip, [and] the falsity of its declared positions on the humanitarian situation and its concern for the lives of civilians."
Glad to see 4 hostages rescues. Fuck Hamas.
How deranged do you have to be to think that it's okay to murder more than 200 innocent people to save 4? Imagine that there's a hostage situation somewhere near you, and the outcome is "we saved the 4 hostages, unfortunately 200 bystanders died". I can not comprehend how you can be so mentally disturbed that you can be okay with that.
Person you are replying to didn't do that in comment you are replying to.
They meant to say it as they already commented
Ah. Misreply.
I mean, say what you want but 100% dozens of those 200 are Hamas terrorists. He's not wrong. Heck, we don't even know if it was indeed 200 killed.
Also how is nobody here even a bit mad over Hamas hiding hostages in a refugee camp?
Because we they’re scorpions.
You only express anger at things that you think can change.
You just express depression at things that are wrong that you know you can’t.
We are mad at Israel because we expect more from them than we do from terrorists.
It’s the same reason we get mad here in the USA when our country does something stupid and shitty like invading Iraq to try and finish the job that your daddy couldn’t.
That's an actually really solid case.
I do think though that the world also needs to help Israel in the fight against Hamas. You can't expect them to both be humane with the same standard as the rest of the west, while they're the only ones being constantly attacked (and very effectively so).
So while you can and should expect change from the situation, you can't expect it to come for free and one sidedly.
I think we have been very generous so far, more so than a lot of us would like
How deranged do you have to be to say Israeli lives are less important than Palestinian? Take your Hamas propaganda somewhere else troll.
The issue here is that the IDF believes Israeli lives are FAR more important than Palestinian lives. How much? They actually have calculated how many Palestinian civilian deaths are acceptable to protect one Israeli soldier.
They didn't calculate a fixed number. They adjust the numbers depending on what allows them to throw enough bombs that day. And if they get to distract or don't face political backlash over it, which we saw in the past months getting especially worse, with how the US, UK and Germany to maybe throw some words, but otherwise go hellbent on full support of their crimes.
For all matters of reason the value of a Palestinian life to the Zionazis is 0. Heck we see them murdering women and children out of boredom. We see them counting how many women and children they murdered and bragging about it on Tiktok.
Lol what? I'm clearly not saying that, I'm arguing Israeli lives are not worth more than Palestinian. My whole point is that a life is a life, I don't give a rats ass what side of an imaginary line on a map that person was born.
Are they more important
Innocents died and that is a tragedy but I do not believe all 200 are innocents when there are hostages being held. If I was complicit holding hostages in my home I would not be an innocent
Okay, let's assume only half are innocent (that's generous given the statistics of the invasion so far). That's still more than 100 innocent human beings murdered. Families torn apart, children orphaned, parents that have to bury their children, or families that simply stopped existing. How anyone can celebrate that outcome as a success I will never understand.
I also wish Hamas didn't use human shields.
I don’t think you do
Think whatever you like.
A refugee camp isn't much of a home.
It’s a city. Calling it a refugee camp is due to the special UN status all Palestinians have as refugees no matter where they are.
That is bullshit. The reason why 90% of the Palestinians have a refugee status is because 90% of them were forcibly displaced by Israel. The few Palestinians that don't have a refugee status do so, because they were already living in Gaza or the few remaing parts of the occupied Westbank and East Jerusalem that weren't forcibly evicted and settled by Israeli terrorists yet.
You mean their grandparents were displaced by Israel. They themselves were born in Gaza or the West bank, and should be considered residents of that land. If attempts of trying to "free palestine" by terrorism stop, and plans like Oslo could be continued of establishing a state in the 67 borders, then Palestinians can stop being refugees. Meanwhile no Palestinian organization is doing what's good for their people - which is to try and make peace over existing borders.
Replace Palestinians with European Jews in your statement, and think of existing borders as in Nazi Germany 1942 and then think again very slowly, if you want to make these kind of arguments.
... But jews aren't considered refugees.... I fail to see your point in comparing that, since european jews are indeed not refugees. Their grandparents were refugees after the 2nd world war, but now they're Israelis or migrated to another country. In both cases, not refugees anymore.
What country did Palestinians migrate to?
90% of Gazans have been displaced from the homes they did live one year ago due to Israel's invasion of Gaza, which is why the person you're talking to says they're refugees. Please get informed because flaunting your ignorance.
Please learn to read what he wrote before saying anything.
He was talking about the 48 war, and their refugee status since then.
Right now Gazans are refugees, yes, but they were considered "refugees" even before this war, when they had a home (which is now probably destroyed since oct.7).
I'm informed, I just also know how to read.
These comments are unironically as insane as people that say that there are no innocents in israel and Hamas had the right to shoot every israeli.
But somehow Zionists saying insane Nazi shit just flies.
Those 200 could be rest of hostages.
Direct question. Are you USSAian? Because it seems you imagine everyone lives in own separate house.
lmao
Ok so what number are you ok with here?
Glad to see 4 hostages rescued too.
Fuck Israel for their thinking 4 people are worth that.
"We know where our people are but Hamas has surrounded themselves with their own citizens. What should we do?"
"Damn. I guess we'll have to abandon our people then. Pack it up."
Stop letting Hamas' tactic work on you.
Or, you know, they could just get them all back by agreeing to a peace deal and not killing anyone
Isarel: Forcibly displaces people again, again and again, cramming them into less and less space.
You: Why is Hamas surrounding itself with Civillians, that is so evil!!!
Israel: Lets use aid trucks to bring our fighters in and slaughter random people. It is a clear warcrime to abuse humanitarian infrastructure to transport combatants, but who cares.
You: Oh my gosh. They did so well with their war crimes. It is totally justified because i am closeted racist, so who cares about women and children being murdered if they aren't part of my group
Y'all mind if we stop pretending Hamas isn't totally cool with getting their own citizens killed?
https://web.archive.org/web/20230530025152/http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/09/world/09fighter.html
This is such a tired response, I've already replied to it here.
Ah yes the NYT, that bastion of truth regarding the Israelis.
Did they ever figure out who leaked all that?
They sure spent a lot of time trying to figure out who leaked it instead of actually strengthening their journalistic practices
We’ll ignore the fact that martyrdom is tightly intertwined with their religion.
They’re religious fanatics. Similar to US conservatives which I assume you’d have no problem criticizing.
Your reply doesn’t address my assessment of Hamas’ attitude toward their own citizens. It’s nice and snarky though and will do well here on Lemmy.
So, this comes down to trusting NYT reporting, something they have shown they are not capable of deserving.
Hummus are terrorists, fuck them and I hope that anyone involved in terroristic activities dies in pain.
I like how you completely ignored everything I said though.
You didn't say shit. You conveyed your distrust of NYT.
I guess we only have the EU to reference here too: https://www.voanews.com/a/eu-condemns-hamas-for-using-civilians-at-gaza-hospitals-as-human-shields-/7353026.html
Should I find more?
Doesn’t VoA stand for voice of America?
Again, you're overly concerned with the source rather than the content. Do you think VOA is making up an EU condemnation?
That can't be because anyone who thinks that would simply open another tab in their browser and look for a different source which may corroborate this one.
So you just want to be obtuse. Literally nothing I say will convince you. Considering that, I think we're done here.
For anyone else reading the thread: https://apnews.com/article/european-union-condemn-hamas-human-shields-2c0d1c04cb38fc4acce37d8d624e1a3f
There you go! A source that is not a state owned media by the US you r one that has not already been tainted by showing a clearly Israeli bias and then trying to cover up and exterminate the leaks.
We all know that they are using human shields, they are complete and total bastards.
That still does not make it okay for that ratio.
I can accept that there will be a ratio, there’s no helping that but 1 adult for 5 children is too high.
That is using the lowest number I have seen and only addressing children.
Would you be okay with 5 kids dying to save you?
4 adults for 23 kids is not worth it.
I would say that everyone of them should be reminded what their rescue cost repeatedly, but that’s not fair to them and the others are like you and think the trade is worth it.
Stop letting Israel’s tactics work on you.
Darn. Guess we just have to let Hamas and anyone who comes after do whatever they want as long as they keep their human shields nearby.
Whatever you have to tell yourself to be okay with killing kids friend.
It’s s probably just “they’re brown”
Keep reducing everything to the color of people’s skin and you’ll continue to be confused about lots of other people’s positions on a wide variety of topics.
I’m sure it makes life simpler for you though.
Just in case you’re not totally gone, consider the Russia Ukraine conflict.
If Ukraine took action to recover their kidnapped citizens and it ended like this one did, I’d hold the exact same position. And gasp their skin is white!
Unlike lots of “progressives”, my opinion of right and wrong doesn’t change with people’s skin color.
You didn't even need to use that conflict as an example. Most Israelis are brown.
They’re less brown then the people they’re killing and unfortunately that’s all that matters to a lot of people.
Ok, you’re just a regular piece of shit, not a racist one.
I guess that’s better