My mom a brown person liked trump last election whilst my father who follows politics hated him. Some people just don't know and that's a problem. My mom now hates him.
There's some growth. I have a friend who I almost lost after he voted for Trump the first time. His excuse was the whole propaganda drain the swamp, and businessman running the country thing. He hates Trump now too and has since gone more toward the middle and Def stopped being and voting for reds. Baby steps.
See, I never got the whole businessman thing. Like, Trump's claim to fame in that area was that he'd driven his businesses to bankruptcy like 5 different times and had to get bailed out? And you want this man to be in charge?
Yea anyone with half a brain would realize it but people just saw he was rich and said he's a businessman and never bothered to check.
It's actually why people always call me smart, I don't think I'm particularly smart but I always ask why and always take an extra step to check things out where most people would just take things at face value.
Smart people do 2 things:
Ask questions
Realize other people are smarter than them
Honestly I think he won because he said he was going to not be a politician. People hate politicians and were happy to put someone in who was naive to all of it and who said he would fix all the corruption.
And then he went on to be a horrible human being on a day to day basis, usually via Twitter, was more corrupt than nearly anyone before him, and the only swamp he drained regularly was his own staff who he threw under the bus constantly.
I think he will lose this time because he already showed he won't do any of that. He hasnt even mentioned it this time has he.
Well, this is just anecdotal, but my family members all voted for him because we had a hard R in the Whitehouse for 8 years and they were pissed about that.
Took me way too long to figure out ehat you meant there with the hard r, and thats wild. Unfortunately, and I dont mean this directly for your family, but I have a strong feeling racism has to just die off. I'm not convinced its possible to fix someone's ideas about that after say 30 years of it or whatever.
I have to ask though, do they just hate all Democrats, and being black was the easiest thing to target? Or maybe they see the party as intertwined with minorities.
They're stereotypically Republican: old, white, fearful of anybody with melanin and blame the left for everything. They'll say "we hated Obama for eight long years" and when you ask why? What did he do that you hated so much? "We're not racists!!!1!" Like, ok? That's not an answer.
I’m sure too many low information voters his claim to fame was simply his name on big buildings and the TV show where he played the business guru judging everybody.
I hear this a lot. It's what gets me about the polling for this election being so close - in the last eight years, who has Trump actually attracted? Who exists that is like "I voted for Hillary and Biden, but I won't be fooled again!"
The learning really seems to go one way.
I lose sleep over this as well. There is a lot of evidence to suggest the polls are just wrong. Republicans have a long and consistent string of bad election losses since 2016. But still... In 2020 Biden was up in national polls and barely won. So if the same methodology is showing him down then what gives?
The media wants a horse race. Plain and simple.
I think its because a lot of people who are voting for biden are not answering polls.
I get messages about these polls daily now and its annoying AF. But I never answer them ever. I know a bunch of people my age in my community won't answer them either.
I can 100% forgive people who voted for him the first time around but later realized that was a mistake.
If you never watched his show, heard about the lawsuits against him, knew anyone he stifted on payments, heard him interviewed on Howard Stern or heard him speaking at rallies, sure.
Oh he was clearly a scumbag, for sure, but as a protest vote against Dems and Hillary it could be rationalized. I don't think many knew how much lasting damage he would do. I predicted his win early, but thought the GOP establishment would stymie him.
Before 2016 I didn't know much about him aside from he's a rich dude with a golden tower who used to host a show. I can see someone not really paying attention i. 2016 and voting for him just because.
People who pay so little attention absolutely should not vote.
Yeah that's a part of the problem. A democratic Republic like ours requires an informed populace, and ideally high turnout. We are a nation of mostly apathetic idiots. It doesn't jive.
a rich dude with a golden tower who used to host a show
Ah, yes. That salt-of-the-Earth everydayman that i can relate to. Not one of them filthy "coastal elites" that are destroying this fine country!
That’s actually a chunk of the population. They don’t really care about politics but people they know who do are republicans and tell them what they think.
My family is republican, so I have to occasionally watch second hand fox news. THEY NEVER LET TRUMP SPEAK FOR LONG. Seriously, it's only 5 second clips, then back to the anchors that then tell their audience what to think about Trump. Whenever they interview him, they're quick to cut the feed if she starts going senile.
We'll have to excuse them if we don't want to label them.
But frankly speaking, if people realised what a disaster Trump was going to be the first time round, while not living in the US, being a citizen or even being eligible to vote in the USA, then how come your fellow countryman didn't know better.
I remember showering to a German song titled (translated) "Hurra, the world is going to end" the day the result of the elections 2016 were published.
oh wait, I don't have to imagine, that's just my reality.
FML.
(my wife is cool tho)
Ypur the fucking problem here. Going to extremes and shouting at teacher aboyt how you hate each other is exactly what both sides want. They want you distracted with your petty little issues while they consolidate your wealth in their pockets.
You used to be the laughibg stock of the western world and it seems that all Americans regardless of political outlook have no intention of changing that.
Imagine befriending a Trump voter. No thanks.
My mom a brown person liked trump last election whilst my father who follows politics hated him. Some people just don't know and that's a problem. My mom now hates him.
There's some growth. I have a friend who I almost lost after he voted for Trump the first time. His excuse was the whole propaganda drain the swamp, and businessman running the country thing. He hates Trump now too and has since gone more toward the middle and Def stopped being and voting for reds. Baby steps.
See, I never got the whole businessman thing. Like, Trump's claim to fame in that area was that he'd driven his businesses to bankruptcy like 5 different times and had to get bailed out? And you want this man to be in charge?
Yea anyone with half a brain would realize it but people just saw he was rich and said he's a businessman and never bothered to check.
It's actually why people always call me smart, I don't think I'm particularly smart but I always ask why and always take an extra step to check things out where most people would just take things at face value.
Smart people do 2 things:
Ask questions
Realize other people are smarter than them
Honestly I think he won because he said he was going to not be a politician. People hate politicians and were happy to put someone in who was naive to all of it and who said he would fix all the corruption.
And then he went on to be a horrible human being on a day to day basis, usually via Twitter, was more corrupt than nearly anyone before him, and the only swamp he drained regularly was his own staff who he threw under the bus constantly.
I think he will lose this time because he already showed he won't do any of that. He hasnt even mentioned it this time has he.
Well, this is just anecdotal, but my family members all voted for him because we had a hard R in the Whitehouse for 8 years and they were pissed about that.
Took me way too long to figure out ehat you meant there with the hard r, and thats wild. Unfortunately, and I dont mean this directly for your family, but I have a strong feeling racism has to just die off. I'm not convinced its possible to fix someone's ideas about that after say 30 years of it or whatever.
I have to ask though, do they just hate all Democrats, and being black was the easiest thing to target? Or maybe they see the party as intertwined with minorities.
They're stereotypically Republican: old, white, fearful of anybody with melanin and blame the left for everything. They'll say "we hated Obama for eight long years" and when you ask why? What did he do that you hated so much? "We're not racists!!!1!" Like, ok? That's not an answer.
I’m sure too many low information voters his claim to fame was simply his name on big buildings and the TV show where he played the business guru judging everybody.
I hear this a lot. It's what gets me about the polling for this election being so close - in the last eight years, who has Trump actually attracted? Who exists that is like "I voted for Hillary and Biden, but I won't be fooled again!"
The learning really seems to go one way.
I lose sleep over this as well. There is a lot of evidence to suggest the polls are just wrong. Republicans have a long and consistent string of bad election losses since 2016. But still... In 2020 Biden was up in national polls and barely won. So if the same methodology is showing him down then what gives?
The media wants a horse race. Plain and simple.
I think its because a lot of people who are voting for biden are not answering polls.
I get messages about these polls daily now and its annoying AF. But I never answer them ever. I know a bunch of people my age in my community won't answer them either.
I can 100% forgive people who voted for him the first time around but later realized that was a mistake.
If you never watched his show, heard about the lawsuits against him, knew anyone he stifted on payments, heard him interviewed on Howard Stern or heard him speaking at rallies, sure.
Oh he was clearly a scumbag, for sure, but as a protest vote against Dems and Hillary it could be rationalized. I don't think many knew how much lasting damage he would do. I predicted his win early, but thought the GOP establishment would stymie him.
Before 2016 I didn't know much about him aside from he's a rich dude with a golden tower who used to host a show. I can see someone not really paying attention i. 2016 and voting for him just because.
People who pay so little attention absolutely should not vote.
Yeah that's a part of the problem. A democratic Republic like ours requires an informed populace, and ideally high turnout. We are a nation of mostly apathetic idiots. It doesn't jive.
Ah, yes. That salt-of-the-Earth everydayman that i can relate to. Not one of them filthy "coastal elites" that are destroying this fine country!
That’s actually a chunk of the population. They don’t really care about politics but people they know who do are republicans and tell them what they think.
My family is republican, so I have to occasionally watch second hand fox news. THEY NEVER LET TRUMP SPEAK FOR LONG. Seriously, it's only 5 second clips, then back to the anchors that then tell their audience what to think about Trump. Whenever they interview him, they're quick to cut the feed if she starts going senile.
We'll have to excuse them if we don't want to label them.
But frankly speaking, if people realised what a disaster Trump was going to be the first time round, while not living in the US, being a citizen or even being eligible to vote in the USA, then how come your fellow countryman didn't know better.
I remember showering to a German song titled (translated) "Hurra, the world is going to end" the day the result of the elections 2016 were published.
imagine having Trump-worshipers in-laws.
oh wait, I don't have to imagine, that's just my reality.
FML.
(my wife is cool tho)
Ypur the fucking problem here. Going to extremes and shouting at teacher aboyt how you hate each other is exactly what both sides want. They want you distracted with your petty little issues while they consolidate your wealth in their pockets.
You used to be the laughibg stock of the western world and it seems that all Americans regardless of political outlook have no intention of changing that.