The entire opening ceremony was riddled with elements that were exaggerated specifically to give the middle finger to people who can't help but force their personal religious beliefs on others. And seeing how riled up they've been getting over it, I must say it worked.
The sad part is, that this just gives them more ammo. Having said that though, they look for ammo constantly, even without olympics they would find something else.
i'm glad they're triggered. fuck christians.
Who cares
But only against christians, no othetlr religion or lack thereof.
Pretty sure some of these other religions have a problem with scantily clad women, gay people and drag queens. That you think this was "only against christians" is pretty telling.
I would imagine if it was a bunch of straight people in silly costumes we would be having a very different conversation... Maybe about how art was once part of the Olympics. That would be a fun thing to talk about.
"How dare the queers..." is so tiring a conversation to keep having over and over.
I'm having this exact discussion with someone else in the comments. There are so many parodies of this painting but this is the one that causes outrage. I wonder why....
So you’re indignant that the middle finger was only to Christians? And not everyone else? Weird hill to die on. And I’m pretty sure the middle finger wasn’t specifically to Christians, but to literally every moron with a stick up their ass about what other people do in their personal lives.
Also, the “lack thereof” is called atheism and attacking atheism is like attacking someone for not collecting stamps (to bastardize Penn Jillette). Quite a waste of time and effort.
That's because other religions are minorities in the West and get too much hate and vitriol as it is.
Isnt the olympics about unity? If you have to single out a group to make fun of, maybe you shouldnt
Wow get over your jurt feelings because of a, ... checks notes ..., a screenplay with colored people or gays or something.
Aren't you christians supposed to be inclusive and not hating bigots?
Grow up lol.
Really? They fully declared the performance was unquestionably for Christians? Not everything in the world is about Jesus.
It was literally the Last Supper. I dont know how much more christian specific you can get
it literally was not. i guess you skipped most of this discussion? and the article itself? it’s explained what it was a scene from. (hint: not from christianity).
Da Vinci’s the last supper is much more of an art accomplishment than a symbol of Christianity. I’ve seen soooo many parodies of the last supper that just wanted to make a simple joke using something people recognize. Again, not everything is about religion, for example, the satanic temple has “Christian symbols” but is a fully securely belief system.
Edit: so it turns out they were actually doing “Jan Harmensz van Biljert's Feast of the Gods, painted +/- 1635”. It’s the most Christian thing to do to just assume cause it reminds you of your symbolism, you get to restrict how people use it.
Rejecting your religion's bigotry is not "singling you out".
nah. fuck christians.
Not unity specifically. Excellence, Respect and Friendship without discrimination. Technically "unity" is not a core mission statement and what is considered culturally significant is left to the host country to decide.
Is a fashion show featuring people dressed to reference Greek Gods off brand for the French?Not really. Historically speaking the Nobility used to employ people to dress up to become Greek gods in tableau to serve as living lawn ornements.
The original Olympics, both the ancient practice and the og international competition used to also feature arts and culture. Since the painting they were referencing was not the Last Supper and about Greek Gods it wasn't an intended act of disrespect or division ... But other forces are definitely choosing to make it so based on the idea that these things should be of the broadest possible appeal.
isn’t faith about humility? it’s arrogant to turn a celebration of a different culture into an attack on one’s “faith” yet we see cosplay christians do this literally every single day. spiritual materialism isn’t spiritual in any way. it’s using the trappings of religion like a weapon to attack others and gain power over them. it’s not about any relationship with God, or following any teachings. no faith in any god is shown by such reactions. it’s selfish, quick to anger, blind, unforgiving, arrogant, hypersensitive, and morally wrong.
they think that. somehow it doesn’t occurs to the “christians” that the olympics aren’t about them and aren’t focused on them at all. it wasn’t the last supper. it was homage to greek and french culture and history. because the olympics originated in greece and are being held in france. sheesh.
And we aren't the ones beheading teachers and shooting up art studios
No, you're just the ones producing most of the stochastic terrorism in the US
The Bible doesn't say to commit terrorism.
And yet Christians keep doing it in the name of their god
Unfortunately.
So you guys just do it for fun, then?
That's a worse reason, you do understand that?
I haven't committed terrorism, I don't plan on committing terrorism, I don't support committing terrorism, so I won't defend those who are committing terrorism. And you're right, it is a worse reason.
Yes, because condemning terrorism is also terrorism. Do you guys even hear yourself?
do you guys even hear yourself
Given what you said has nothing to do with what I said I ask the same back to you, buddy
An event that's supposed to bring people together, instead purposely creates division. I'm agnostic af, but I can clearly see this is bad taste.
If you like creating division, then by all means celebrate it I guess...
They included everyone who has been excluded from the beginning and made a statement that they will not pander to those who want them excluded anymore. Those who were angry at this are those who wanted to keep these people excluded. I'd say it's a pace in a good direction to bring people together. There is only a group of people who will need to learn they can't force their way on others anymore.
For crying out loud had these people had their way again we wouldn't even have had that badass metal music show in front of the Bastille Conciergerie, where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death.
badass metal music show in front of the Bastille.
Didn’t realize that was in front of the Bastille, you can’t get more anti authoritarian than that.
My bad, the building it took place at was La Conciergeie, which is the location where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death. The Bastille no longer exists.
But I mean, the anti-authoritarian vibe immediately peaked at the beginning with a beheaded Marie-Antoinette singing about hanging the aristocrats.
It's the agnostics who want to force our churches to go woke in Europe.
The other way around. It's the agnostics who defend your right to do whatever you want inside your church, as long as it isn't illegal. It's outside your stupid church you don't get to say or command anything. And that's what offends religious folks. Losing the power to force others to obey your religion is not oppression, leave us the fuck alone.
Learn to read. “the Archbishop of Canterbury’s views have sway around the Commonwealth and beyond […] the Lords Spiritual number 26 votes in our unelected upper chamber of parliament. These people still have power. ” That's a religious issue within that religion that affects non-religious people. You see how that reinforces my point? I don't fucking care whatever the the church end up deciding to do because I don't fucking belong to that church and therefore that stupid church has no power over my life. But when the assholess inside the church influence civil decisions, then that becomes a problem. Either get out of political life, or change and accept that your worldview not only sucks, but isn't supported anymore.
Ah yes, inclusion is division. Good double speak here.
No no, you don't get it. They don't like drag, and we should've known christian's don't like drag and wouldn't want to go to a drag show. So by us doing them anyways, knowing they won't be there, we're excluding them by not excluding them while they exclude themselves. We're the assholes y'all.
We’re the assholes y’all.
ah damn it, if you put it like that.
The only people creating division are religious people who can't switch off their offended brain for once and laugh a little.
Same logic can be applied to people being (rightfully) outraged at blackface
Since you bring up logic, the logical fallacy you're displaying is called the false equivalence fallacy. Blackface is outrageous because the purpose is to demonize and humiliate black people. The purpose of drag is to CELEBRATE freedom of feminine expression, regardless of sex/gender. One is inherently exclusive, while the other is inherently inclusive.
And the purpose of mocking Christianity is...? I didn't mention drag here.
You're dissenting in a thread about Christians hating drag. It's implied you're talking about drag. Further, blackface is a common dog whisle the alt-right uses to attempt to demonize drag.
I haven't mocked Christians in a very long time. Some people are mocking Christians, but the intent of the original performance, and the intent of this thread, is very clearly to mock people that USE Christianity as ammunition against people and things they don't like. Which is (obviously) an exclusionary act.. Which the Olympics is against, given that it exists to bring people with differences together... Hence, the performance..
Sure show us the other times you've complained about the parodies and we'll start believing you.
Whataboutism
That's not how whataboutism works. You claim parodies of the last supper offend you, that it has nothing to do with drag queens. It should be easy to provide examples of that given the painting has been parodied dozens, if not hundreds, of times. There are even plenty of examples on the fediverse with a cursory search:
You're notably absent in the comments. Heck, at this point, any Christian religious image should do.
Ah yes, because I am very active on AI, hobbit, anime and furry threads. Maybe I should start patrolling the furry communities to make sure nobody is blaspheming Christ 🙄
So, no other examples of you taking issue with parodies of christian art on Lemmy or elsewhere, correct? You've had plenty of time since I posted those links to tell each of the OPs how you feel about their depictions of the last supper. Why not go ahead and do that now?
It's Christianity causing the division. Not the inclusions of the LGBT.
Drag !== LGBT.
LGBT is Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, three sexual orientations, and Transgender- a modifier of gender expression.
Drag is a performance.
if you have to conform to what a single group wants while ignoring the actual countries who created the games and those who host them, that’s not”bringing people together” it’s just giving in to narrow views and acting as if only one group has legitimacy and the right to decide on anything. there is no “bringing together” of different people and things in that.
The entire opening ceremony was riddled with elements that were exaggerated specifically to give the middle finger to people who can't help but force their personal religious beliefs on others. And seeing how riled up they've been getting over it, I must say it worked.
The sad part is, that this just gives them more ammo. Having said that though, they look for ammo constantly, even without olympics they would find something else.
i'm glad they're triggered. fuck christians.
Who cares
But only against christians, no othetlr religion or lack thereof.
Pretty sure some of these other religions have a problem with scantily clad women, gay people and drag queens. That you think this was "only against christians" is pretty telling.
I would imagine if it was a bunch of straight people in silly costumes we would be having a very different conversation... Maybe about how art was once part of the Olympics. That would be a fun thing to talk about.
"How dare the queers..." is so tiring a conversation to keep having over and over.
I'm having this exact discussion with someone else in the comments. There are so many parodies of this painting but this is the one that causes outrage. I wonder why....
So you’re indignant that the middle finger was only to Christians? And not everyone else? Weird hill to die on. And I’m pretty sure the middle finger wasn’t specifically to Christians, but to literally every moron with a stick up their ass about what other people do in their personal lives.
Also, the “lack thereof” is called atheism and attacking atheism is like attacking someone for not collecting stamps (to bastardize Penn Jillette). Quite a waste of time and effort.
That's because other religions are minorities in the West and get too much hate and vitriol as it is.
Isnt the olympics about unity? If you have to single out a group to make fun of, maybe you shouldnt
Wow get over your jurt feelings because of a, ... checks notes ..., a screenplay with colored people or gays or something.
Aren't you christians supposed to be inclusive and not hating bigots?
Grow up lol.
Really? They fully declared the performance was unquestionably for Christians? Not everything in the world is about Jesus.
It was literally the Last Supper. I dont know how much more christian specific you can get
it literally was not. i guess you skipped most of this discussion? and the article itself? it’s explained what it was a scene from. (hint: not from christianity).
Da Vinci’s the last supper is much more of an art accomplishment than a symbol of Christianity. I’ve seen soooo many parodies of the last supper that just wanted to make a simple joke using something people recognize. Again, not everything is about religion, for example, the satanic temple has “Christian symbols” but is a fully securely belief system.
Edit: so it turns out they were actually doing “Jan Harmensz van Biljert's Feast of the Gods, painted +/- 1635”. It’s the most Christian thing to do to just assume cause it reminds you of your symbolism, you get to restrict how people use it.
Rejecting your religion's bigotry is not "singling you out".
nah. fuck christians.
Not unity specifically. Excellence, Respect and Friendship without discrimination. Technically "unity" is not a core mission statement and what is considered culturally significant is left to the host country to decide.
Is a fashion show featuring people dressed to reference Greek Gods off brand for the French?Not really. Historically speaking the Nobility used to employ people to dress up to become Greek gods in tableau to serve as living lawn ornements.
The original Olympics, both the ancient practice and the og international competition used to also feature arts and culture. Since the painting they were referencing was not the Last Supper and about Greek Gods it wasn't an intended act of disrespect or division ... But other forces are definitely choosing to make it so based on the idea that these things should be of the broadest possible appeal.
isn’t faith about humility? it’s arrogant to turn a celebration of a different culture into an attack on one’s “faith” yet we see cosplay christians do this literally every single day. spiritual materialism isn’t spiritual in any way. it’s using the trappings of religion like a weapon to attack others and gain power over them. it’s not about any relationship with God, or following any teachings. no faith in any god is shown by such reactions. it’s selfish, quick to anger, blind, unforgiving, arrogant, hypersensitive, and morally wrong.
they think that. somehow it doesn’t occurs to the “christians” that the olympics aren’t about them and aren’t focused on them at all. it wasn’t the last supper. it was homage to greek and french culture and history. because the olympics originated in greece and are being held in france. sheesh.
And we aren't the ones beheading teachers and shooting up art studios
No, you're just the ones producing most of the stochastic terrorism in the US
The Bible doesn't say to commit terrorism.
And yet Christians keep doing it in the name of their god
Unfortunately.
So you guys just do it for fun, then?
That's a worse reason, you do understand that?
I haven't committed terrorism, I don't plan on committing terrorism, I don't support committing terrorism, so I won't defend those who are committing terrorism. And you're right, it is a worse reason.
Yes, because condemning terrorism is also terrorism. Do you guys even hear yourself?
Given what you said has nothing to do with what I said I ask the same back to you, buddy
An event that's supposed to bring people together, instead purposely creates division. I'm agnostic af, but I can clearly see this is bad taste.
If you like creating division, then by all means celebrate it I guess...
They included everyone who has been excluded from the beginning and made a statement that they will not pander to those who want them excluded anymore. Those who were angry at this are those who wanted to keep these people excluded. I'd say it's a pace in a good direction to bring people together. There is only a group of people who will need to learn they can't force their way on others anymore.
For crying out loud had these people had their way again we wouldn't even have had that badass metal music show in front of the
BastilleConciergerie, where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death.Didn’t realize that was in front of the Bastille, you can’t get more anti authoritarian than that.
My bad, the building it took place at was La Conciergeie, which is the location where Marie Antoinette was trialed and sentenced to death. The Bastille no longer exists.
But I mean, the anti-authoritarian vibe immediately peaked at the beginning with a beheaded Marie-Antoinette singing about hanging the aristocrats.
It's the agnostics who want to force our churches to go woke in Europe.
The other way around. It's the agnostics who defend your right to do whatever you want inside your church, as long as it isn't illegal. It's outside your stupid church you don't get to say or command anything. And that's what offends religious folks. Losing the power to force others to obey your religion is not oppression, leave us the fuck alone.
That's not always the case
Learn to read. “the Archbishop of Canterbury’s views have sway around the Commonwealth and beyond […] the Lords Spiritual number 26 votes in our unelected upper chamber of parliament. These people still have power. ” That's a religious issue within that religion that affects non-religious people. You see how that reinforces my point? I don't fucking care whatever the the church end up deciding to do because I don't fucking belong to that church and therefore that stupid church has no power over my life. But when the assholess inside the church influence civil decisions, then that becomes a problem. Either get out of political life, or change and accept that your worldview not only sucks, but isn't supported anymore.
Ah yes, inclusion is division. Good double speak here.
No no, you don't get it. They don't like drag, and we should've known christian's don't like drag and wouldn't want to go to a drag show. So by us doing them anyways, knowing they won't be there, we're excluding them by not excluding them while they exclude themselves. We're the assholes y'all.
ah damn it, if you put it like that.
The only people creating division are religious people who can't switch off their offended brain for once and laugh a little.
Same logic can be applied to people being (rightfully) outraged at blackface
Since you bring up logic, the logical fallacy you're displaying is called the false equivalence fallacy. Blackface is outrageous because the purpose is to demonize and humiliate black people. The purpose of drag is to CELEBRATE freedom of feminine expression, regardless of sex/gender. One is inherently exclusive, while the other is inherently inclusive.
And the purpose of mocking Christianity is...? I didn't mention drag here.
You're dissenting in a thread about Christians hating drag. It's implied you're talking about drag. Further, blackface is a common dog whisle the alt-right uses to attempt to demonize drag.
I haven't mocked Christians in a very long time. Some people are mocking Christians, but the intent of the original performance, and the intent of this thread, is very clearly to mock people that USE Christianity as ammunition against people and things they don't like. Which is (obviously) an exclusionary act.. Which the Olympics is against, given that it exists to bring people with differences together... Hence, the performance..
Are you this outraged every other time someone parodies the Last Supper?. Sounds like your issue is not parodies of a Christian scene but the parody being done by drag queens.
Yes.
Sure show us the other times you've complained about the parodies and we'll start believing you.
Whataboutism
That's not how whataboutism works. You claim parodies of the last supper offend you, that it has nothing to do with drag queens. It should be easy to provide examples of that given the painting has been parodied dozens, if not hundreds, of times. There are even plenty of examples on the fediverse with a cursory search:
https://pawb.social/post/10067798
https://lemmy.world/post/14797437
https://lemmy.world/post/14556516
https://lemmy.world/post/12149829
https://lemmy.today/post/5285838
https://lemmy.world/post/8691455
https://lemmy.world/post/7935820
https://hobbit.world/post/10124
You're notably absent in the comments. Heck, at this point, any Christian religious image should do.
Ah yes, because I am very active on AI, hobbit, anime and furry threads. Maybe I should start patrolling the furry communities to make sure nobody is blaspheming Christ 🙄
So, no other examples of you taking issue with parodies of christian art on Lemmy or elsewhere, correct? You've had plenty of time since I posted those links to tell each of the OPs how you feel about their depictions of the last supper. Why not go ahead and do that now?
Wtf
It's Christianity causing the division. Not the inclusions of the LGBT.
Drag !== LGBT.
LGBT is Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, three sexual orientations, and Transgender- a modifier of gender expression.
Drag is a performance.
if you have to conform to what a single group wants while ignoring the actual countries who created the games and those who host them, that’s not”bringing people together” it’s just giving in to narrow views and acting as if only one group has legitimacy and the right to decide on anything. there is no “bringing together” of different people and things in that.