[Rant] I swear to fucking god. Windows is harder to use than Linux. Have any of you ever USED Windows lately? Holy fuck.

PeterPoopshit@lemmy.world to Linux@lemmy.ml – 306 points –

I'm helping a family member build a pc. He wanted to use Windows because "Linux can't play games" despite me having a perfectly good gaming laptop running Linux that runs all my games, even graphically intensive ones.

2 days later, no game has been played yet. We can't even get steam to start. I even installed Arch on a sata ssd I donated just to verify the pc parts actually work (took less than an hour). It took 1 and a half days to even get the Windows 11 installer to get past like the 3rd screen.

Fucking fuck. Dealing with all this fucking bullshit is far worse than not being able to play a few trashy anticheat pay 2 win games. The anti Linux circlejerk is real.

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People have trouble installing Windows? You enter a license key and click next a couple times.

You missed the part where you either sign in with your Microsoft account or cut your Internet, remove the webcam, fake your own death, and do the secret tap code in the bios to just have the OS without letting Microsoft into your butthole.

Windows 11 doesn't force you do any of that. Just skip the sign in. Your points were valid in 8/10 era but no more.

It depends on the version, but yes, it does. It's especially a problem on prebuilt machines and laptops. It is incredibly annoying to work with in a corporate environment. Our helpdesk tech comes to me with issues related to this probably three times a week. I gave up with work arounds and we just have a throwaway Microsoft account now.

Rufus has workarounds for the mandatory login.

Who is this Rufus fellow? Is he like Tux?

Windows app for flashing ISOs to your USB. It provides additional options for flashing Windows 11.

He's that chill future guy from Bill & Ted's excellent adventure.

I've seen that before, but when I proposed that as a solution it was shot down due to being unsupported by Microsoft. I just wish they had an OEM option to skip it.

Not true. 11 very much still forces you to use an MS account.

There is a secret command you can do to setup without Internet. But they hide it on the startup command line.

On the “Oops, you’ve lost internet connection” or “Let’s connect you to a network” page, use the “Shift + F10” keyboard shortcut.

In Command Prompt, type the OOBE\BYPASSNRO command to bypass network requirements on Windows 11 and press Enter.

You can just enter a fake Microsoft account and password. When it doesn't work, it gives the option to continue with an offline account (or at least whatever version I installed did)

Very much doesn't my guy.

Home won't let you do domain join, I think you have to go halfway through setup then select local account.

Why would absolutely anyone on this sub install Home? Microsoft themselves make a multi-edition .iso available on their website. And funnily enough now, Microsoft supports the hosting of massgravel. Should it take as many steps as it does two make a local account? No, but it's literally two extra clicks.

We are talking about a product not for ourselves. Pro is twice the price of home as well.

I just installed 11 recently. There isn't a skip button anymore. I had to enter fake sign in details for it to give me the "offline" option.

So it seems like their point may still stand.

Someone pointed out that Pro version still doesn't require sign in. I've only dealt with Pro and didn't know it's different than Home in this thing. Sorry for being overly confident.

That's not accurate. The new versions of Windows 11 make you restart the OOBE with a flag to disable the MS login requirement. His points also weren't valid during the 8/10 era, because back then you could just click offline experience at the bottom left. You didn't even need to disable WiFi, just don't connect.

Edit: Seems Pro lets you install without an account, home does not. Most of the laptops I've worked on come with home.

Ah I'm sorry I've installed Win11 on several computers but they've all been Pro version. I didn't know that Home is different.

Nah its understandable. I had no idea it was different either.

Not true on Windows 11 home that ships with new hardware. You need to disable all network connections and run some terminal commands to set up a local account. It is not convenient at all. Granted you can easily add a local account, after you have set it up with a Microsoft account, but that sort of defeats the purpose.

Try doing it on a b650 motherboard that's so new the windows installer doesn't even have the correct ahci drivers

I bought a Ryzen 7 7800X3D and an Asrock X670E, I was upgrading and just transferred my Windows install but still.... No issues.

I'm no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.

I’m no huge fan of Windows, but it sounds like you had (No offense) PEBKAC errors.

I think so too and no offense meant to OP as well.

I am an early adopter of all things tech and so I had a Gigabyte Xtreme X670E mobo on pretty much day 1 to go with a 7950X. Everything worked fine on both Windows 11 and Linux despite being a pimped-up mobo and brand new CPU. At this much later date, OP's B650 mobo should be working without a hitch, especially with Windows (and almost certainly with Linux as well).

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Same on many linux distros but without having to enter a license key

Nah you have to spend at least an hour researching how to not create an account (spoiler: ther is no option, you just have to not connect it to the internet)

It's a joke post. Which makes it extra funny, and quite sad, how many of the comment seem to think it's serious and are unironically chiming in with complaints.

OPs username is "Peter Poopshit", I wouldn't take anything they post seriously.

I saw SatansMaggotyShitFart or something like that making normal conversation yesterday.

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