We cannot have a fair debate without dedicated fact-checkers that pause the candidates and refute the lies from Trump (sure, and Biden if he does). Anything less is just letting him continue his strategy of spewing falsehoods faster than they can be corrected.
Trump will just dismiss the fact-checkers as biased and continue.
This is why there should be no audience at such things and the mic should go utterly dead when they violate the rules and/or it's not their turn.
In saner times we didn't need a law that prohibits a felon from becoming president or need a cut-off switch because psychopaths weren't even in presidential debates.
Yep. But here we are, so what do we do about it?
and they'll say "OMG they're censoring trump because they can't handle the truth deep state lizard people!!!oneone"
You're right, he will regardless. Time to stop making decisions based on what his illogical cult believes...
Trump DID in fact have an executive order in place that capped the price of insulin and EpiPens when he left, which Biden immediately froze on his first day in office.
It's very debatable if trump's EO would have capped the price of Insulin or Epipens in a meaningful way - and its factually wrong that it was the same cap and legislation that Biden put into place.
Trump's EO meant that Federally Qualified Health Centers would have to offer Insulin and Epinephrine to "Low Income Individuals" without health insurance "at the discounted price paid by the FQHC grantee or sub-grantee under the 340B Prescription Drug Program” plus a “minimal” fee.
From your own link, FQHCs already had a requirement to not charge anything to people in poverty, so "If ‘low income’ is defined as under 100% of poverty, this may not really change anything. Even if the income level is set somewhat higher, most patients likely would still have been protected by the sliding fee scale without this change".
This link, like your others, is from 2020. I don't know how "low income" would actually have been defined since it wasn't scheduled to come into place until Jan 22nd - during Biden's administration.
It's true that Biden froze this - as others have mentioned in this thread, he put a 60 day freeze on all pending legislature when taking office, which is a fairly standard practice.
Biden's own Insulin cap was part of the Inflation Reduction Act, and capped the price of Insulin to $35 monthly for products covered by Medicare D.
So yeah I concede that it's an oversimplification to say that Trump did nothing and Biden did everything, but... the Insulin cap is Biden's legislation. Trump did not cap Insulin or Epipen prices during his 4 years in office.
According to Bloomberg Law, "A regulatory pause is a common tradition among incoming presidents to ensure that the unfinished policies from the prior administration align with the new one."
The freeze ended March 22nd and the cap is in affect.
*effect
So Trump isn't wrong then when he says Biden is taking credit for something he already did, is he.
Executive orders, like Trump's insulin price cap, can easily be undone.
Biden signed the IRA, which permanently capped insulin prices. So Trump is wrong when he says Biden "had NOTHING to do with it".
Yes, it's possible that Biden improved on Trump's solution by making it an actual law rather than an EO.
Either way, this is really just political posturing from both sides. Both of them are exaggerating their own achievements in order to dunk on their opponent when in reality, each of them just made incremental improvements.
Whee, it's both sides time!
What do Trump's balls taste like? Wait, never mind; I didn't actually want to know...
Yes, welcome to the end game of a two party system. Now vote for the guy who doesn't have a violent extremist group under his wing. Then we can implement ranked choice when democracy doesn't die. You call yourself MacN'Cheezus but you are talking like MacN'Cheelzebub.
Yes. Trump is lying again.
The price cap on insulin passed by congress and signed by Biden is an actual price cap. The EO from Trump was not. It was words with no effect for most insulin users
Trump has absolutely no shame, he's a narcissist liar piece of shit. It's more like for a small bribe he would try to prevent it.
It's just the power of muddying the waters. Very effective when you largely control the narrative in your massive echo-chamber created by a right-wing media ecosystem. Any boomer/Gen x fox news viewer will now just think Donald did it and look no further.
Yes, because the corrupt parts of the media of USA allow it. The way half the American media are reporting, wouldn't be legal in EU.
It wasn't legal in the US either under the Fairness Doctrine until Reagan abolished it in 1987.
Any boomer/Gen x fox news viewer will now just think Donald did it and look no further.
Nothing like those Millennial Fox News viewers
LOL, nailed it. This notion that somehow one generation is in some way superior to another and/or dealing with things that no one else ever has, etc....is so tired. As a Gen Xer who had to live through years and years of boomers more or less repeating stuff about younger generations that was said about them...all the while, sucking all the air out of the room, simply because of their numbers.
The notion of a "generation" is largely a marketing fiction and another way to slice and dice the population up in order to divide and conquer. Don't fall for it. If anyone thinks about it for one minute they'll realize it's mostly a numbers game. Why do/did we hear so much about boomers for so many years? Numbers. Why do we mostly hear about millennials after that, almost always skipping Gen X, for the most part? Numbers.
There is evidence there is a generational shift that occurred with millennials that sets them apart from GenX and Boomers; the trend of millennials getting more conservative as they age is significantly reduced compared to Boomers and GenX of the same age. This according to PEW.
That said I'll say I didn't realize how many millennials make up Fox News (though I wonder how much that has to do sports or happenstance with their employment showing it in the break room).
I want to believe it. The cynic in me says....we'll see if it holds. However, I seem to remember the same sorts of things being said of Gen X and the boomers at some point. I really do wonder if it will be different in Gen Y/Z/alpha.
We can only hope...
I think the trend of decreasing religion might be a good sign, too, but I'm not sure yet. Let's talk after this year's election to see which way the ship is turning, I guess.
Also: in addition to Gen Y, there is also Gen Z and Gen alpha...they are not any more likely to be resistant to manipulation than any other generation that came before or will come after. Not until/unless we start getting some kind of brain-computer interface or other augmentation as a species that will enable virtually everyone to flag all the constant barrage of logically fallacies, disinformation, and so on.
That should be the aim of education, but so little actual education goes on within our institutions to enable this capability, and I really do think the only way future/current generation would truly advance is if something truly game-changing (in human behaviors - think along transhumanist lines) comes down the pike...
Computer literacy alone makes younger generations more resistant to bullshit. Clickbait, viruses, ad clicks... If you've ever worked in tech you see it. Older folks are just going to believe bullshit as fact without a second thought while the vast majority of my peers would roll their eyes. If course Gen Alpha who is onlu 14 tops might still be at the early stage of the learning curve but will rapidly catch up.
I work in tech. Shrug. I am not convinced that computer literacy alone makes someone any more immunized against, say, logical fallacies and social engineering. Although, yes, someone seeing their peers constantly pitched the usual cons you mention, yeah, maybe against those specific, very narrow tactics. It's kind of like most everyone that joined the net in the early days would point and laugh about the MAKE.MONEY.FAST scam or Nigerian princes, while the people that had joined later (regardless of age) were sometimes falling for the same stuff...for most people, once they see these specific patterns, they will reject them later.
It really is incredible how certain people literally have no shame. I wonder if it's a form of psychopathy.
It is, Trump is literally a malignant narcissist, sociopath and psychopath and a pathological liar. Meaning he lies to put himself in a better light, and to hurt people on purpose.
Trump is a natural in gaslighting, it's not even an effort to him. It's the way he thinks all the time.
It's absolutely insane that about half of USA support him. It's a country where a large part of the population is collectively mentally ill.
Let's just say that mental health is not a high priority in the US. It is so bad we let our politicians gaslight and lie to us without any consequences.
Gotta love how far too many are going to believe him anyway and there's really nothing you can do about it. Wild times.
Journalism seems dead
Constantly calling everything fake news or woke to erode their supporters trust in the media is fascism 101.
I remember when Trump tried to claim credit for pharmacies putting price caps on a variety of medicines by a bill he passed, when that bill changed nothing because it was already a policy the pharmacies had enacted years prior.
That's what Biden did last year when he claimed they negotiated lower meds for Medicare. When in reality the patents were expiring in those drugs and lower cost generics were about to hit the market anyway
Tell him that insulin price caps are WOKE DEI CRT GROOMER stuff.
I don't know, this seems like small potatoes compared to the fascism.
You mean the cap trump had in place before Biden struck it down?
Never miss an opportunity to jump in and waive that big 'Biden Bad' flag do ya?
They are projecting like Republicans do, and like MAGA, BlueMAGA is rallying around their flavor of fascism.
Accuse others of doing what you are guilty of.
Trying desperately to paint them both the same is a tired old schtick.
Trump signed an executive order to put it in place later. Biden on day one paused everything to vet whether it aligned with where he wanted to steer the country. He decided to not do that by something as flimsy as an executive order and made it a piece of a big bill that was signed into law, protecting it beyond the whims of a future president. Trump's administration deserves credit for mobilizing it, but executive orders probably don't have the teeth to actually make that idea come true and definitely are far from permanent. Now it is the law of the land, and that's because it went through both parts of Congress and then was signed into law. It is indisputable that charging more for insulin is against the law, and this law was a textbook case of legislating constitutionally. Big pharma has no grounds for suing or not complying, but they might've if it were just an executive order.
You used more words in this explanation than that guy has ever read.
We cannot have a fair debate without dedicated fact-checkers that pause the candidates and refute the lies from Trump (sure, and Biden if he does). Anything less is just letting him continue his strategy of spewing falsehoods faster than they can be corrected.
Trump will just dismiss the fact-checkers as biased and continue.
This is why there should be no audience at such things and the mic should go utterly dead when they violate the rules and/or it's not their turn.
In saner times we didn't need a law that prohibits a felon from becoming president or need a cut-off switch because psychopaths weren't even in presidential debates.
Yep. But here we are, so what do we do about it?
and they'll say "OMG they're censoring trump because they can't handle the truth deep state lizard people!!!oneone"
You're right, he will regardless. Time to stop making decisions based on what his illogical cult believes...
Trump DID in fact have an executive order in place that capped the price of insulin and EpiPens when he left, which Biden immediately froze on his first day in office.
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/biden-insulin-epipen/
https://factcheck.afp.com/trumps-insulin-order-frozen-not-scrapped-biden
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2021/01/30/fact-check-biden-freezes-rule-health-center-insulin-epipen-prices/4254921001/
https://www.factcheck.org/2020/07/trumps-executive-orders-on-prescription-drugs/
It's very debatable if trump's EO would have capped the price of Insulin or Epipens in a meaningful way - and its factually wrong that it was the same cap and legislation that Biden put into place.
Trump's EO meant that Federally Qualified Health Centers would have to offer Insulin and Epinephrine to "Low Income Individuals" without health insurance "at the discounted price paid by the FQHC grantee or sub-grantee under the 340B Prescription Drug Program” plus a “minimal” fee.
From your own link, FQHCs already had a requirement to not charge anything to people in poverty, so "If ‘low income’ is defined as under 100% of poverty, this may not really change anything. Even if the income level is set somewhat higher, most patients likely would still have been protected by the sliding fee scale without this change".
This link, like your others, is from 2020. I don't know how "low income" would actually have been defined since it wasn't scheduled to come into place until Jan 22nd - during Biden's administration.
It's true that Biden froze this - as others have mentioned in this thread, he put a 60 day freeze on all pending legislature when taking office, which is a fairly standard practice.
Biden's own Insulin cap was part of the Inflation Reduction Act, and capped the price of Insulin to $35 monthly for products covered by Medicare D.
So yeah I concede that it's an oversimplification to say that Trump did nothing and Biden did everything, but... the Insulin cap is Biden's legislation. Trump did not cap Insulin or Epipen prices during his 4 years in office.
The freeze ended March 22nd and the cap is in affect.
*effect
So Trump isn't wrong then when he says Biden is taking credit for something he already did, is he.
Executive orders, like Trump's insulin price cap, can easily be undone.
Biden signed the IRA, which permanently capped insulin prices. So Trump is wrong when he says Biden "had NOTHING to do with it".
Yes, it's possible that Biden improved on Trump's solution by making it an actual law rather than an EO.
Either way, this is really just political posturing from both sides. Both of them are exaggerating their own achievements in order to dunk on their opponent when in reality, each of them just made incremental improvements.
Whee, it's both sides time!
What do Trump's balls taste like? Wait, never mind; I didn't actually want to know...
Yes, welcome to the end game of a two party system. Now vote for the guy who doesn't have a violent extremist group under his wing. Then we can implement ranked choice when democracy doesn't die. You call yourself MacN'Cheezus but you are talking like MacN'Cheelzebub.
Yes. Trump is lying again.
The price cap on insulin passed by congress and signed by Biden is an actual price cap. The EO from Trump was not. It was words with no effect for most insulin users
Trump has absolutely no shame, he's a narcissist liar piece of shit. It's more like for a small bribe he would try to prevent it.
It's just the power of muddying the waters. Very effective when you largely control the narrative in your massive echo-chamber created by a right-wing media ecosystem. Any boomer/Gen x fox news viewer will now just think Donald did it and look no further.
Yes, because the corrupt parts of the media of USA allow it. The way half the American media are reporting, wouldn't be legal in EU.
It wasn't legal in the US either under the Fairness Doctrine until Reagan abolished it in 1987.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairness_doctrine
Nothing like those Millennial Fox News viewers
LOL, nailed it. This notion that somehow one generation is in some way superior to another and/or dealing with things that no one else ever has, etc....is so tired. As a Gen Xer who had to live through years and years of boomers more or less repeating stuff about younger generations that was said about them...all the while, sucking all the air out of the room, simply because of their numbers.
The notion of a "generation" is largely a marketing fiction and another way to slice and dice the population up in order to divide and conquer. Don't fall for it. If anyone thinks about it for one minute they'll realize it's mostly a numbers game. Why do/did we hear so much about boomers for so many years? Numbers. Why do we mostly hear about millennials after that, almost always skipping Gen X, for the most part? Numbers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HFwok9SlQQ
There is evidence there is a generational shift that occurred with millennials that sets them apart from GenX and Boomers; the trend of millennials getting more conservative as they age is significantly reduced compared to Boomers and GenX of the same age. This according to PEW.
That said I'll say I didn't realize how many millennials make up Fox News (though I wonder how much that has to do sports or happenstance with their employment showing it in the break room).
I want to believe it. The cynic in me says....we'll see if it holds. However, I seem to remember the same sorts of things being said of Gen X and the boomers at some point. I really do wonder if it will be different in Gen Y/Z/alpha.
We can only hope...
I think the trend of decreasing religion might be a good sign, too, but I'm not sure yet. Let's talk after this year's election to see which way the ship is turning, I guess.
Also: in addition to Gen Y, there is also Gen Z and Gen alpha...they are not any more likely to be resistant to manipulation than any other generation that came before or will come after. Not until/unless we start getting some kind of brain-computer interface or other augmentation as a species that will enable virtually everyone to flag all the constant barrage of logically fallacies, disinformation, and so on.
That should be the aim of education, but so little actual education goes on within our institutions to enable this capability, and I really do think the only way future/current generation would truly advance is if something truly game-changing (in human behaviors - think along transhumanist lines) comes down the pike...
Computer literacy alone makes younger generations more resistant to bullshit. Clickbait, viruses, ad clicks... If you've ever worked in tech you see it. Older folks are just going to believe bullshit as fact without a second thought while the vast majority of my peers would roll their eyes. If course Gen Alpha who is onlu 14 tops might still be at the early stage of the learning curve but will rapidly catch up.
I work in tech. Shrug. I am not convinced that computer literacy alone makes someone any more immunized against, say, logical fallacies and social engineering. Although, yes, someone seeing their peers constantly pitched the usual cons you mention, yeah, maybe against those specific, very narrow tactics. It's kind of like most everyone that joined the net in the early days would point and laugh about the MAKE.MONEY.FAST scam or Nigerian princes, while the people that had joined later (regardless of age) were sometimes falling for the same stuff...for most people, once they see these specific patterns, they will reject them later.
It really is incredible how certain people literally have no shame. I wonder if it's a form of psychopathy.
It is, Trump is literally a malignant narcissist, sociopath and psychopath and a pathological liar. Meaning he lies to put himself in a better light, and to hurt people on purpose.
Trump is a natural in gaslighting, it's not even an effort to him. It's the way he thinks all the time.
It's absolutely insane that about half of USA support him. It's a country where a large part of the population is collectively mentally ill.
Let's just say that mental health is not a high priority in the US. It is so bad we let our politicians gaslight and lie to us without any consequences.
Gotta love how far too many are going to believe him anyway and there's really nothing you can do about it. Wild times.
Journalism seems dead
Constantly calling everything fake news or woke to erode their supporters trust in the media is fascism 101.
I remember when Trump tried to claim credit for pharmacies putting price caps on a variety of medicines by a bill he passed, when that bill changed nothing because it was already a policy the pharmacies had enacted years prior.
That's what Biden did last year when he claimed they negotiated lower meds for Medicare. When in reality the patents were expiring in those drugs and lower cost generics were about to hit the market anyway
Tell him that insulin price caps are WOKE DEI CRT GROOMER stuff.
I don't know, this seems like small potatoes compared to the fascism.
You mean the cap trump had in place before Biden struck it down?
Never miss an opportunity to jump in and waive that big 'Biden Bad' flag do ya?
They are projecting like Republicans do, and like MAGA, BlueMAGA is rallying around their flavor of fascism.
Accuse others of doing what you are guilty of.
Trying desperately to paint them both the same is a tired old schtick.
They are the same paint
Says the blind guy.
[citation needed]
https://www.cms.gov/newsroom/press-releases/president-trump-announces-lower-out-pocket-insulin-costs-medicares-seniors
OPs article also addressed this
Trump signed an executive order to put it in place later. Biden on day one paused everything to vet whether it aligned with where he wanted to steer the country. He decided to not do that by something as flimsy as an executive order and made it a piece of a big bill that was signed into law, protecting it beyond the whims of a future president. Trump's administration deserves credit for mobilizing it, but executive orders probably don't have the teeth to actually make that idea come true and definitely are far from permanent. Now it is the law of the land, and that's because it went through both parts of Congress and then was signed into law. It is indisputable that charging more for insulin is against the law, and this law was a textbook case of legislating constitutionally. Big pharma has no grounds for suing or not complying, but they might've if it were just an executive order.
You used more words in this explanation than that guy has ever read.