Double negative confused me for a second and I was sad. Opposes the ban! Want gender affirming care available. Excellent.
Oh I missed that entirely. Sloppy writing, it should be arranged "opposes bans on gender affirming care".
Gotta get them clicks tho. Maybe we're at the beginning of a transition from, "shocking and attention-grabbing headlines," to, "attention-grabbing but also poorly written in a way that it'll agitate an even wider wash of readers"
Same! "Supports care" would have been an easier concept, though a little different from "opposes ban" I guess...
Lol same had to read it 2x đ
I find it quite common (and confusing) for certain news types like policy, eg âparty A reverses the disapproval to oppose the once-unacceptable banâ
Then morally don't do it yourself and leave everyone else to make their own decisions.
Why do so many people care about what other people do to their own bodies?
They oppose bans on care. But a slight majority thinks it's wrong to transition.
I think that's what you're looking for. They don't want to do it, but don't want to ban anyone who's doing it.
The title could've been more clear, thanks for providing that clarification
Yeah I'm glad everyone else was confused, too. I felt like the dumb one for thinking it was the opposite.
âBut a slight majority thinks it's wrong to transition.â
Looks like someone forgot what freedom was about and needs to be educated on it.
I think the people surveyed agree with you here. They're saying that they're opposed to the surgery, but they don't want to ban the surgeries even though they oppose them.
Minors aren't getting any surgeries.
Gender affirming care for trans kids involves seeing psychiatrists, social transitioning, and, if they're lucky, puberty blockers till they're old enough to decide whether they want to medically and surgically transition.
And thatâs a completely different issue thatâs totally separate from the anti trans laws being pushed by the right wing today.
You didn't get their point. The only children who are getting gender reassignment surgery are the ones who right wing doctors are trying to assign a gender to, despite medical consensus that it's unnecessary, he's calling the right wing misinformed and hypocritical
I agree with what you are saying here, Iâm just not sure that was the previous posters point.
It may have been, but it reads to me like they are just saying ânuh uhâ to the person above them.
volodya_ilich is correct! but also I think it would be useful to use this energy on both sides to prevent gender assignment surgeries on infants (even if the right does not realize the context?)
I am aware. I wasn't in the survey
They need to be informed that surgery alleviates gender dysphoria and saves tens of thousands in the long run from poor mental health to lessen productivity.
The healthcare system should cover every gender affirming care surgery available.
Don't accept their definition shifting. They wrap surgery into "gender affirming care" then say young children get GAC to make people think they're regularly performing surgery on 12 year olds. Hormone blockers are GAC too.
I know. I wasn't in the survey
There are many misconceptions here. For instance, a sizeable fraction of the public believes that minors receive a sex-change surgery (they donât) as opposed to just medication and therapy. I think most people are mostly worried that it is easy to transition and kids might do it without considering the consequences. These myths could be easily dispelled if they actually talk to transgenders.
Good point but please say transgender people instead as transgender is an adjective.
And we also should allow alcohol and drugs for minors. And weddings of course.
Kind of a weak argument, we currently ignore the first part almost entirely from a legal perspective, I don't remember the last time a child or parent got in trouble for a kid sneaking booze under age. They get in trouble for the things they do while drunk, but not the drinking itself. The parents get talked to, but unless they bought them the alcohol there's no repercussions.
As for the the weddings, they are still legal with no effective minimum age in 4 US states (and there are multiple marriages a year as young as 12) and about half the states only restrict it to age 16+
Medical and psychological consensus says we shouldn't allow children to marry or drink alcohol or do drugs. Where's the medical consensus that we shouldn't allow GRT?
False equivalent
That's so nice! I'm so happy for US folks! Here in the UK only 12% support Gender-affirming care for trans minors, most want it banned, most actually don't support it for adults either đ˘
Itâs really fucked up that so many people think itâs their place to be involved in other peopleâs personal medical decisions, especially when the medical guidelines are currently quite conservative, and based on medical consensus.
A lot of people are social authoritarians, but very few will admit it.
It's not called TERF Island for nothing!
Gosh, it's almost as though most people aren't hateful bigots. Hateful bigots should take note, but they won't. In fact, if they do it'll only be to point out how they're being persecuted. I dislike hateful bigots.
Ok, then don't get your kid gender affirming care. Why is it so fucking hard for people to mind their own business?
This is a good headline. Most people oppose the bans.
It looks like you misread the headline.
I donât know that thatâs a great solution though. I also worry that just because a majority oppose bans, that doesnât mean theyâd all be in favor of it for their child
Double negative confused me for a second and I was sad. Opposes the ban! Want gender affirming care available. Excellent.
Oh I missed that entirely. Sloppy writing, it should be arranged "opposes bans on gender affirming care".
Gotta get them clicks tho. Maybe we're at the beginning of a transition from, "shocking and attention-grabbing headlines," to, "attention-grabbing but also poorly written in a way that it'll agitate an even wider wash of readers"
Same! "Supports care" would have been an easier concept, though a little different from "opposes ban" I guess...
Lol same had to read it 2x đ
I find it quite common (and confusing) for certain news types like policy, eg âparty A reverses the disapproval to oppose the once-unacceptable banâ
Then morally don't do it yourself and leave everyone else to make their own decisions.
Why do so many people care about what other people do to their own bodies?
They oppose bans on care. But a slight majority thinks it's wrong to transition.
I think that's what you're looking for. They don't want to do it, but don't want to ban anyone who's doing it.
The title could've been more clear, thanks for providing that clarification
Yeah I'm glad everyone else was confused, too. I felt like the dumb one for thinking it was the opposite.
âBut a slight majority thinks it's wrong to transition.â
Looks like someone forgot what freedom was about and needs to be educated on it.
I think the people surveyed agree with you here. They're saying that they're opposed to the surgery, but they don't want to ban the surgeries even though they oppose them.
Minors aren't getting any surgeries.
Gender affirming care for trans kids involves seeing psychiatrists, social transitioning, and, if they're lucky, puberty blockers till they're old enough to decide whether they want to medically and surgically transition.
Minors are gettin surgery if they're intersex at birth, in the US especially they get surgically assigned a binary sex even though it is no longer recommended by the American Academy of Pediatrics and actively opposed by the UN.
And thatâs a completely different issue thatâs totally separate from the anti trans laws being pushed by the right wing today.
You didn't get their point. The only children who are getting gender reassignment surgery are the ones who right wing doctors are trying to assign a gender to, despite medical consensus that it's unnecessary, he's calling the right wing misinformed and hypocritical
I agree with what you are saying here, Iâm just not sure that was the previous posters point.
It may have been, but it reads to me like they are just saying ânuh uhâ to the person above them.
volodya_ilich is correct! but also I think it would be useful to use this energy on both sides to prevent gender assignment surgeries on infants (even if the right does not realize the context?)
I am aware. I wasn't in the survey
They need to be informed that surgery alleviates gender dysphoria and saves tens of thousands in the long run from poor mental health to lessen productivity.
The healthcare system should cover every gender affirming care surgery available.
Don't accept their definition shifting. They wrap surgery into "gender affirming care" then say young children get GAC to make people think they're regularly performing surgery on 12 year olds. Hormone blockers are GAC too.
I know. I wasn't in the survey
There are many misconceptions here. For instance, a sizeable fraction of the public believes that minors receive a sex-change surgery (they donât) as opposed to just medication and therapy. I think most people are mostly worried that it is easy to transition and kids might do it without considering the consequences. These myths could be easily dispelled if they actually talk to transgenders.
Good point but please say transgender people instead as transgender is an adjective.
And we also should allow alcohol and drugs for minors. And weddings of course.
Kind of a weak argument, we currently ignore the first part almost entirely from a legal perspective, I don't remember the last time a child or parent got in trouble for a kid sneaking booze under age. They get in trouble for the things they do while drunk, but not the drinking itself. The parents get talked to, but unless they bought them the alcohol there's no repercussions.
As for the the weddings, they are still legal with no effective minimum age in 4 US states (and there are multiple marriages a year as young as 12) and about half the states only restrict it to age 16+
Medical and psychological consensus says we shouldn't allow children to marry or drink alcohol or do drugs. Where's the medical consensus that we shouldn't allow GRT?
False equivalent
That's so nice! I'm so happy for US folks! Here in the UK only 12% support Gender-affirming care for trans minors, most want it banned, most actually don't support it for adults either đ˘
https://yougov.co.uk/society/articles/43194-where-does-british-public-stand-transgender-rights-1 (you need to see the full results to see that)
Itâs really fucked up that so many people think itâs their place to be involved in other peopleâs personal medical decisions, especially when the medical guidelines are currently quite conservative, and based on medical consensus.
A lot of people are social authoritarians, but very few will admit it.
It's not called TERF Island for nothing!
Gosh, it's almost as though most people aren't hateful bigots. Hateful bigots should take note, but they won't. In fact, if they do it'll only be to point out how they're being persecuted. I dislike hateful bigots.
Ok, then don't get your kid gender affirming care. Why is it so fucking hard for people to mind their own business?
This is a good headline. Most people oppose the bans.
It looks like you misread the headline.
I donât know that thatâs a great solution though. I also worry that just because a majority oppose bans, that doesnât mean theyâd all be in favor of it for their child