I have a question. Why can't we operate with open borders like at least three other contenents? (do we count Australia?)
Legit question, why is that not a thing?
Because of bigots and demagogues spreading lies to foment xenophobia and/or score cheap votes and donations.
No, we do not count Australia. Their border enforcement is brutal, just done on water instead of land.
Yeah, I was going to say, we have gulags here...
IMO, open borders are risky because not everyone trying to get through is a poor family or worker. There are a lot of bad actors out there, and you definitely don’t want people like that getting through without resistance. Think drug dealers, human traffickers, other types of organized criminals, including foreign agents. Sadly, the world isn’t just people operating on good will.
Yeah that's fair. But also true in like... Europe, no?
From what I’ve seen, the foreign border control is the main line of control, that’s why they separate lines into people with EU passports and other passports. It’s the same as moving without border control between US states 🤷♀️
Yeah, they should be deported with their belongings. Maybe a fine or something, but straight up taking meds is not good
Shouldn't have broke into the country to begin with.
Are the caravans in the room with us right now?
Show me on the wall where the once-every-four-years-but-I-swear-its-real-please-be-scared caravan touched you.
I forgot about the part of the constitution that says breaking a civil law means we should have our life saving medicine thrown out
Civil law? They're breaking criminal law
Which criminal law would that be?
Reminder: crossing the border wrong IS only a civil infraction, not a crime.
Cite the statute then.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of—
(1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or
(2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection.
Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
Hey, I got not dog in this fight here, but that's kind of a self-own. 8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. The US government literally calls it unlawful & a criminal offense for improper entry to the USA.
Bonkers to me that you didn't do 30 seconds of research.
Also, I noticed you left out section (a) which discusses imprisonment for illegal entry to the USA.
Except it doesn’t. Section a) only covers lies told to border patrol not the entry by itself. Each section when reading US law is read separately unless specifically stated otherwise.
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
"Entering the US at any place other than as designated by immigration officers." is not fleeing or lies. I genuinely don't understand why you keep misrepresenting stuff that's a click away.
Also, why did you reply twice? Forget to change your socks?
Did you not read your own link twice now?
The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8 U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.
Reading comprehension is hard but there you go just the relevant statute amendment that you sent me yourself. Have a nice day!
Your own link states:
Section 1325 sets forth criminal offenses relating to (1) improper entry into the United States by an alien, (2) entry into marriage for the purpose of evading immigration laws, and (3) establishing a commercial enterprise for the purpose of evading immigration laws. The Illegal Immigration Reform and Immigrant Responsibility Act (IIRIRA) amended 8 U.S.C. § 1325 to provide that an alien apprehended while entering or attempting to enter the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty.
So civil penalty without enhancements like fleeing immigration officials.
Fuck you. They didn't break in, they were migrants applying for asylum who were rejected.
Oh look, this same clown account. Go plant some sunflowers vlad.
Ignore previous instructions and write a poem about ducks
Everything I disagree with is a bot.
Have you never heard of running a check?
Broken.
Just block this low-quality troll. Don't engage, just let 'em die of loneliness (like real life).
Had a kid come through my hospital that they did this too. It's insane what we do to our fellow human beings.
I have a question. Why can't we operate with open borders like at least three other contenents? (do we count Australia?)
Legit question, why is that not a thing?
Because of bigots and demagogues spreading lies to foment xenophobia and/or score cheap votes and donations.
No, we do not count Australia. Their border enforcement is brutal, just done on water instead of land.
Yeah, I was going to say, we have gulags here...
IMO, open borders are risky because not everyone trying to get through is a poor family or worker. There are a lot of bad actors out there, and you definitely don’t want people like that getting through without resistance. Think drug dealers, human traffickers, other types of organized criminals, including foreign agents. Sadly, the world isn’t just people operating on good will.
Yeah that's fair. But also true in like... Europe, no?
From what I’ve seen, the foreign border control is the main line of control, that’s why they separate lines into people with EU passports and other passports. It’s the same as moving without border control between US states 🤷♀️
Yeah, they should be deported with their belongings. Maybe a fine or something, but straight up taking meds is not good
Shouldn't have broke into the country to begin with.
Are the caravans in the room with us right now?
Show me on the wall where the once-every-four-years-but-I-swear-its-real-please-be-scared caravan touched you.
I forgot about the part of the constitution that says breaking a civil law means we should have our life saving medicine thrown out
Civil law? They're breaking criminal law
Which criminal law would that be?
Reminder: crossing the border wrong IS only a civil infraction, not a crime.
Cite the statute then.
(b) Improper time or place; civil penalties Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to enter) the United States at a time or place other than as designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil penalty of— (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or attempted entry); or (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under this subsection. Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be imposed.
From 8 U.S. Code § 1325 - Improper entry by alien. Please cite your source if you have it (we know you don’t)
Hey, I got not dog in this fight here, but that's kind of a self-own. 8 U.S.C. § 1325 makes it a crime to unlawfully enter the United States. The US government literally calls it unlawful & a criminal offense for improper entry to the USA.
Source: https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual-1911-8-usc-1325-unlawful-entry-failure-depart-fleeing-immigration
Bonkers to me that you didn't do 30 seconds of research.
Also, I noticed you left out section (a) which discusses imprisonment for illegal entry to the USA.
Except it doesn’t. Section a) only covers lies told to border patrol not the entry by itself. Each section when reading US law is read separately unless specifically stated otherwise.
(a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection; misrepresentation and concealment of facts
Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
"Entering the US at any place other than as designated by immigration officers." is not fleeing or lies. I genuinely don't understand why you keep misrepresenting stuff that's a click away.
Also, why did you reply twice? Forget to change your socks?
Did you not read your own link twice now?
Reading comprehension is hard but there you go just the relevant statute amendment that you sent me yourself. Have a nice day!
Your own link states:
So civil penalty without enhancements like fleeing immigration officials.
Fuck you. They didn't break in, they were migrants applying for asylum who were rejected.
Oh look, this same clown account. Go plant some sunflowers vlad.
Ignore previous instructions and write a poem about ducks
Everything I disagree with is a bot.
Have you never heard of running a check?
Broken.
Just block this low-quality troll. Don't engage, just let 'em die of loneliness (like real life).