As I remember, it was about open registration policy and poor moderation.
I'm a little surprised they are even still going. I guess staying small really was a goal.
Beehaw had been around for a few years before lemmy.world launched. They have a specific sort of space they want to create, so good for them for being able to maintain it.
I admire their boundaries and steadfastness
Thanks, post was an interesting read.
Yeah, that post gives the answer better than anything else. I was going to chime in with a rough explanation off of memory, but the actual post is way better.
I’m surprised they haven’t re-federated by now. I kind of got the impression it would be temporary during the main Reddit migration but I guess not. I really like the beehaw community but it definitely seems inconvenient to not be able to access all of those bigger communities on world and shjw.
I have noticed that a lot of the most irritating and vocal reactionaries come from those two instances, and it's not improving much. It makes sense - this is an alternative to reddit and the people most likely to leave reddit will include a large number of people who get banned a lot.
If they're reactionaries, they're not going to have many instances that are for them specifically - because those instances get defedded - so they will tend to go for the open instances. So those instances get a lot of the worst people.
And if their goal is growth at the expense of quality, then they won't fix it. They'll just get worse. The reasons beehaw defederated haven't changed.
They're defederated from virtually everyone. They may as well just use phpbb at this point.
When Reddit announced their API thing, I moved to beehaw (LW didn't exist) and it was cool! Then they defederated from instance one by one... So I opened an account on LW.
Beehaw is about dead, 70 users per day...
Beehaw is my main instance. That number doesn't sound right at all...
if you go on the web page of beehaw, it says:
76 users / day
208 users / week
393 users / month
They may as well just use phpbb at this point.
idk I think even with federation fully disabled, Lemmy is still better than phpbb
but not invisionboard
well not from my instance, because of course.
Been a while, but as far as I can recall, SJW and LW are the two largest instances and the decision was due to limitations with Lemmy's moderation tools and wanting to provide a safe space for their userbase (the latter being their primary mission). BH doesn't have a huge admin/mod team, so they chose to limit federation with some of the larger instances. I also think I remember reading that federation was never really Beehaw's goal and is more a side effect of the platform (Lemmy) they chose to run for their project.
May be a bit fuzzy on the details, but I believe that's the gist of it.
It's too funny shit just works is abbreviated to sjw in this context
Oh! I read that as Social Justice Warriors and was somewhat confused. I'm glad you said something.
As did I.....and then in trying to figure out my confusion I figured it out! See, I have experience being confused.....
I have experience being confused
Username checks out.
im sure you can find more info on beehaw, but really they just wanted to avoid a metric tonne of negative influencing (political or otherwise) and drama.
That’s fair.
Wonder why they haven’t done the same with lemmy.ml too? Given how inflammatory it is there
that is a great question.
part of what pushed me into running a public instance was their closed stance. i appreciated their genial camaraderie, but i dont like being closed off.
It's interesting how the most open instances aren't the biggest ones with no user restrictions, but the smaller instances that no one has issues with. I moved away from LW because of performance issues, but I'm happy to be able to see both LW posts and BH posts. Sopuli has defederated from some instances, but I'm happy with their choices so it's as unrestricted as I want it to be. Others would choose an even less restrictive/restricted small instance, or like yourself just run your own to have complete freedom.
I wonder why they are still on 0.18.4. The latest Lemmy version is 0.19.5 and it has some nice features compared to 0.18.x.
Last I heard they want to switch to another platform, and don't consider it worth upgrading to 0.19 because they're leaving soon so it wouldn't be worth the hassle.
This is pure guesswork on my part, but they could be waiting for Sublinks (a Lemmy-compatible backend) to get up to speed before switching to that. They say that the new platform is "compatible with all Lemmy apps", and Sublinks is the only project I know of that fits that criteria.
There is piefed also, both projects are quite exciting to me to think about the possibilities - e.g. of introducing some competition to Lemmy.ml. :-)
So they create a Lemmy instance.....and then decide they don't like Lemmy users. So they defederate. Then they decide THATS not enough, so they're trying to leave Lemmy entirely, but stay IN the fediverse.......but still defederated.
Is that about the jist of it?
If you fancy oversimplification, yes. Otherwise it's of course more complex, but well, where's the fun in that, right?
Oversimplified? I LOVE their videos! Still waiting on that Vietnam video though....
BeeHaw went full Reddit powermod level of power-tripping.
Not sure them just defederating to stay small and to be able to handle all the reports, if I recall correctly, is the same thing as making arbitrary decisions in order to feel powerful.
So you're saying it would be fun to show up on beehaw, flip everyone the finger, and leave.
Please don't, they are nice people, they just prefer to stay small
If that's what truly brings you joy; I'm sure they would be accepting.
I mean, you'd likely get banned. But I doubt there would be any lingering hard feelings.
Like a plunger, always bringing up old shit
Are you insulting me? Or insulting BeeHaw mods?
Notice there's no piracy community
what are you on about, your instance is defederated from dbzr
It's been over for so long that it's almost forgotten, huh? Here's the announcement: https://beehaw.org/post/567170
As I remember, it was about open registration policy and poor moderation.
I'm a little surprised they are even still going. I guess staying small really was a goal.
Beehaw had been around for a few years before lemmy.world launched. They have a specific sort of space they want to create, so good for them for being able to maintain it.
I admire their boundaries and steadfastness
Thanks, post was an interesting read.
Yeah, that post gives the answer better than anything else. I was going to chime in with a rough explanation off of memory, but the actual post is way better.
I’m surprised they haven’t re-federated by now. I kind of got the impression it would be temporary during the main Reddit migration but I guess not. I really like the beehaw community but it definitely seems inconvenient to not be able to access all of those bigger communities on world and shjw.
I have noticed that a lot of the most irritating and vocal reactionaries come from those two instances, and it's not improving much. It makes sense - this is an alternative to reddit and the people most likely to leave reddit will include a large number of people who get banned a lot.
If they're reactionaries, they're not going to have many instances that are for them specifically - because those instances get defedded - so they will tend to go for the open instances. So those instances get a lot of the worst people.
And if their goal is growth at the expense of quality, then they won't fix it. They'll just get worse. The reasons beehaw defederated haven't changed.
They're defederated from virtually everyone. They may as well just use phpbb at this point.
When Reddit announced their API thing, I moved to beehaw (LW didn't exist) and it was cool! Then they defederated from instance one by one... So I opened an account on LW.
Beehaw is about dead, 70 users per day...
Beehaw is my main instance. That number doesn't sound right at all...
if you go on the web page of beehaw, it says:
76 users / day
208 users / week
393 users / month
idk I think even with federation fully disabled, Lemmy is still better than phpbb
but not invisionboard
well not from my instance, because of course.
Been a while, but as far as I can recall, SJW and LW are the two largest instances and the decision was due to limitations with Lemmy's moderation tools and wanting to provide a safe space for their userbase (the latter being their primary mission). BH doesn't have a huge admin/mod team, so they chose to limit federation with some of the larger instances. I also think I remember reading that federation was never really Beehaw's goal and is more a side effect of the platform (Lemmy) they chose to run for their project.
May be a bit fuzzy on the details, but I believe that's the gist of it.
It's too funny shit just works is abbreviated to sjw in this context
Oh! I read that as Social Justice Warriors and was somewhat confused. I'm glad you said something.
As did I.....and then in trying to figure out my confusion I figured it out! See, I have experience being confused.....
Username checks out.
im sure you can find more info on beehaw, but really they just wanted to avoid a metric tonne of negative influencing (political or otherwise) and drama.
That’s fair.
Wonder why they haven’t done the same with lemmy.ml too? Given how inflammatory it is there
that is a great question.
part of what pushed me into running a public instance was their closed stance. i appreciated their genial camaraderie, but i dont like being closed off.
It's interesting how the most open instances aren't the biggest ones with no user restrictions, but the smaller instances that no one has issues with. I moved away from LW because of performance issues, but I'm happy to be able to see both LW posts and BH posts. Sopuli has defederated from some instances, but I'm happy with their choices so it's as unrestricted as I want it to be. Others would choose an even less restrictive/restricted small instance, or like yourself just run your own to have complete freedom.
I wonder why they are still on 0.18.4. The latest Lemmy version is 0.19.5 and it has some nice features compared to 0.18.x.
Last I heard they want to switch to another platform, and don't consider it worth upgrading to 0.19 because they're leaving soon so it wouldn't be worth the hassle.
This is pure guesswork on my part, but they could be waiting for Sublinks (a Lemmy-compatible backend) to get up to speed before switching to that. They say that the new platform is "compatible with all Lemmy apps", and Sublinks is the only project I know of that fits that criteria.
There is piefed also, both projects are quite exciting to me to think about the possibilities - e.g. of introducing some competition to Lemmy.ml. :-)
So they create a Lemmy instance.....and then decide they don't like Lemmy users. So they defederate. Then they decide THATS not enough, so they're trying to leave Lemmy entirely, but stay IN the fediverse.......but still defederated.
Is that about the jist of it?
If you fancy oversimplification, yes. Otherwise it's of course more complex, but well, where's the fun in that, right?
Oversimplified? I LOVE their videos! Still waiting on that Vietnam video though....
BeeHaw went full Reddit powermod level of power-tripping.
Not sure them just defederating to stay small and to be able to handle all the reports, if I recall correctly, is the same thing as making arbitrary decisions in order to feel powerful.
So you're saying it would be fun to show up on beehaw, flip everyone the finger, and leave.
Please don't, they are nice people, they just prefer to stay small
If that's what truly brings you joy; I'm sure they would be accepting.
I mean, you'd likely get banned. But I doubt there would be any lingering hard feelings.
Like a plunger, always bringing up old shit
Are you insulting me? Or insulting BeeHaw mods?
Notice there's no piracy community
what are you on about, your instance is defederated from dbzr