What do you think of our lord and saviour Odysee.com?
Yeah, I have been hearing about Youtube blocking ad blocks for a while now and I thought maybe Firefox + uBlock Origin is holding ads at bay for a while, but yeah, it happened today. uBlock origin has been unable to block some ads for me and I am thinking of leaving Youtube. I searched day and night (wink wink) for an alternative and I found odysee.com/ and it seems to be open source and less prone to censorship, I was wondering what you guys were using or thinking of switching too. I think Odysee is FOSS which is giant plus for me and I absolutely love it's looks.
What do you guys think?
It's interesting, that's for sure. But the fact it is filled by nazis and the comment section is just swarming with antisemitism and bigotry is very much not something I'm willing to sift thru.
Where there is no moderation and no content policy that always happens.
ahh man, I know what you mean, but I generally don't go there for politics. There are some educational videos and some really good creators who post in parallel with YT (Vertasium for ex) and I think they are lovely.
Sorry, but "nazis and antisemitism" is not politics. It is racism. Saying something like this is nazi-speech one should not repeat
If you are talking about actual Nazis, well, I agree completely.
Saying something like what?
"Nazis is politics" is here in germany often used in a paraphrased way by far right people to justify their point of view, since nazi symbols and thing like that are forbidden by law.
By adopting such prases, even if unintentionally, one reproduces and legitimates such thinking.
Nazism stands for National Socialism - it's a political ideology, so definitely politics.
Politics is just the method of delivery. It’s racism.
racism is just a tool in the political toolbelt of fascism
That’s exactly how politics works
Edit: All I mean is that politics is literally nothing more than a way to carry ideas, in this case, to govern. While unethical, racism is an idea. Nazism is clearly politics
You seem to believe that you're impervious to politics.
As I understand it that’s quite a jump. What do you mean?
You don't have to go for the fascism, racism, and disinformation. By shear quantity alone, they'll be in your next 2-3 videos if you let it autoplay the next recommended video.
I haven't found a reliable way to just play my followed channels without manually making a queue of videos.
Why would you auto play and not just pick the videos you want to watch? I used to use odysee and I almost never saw racist videos. The comment section on the other hand was a cesspit. I believe you can actually pick what comment section you want and use comments from matador or something else.
https://i.imgur.com/7G45R9L.png I think this would help you
Not wanting to use a platform that supports nazis isn't really politics I don't think
I'd want PeerTube to be the norm.
Until there is a reliable monetization path, most of the content won't be natively there.
Similar issue to Odysee and the many failed startups who have tried to take on YouTube.
Same
The problem I see with peer tube is that the code isn't very advanced, and I don't think it would scale well enough to be a YouTube replacement at this moment.
Video federation requires allowing all CORS requests, Remote transcoding servers were only just added, and there's no high-availability on a per-server basis.
Up to now it scales okay. And i had it wait and buffer videos way less than other video platforms. I'd say it's perfectly okay.
yeah, it's pretty confusing and I doubt if that's going to happen.
fragmentation seems to be huge here
It's federated, just like Lemmy and KBin. You can subscribe to a Peertube channel from Lemmy.
Unmoderated cesspool. Even the most benign videos have bigoted chaos gremlins spewing their shit in the comments.
Yeah, Odysee makes a good case for why censorship isn't always a bad thing.
Moderation of a private space and censorship are different things.
They have a good system in place where normal users moderate the site; if a comment is disliked by enough users it's "slimed to death". It will be harder to find and when you find it you have to click it, to see what it said.
This doesn't work well because there aren't that many users on Odysee compared to Youtube, and the users who are most vocal are not the friendliest people. so those comments aren't overshadowed by other comments, and sometimes they are the only comments on the video.
Based
Sadly, even if you were to somehow avoid all the crazy videos (of which there are a fuck ton more than regular content), the comment sections are nearly always filled with literal nazi wannabies and people being openly bigotted in every possible way. Videos completely unrelated like Veritasium videos always somehow find the comments leaning into how Group X is to blame for everything and other vile stuff.
Even their own announcement posts have people being openly antisemitic as their top comments.
I'd argue its proof a little moderation is actually needed for a site not to become a cesspool.
I heard about odysee a while ago but it felt dirty using it because of the huge amount of crypto and conspiracy content on it.
It's blockchain garbage. Avoid.
Also, the only good creator on there is Mental Outlaw. And he's also on YouTube for the foreseeable future, so...
AfterSkool Vertasium Kurzgesart
The developer and the volunteers of Ublock Origin are very responsive, perhaps you could forward your issues to them.
Many sites aggressively respond to ad blocking, it's cat and mouse.
I don't know if they are active on Lemmy, they certainly were on Spezit
thank you! I will do that!
edit: seem to be getting rained with issues pertaining to yt, I guess, this issue is reported
YouTube is too strong. The chosen one is still unknown. It will happen just after the year of the Linux desktop.
It looks interesting, but unfortunately only from a technology perspective and not from a content perspective.
It should either moderate or filter bot accounts.
My problem with odysee is that it's blockchain based and content is impossible to delete, they can only delist it. It's not foss, but Rumble has been getting more content that isn't right-wing comentary and politics.
It's the only platform at the moment that I think could ever surpass YouTube only because creators can make money off it through ads very easily. I would like to see an open source platform like Peertube to be bigger but unless they can find a way to monetize it and give creators a cut, I don't think it is likely.
It looks interesting
mental outlaw and endermanch is the best part it's pretty much the best for info on privacy
I gave it a look a while back, it's not for me and it definitely won't replace Youtube. I still remember when Vimeo was being touted as a "YouTube Killer" and we all know how that turned out. Vimeo did fill it's unique niche though, and Odyssey does as well, but a YouTube replacement it is not.
If a youtuber I'm interested in mirrors their videos somewhere else, I'll subscribe to that source via RSS. But that's just to divert traffic from YouTube, not because I have a preference either way regarding community interactions (I never read comments on videos).
can you please explain this in detail, I don't know about RSS and everything
Basically, an RSS feed is a link that gets updated when there's an update to a website (here's an example from my medium page). Anytime I post something, it gets updated.
An RSS feed reader is an app that you can use to list out which websites you're interested in, and pulls up any new articles that get published.
RSS feeds are everywhere, but often hidden beneath the surface. For example, in the youtube page for Reuters you can't see any link to an RSS feed, but if you right-click and press "inspect page source", and then Ctrl+f for the word "rss", you can find the link hidden there: https://www.youtube.com/feeds/videos.xml?channel_id=UChqUTb7kYRX8-EiaN3XFrSQ
Most RSS feed readers would be able to find that hidden link for you (you'd just have to give it the normal youtube page link). This is how I "subscribe" to things, I just have one central app where I get updates on everything I'm interested in following (blogs, news, videos, etc).
If a youtuber has both an Odyssey and a Youtube channel with the same content, I subscribe to the RSS feed from Odyssey.
Here is an alternative Piped link(s): https://piped.video/feeds/videos
Piped is a privacy-respecting open-source alternative frontend to YouTube.
I'm open-source, check me out at GitHub.
I'm still using youtube because that's where all my favorite content creators are and I don't care about ads 😬
Odysee isn’t the main website the real use if Lbry desktop or Lbry gtk
is lbry being fined by the SEC btw? I mean, I was googling for Lbry and I found this
They can’t remove the protocol
https://lbry.com/windows
it looks good tho, although uploading videos is somewhat complicated.
How so?
The crypto currency stuff complicates things, otherwise everything else is better than youtube. I think I have to read a book to understand what Crypto is and how it relates to Odysee and how it works on odysee.
I ran a lbry seeder a few months ago to practice devops & data science.
The lbry crypto is used to hold links to every bit of content uploaded into the network, boosting content on the platform, enforcing channel names, creating paywalls for certain content on the platform, & tipping creators.
The blockchain network's primary goal is to hold a long list of in network links that correspond to content stored on individual computers, so when you put in for example lbry://fireship#f/Java_for_haters or something like that, iirc (I'm not near my PC rn), the request goes to delegation servers which query the block chain, return the video link and then call devices on the BitTorrent lower network to send over the requested blobs.
I may be wrong on if the delegation server or the block chain is queried first, but that is basically how it works.
As for moderation/censorship, this is done on a web server built with the lbry apis delivering the videos to the client. You basically can Blocklist individual links or entire domains per se in the bc network so they will not appear on your stuff. This is how they get rid of copyright infringing stuff. Use a different client & change the moderation server and you will see videos odysee.com blocked. I believe you can setup a whitelist too.
Finally, I don't think comments are actually built into the library protocol itself but are still managed in house by lbry/odysee inc itself. Would have to look deeper into this one, but it wasn't baked in last time I checked.
The lack of moderation isn't due to the lbry protocol, it's the deliberate decision of the lbry team to avoid doing anything as much as possible to show a contrast to YouTube.
Odysee is just an Frontend for the backend called Lbry which you can use directly here
https://lbry.com/windows
Odysee censors content none the less
You sent me a download link for Windows!? That was uncalled for
Iirc, uploading videos really isn't an issue.
You find the video you want to upload, choose a thumbnail, choose like 5 tags (because like the federation that's the main way you find stuff), potentially choose a language, then place down like 0.01 lbry credits or so for it to be uploaded to the block chain & the bittorrent network/lbry's servers themselves.
FFmpeg is used to convert the video to a more friendly formatting on the client itself right before sending & boom, video is up.
I need to get used to it I think