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The paradox of tolerance comes into play. OP didn’t come up with some brand spankin’ new revelation.
Not quite, since the sub was t_d and it's like the reverse paradox of tolerance
Well, that’s just curating a space to favor one line of thinking. But I was saying that it’s not some natural law of the universe that “leftist” ideas only come about when the space is moderated whereas a space given completely unregulated speech would naturally turn the conversation right wing.
I read an article a long time ago about how a “free speech” space devolves from a balance representative of the population to almost exclusively hard right opinions. Believe it or not, hate speech is gross and off-putting to most people who haven’t swallowed whatever propaganda led the bigot to that opinion. In fact, hate speech is usually shocking enough to make a lot of people angry and uncomfortable. Especially at the grades and volumes you see in places like 4chan/8chan/etc. So people with varied opinions start to stop using a site that shows them things that are upsetting, finding a place where the content doesn’t disgust them. Voila, “free speech space” = hard right fascist bigot space.
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What they're saying here is that the right is made from people who are fucked up, have very little respect and are often racist, not that there's anything wrong with the left. But they're too dumb to realise that I guess.
Don't wrestle with the pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Bad faith arguments, aversion to data, and generally the inability to admit that someone has a point that is based in fact doesn't mean that the right is right. It's a win at all costs mentality that doesn't benefit anyone besides the ego of the arguer
Right wing can shout the loudest.
Right wing has to shout the loudest. When your ideas don't have merit you must resort to intellectual dishonesty. Unfortunately, this tactic works best on the undereducated, which includes the vast majority of American voters. Why do you think our education system is so terrible at every level? Why do you think they fight tooth and nail against student loan forgiveness? Why do you think school lunch debt even exists?
I mean in the end they make asses out of themselves and destroy their credibility. Though I'm pretty sure the left can out-shout them if they/we really wanted to. Thing is though, that would make us no better than them.
We will see now won't we. We have many examples of defederated groups due to a lack of moderation. All that needs to be done is look at what happens to them
Wholly so not true.
Well, I would say, only if the forum is big enough.
If communities become too large, they tend to become unstable.
I would say, it depends on whether you can potentially know the other person personally, or have a sufficient chance of ever meeting them again.
Well a good number of those were manually collapsed, not removed but also it's more like only right wing people want to stay in unmoderated shitholes
To your second point. It's the Nazi Bar Parable.
There's an odd irony about linking to twitter for the Nazi Bar Parable
To be fair, it was first posted on Twitter. https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Nazi_bar
To be specific:
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The paradox of tolerance comes into play. OP didn’t come up with some brand spankin’ new revelation.
Not quite, since the sub was t_d and it's like the reverse paradox of tolerance
Well, that’s just curating a space to favor one line of thinking. But I was saying that it’s not some natural law of the universe that “leftist” ideas only come about when the space is moderated whereas a space given completely unregulated speech would naturally turn the conversation right wing.
I read an article a long time ago about how a “free speech” space devolves from a balance representative of the population to almost exclusively hard right opinions. Believe it or not, hate speech is gross and off-putting to most people who haven’t swallowed whatever propaganda led the bigot to that opinion. In fact, hate speech is usually shocking enough to make a lot of people angry and uncomfortable. Especially at the grades and volumes you see in places like 4chan/8chan/etc. So people with varied opinions start to stop using a site that shows them things that are upsetting, finding a place where the content doesn’t disgust them. Voila, “free speech space” = hard right fascist bigot space.
Yes, all comments were collapsed to fit more on the screen and because the content of the comments is not important for what's being communicated by this screenshot.
What they're saying here is that the right is made from people who are fucked up, have very little respect and are often racist, not that there's anything wrong with the left. But they're too dumb to realise that I guess.
Don't wrestle with the pig. You both get dirty and the pig likes it.
Bad faith arguments, aversion to data, and generally the inability to admit that someone has a point that is based in fact doesn't mean that the right is right. It's a win at all costs mentality that doesn't benefit anyone besides the ego of the arguer
Right wing can shout the loudest.
Right wing has to shout the loudest. When your ideas don't have merit you must resort to intellectual dishonesty. Unfortunately, this tactic works best on the undereducated, which includes the vast majority of American voters. Why do you think our education system is so terrible at every level? Why do you think they fight tooth and nail against student loan forgiveness? Why do you think school lunch debt even exists?
I mean in the end they make asses out of themselves and destroy their credibility. Though I'm pretty sure the left can out-shout them if they/we really wanted to. Thing is though, that would make us no better than them.
We will see now won't we. We have many examples of defederated groups due to a lack of moderation. All that needs to be done is look at what happens to them
Wholly so not true.
Well, I would say, only if the forum is big enough.
If communities become too large, they tend to become unstable.
I would say, it depends on whether you can potentially know the other person personally, or have a sufficient chance of ever meeting them again.
Just fyi op is a transphobe
I just stumbled on his comments by chance and I've removed them.
Don't hesitate to hit the report button when that happens. Peace