Rather than telling Reddit users to migrate, share links to Fediverse posts to drive them here

Fmstrat@lemmy.one to Reddit Migration@kbin.social – 344 points –

The more people see the engagement, the more chance of them asking "what is that?" It won't be long until the apps are better, and links to articles could be less likely to get suppressed than migration memes.

I can only speak for myself, but I only saw Mastodon as viable after I started being exposed to the content there..

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That’s the tactic that got me started on Reddit. For a while before the dreaded relaunch, many of the links on Digg were just linking to Reddit posts.

I'm already doing it as I can and sometime getting downvote, but I'm fine.

I wonder how long it'll take before Reddit starts shadowdeleting anything containing links to Fediverse websites?

One week

It's been one week since spez looked at me Cocked his head to the side and said, "I'm angry" Five days since I joined Lemmy Saying, "Get your API together, come back and see me" Three days since the living room I realized it's the IPO’s fault, but couldn't see it through Yesterday, Spez was blocking me But it'll still be two days 'til he says he’s sorry

Oh, probably like -5 days. I'm sure they'd just be blacklisting domains, though. Linking to smaller, lesser-known instances that don't literally have "Lemmy" in their URL might work, though. Especially if you don't re-use any particular instance too frequently.

But that might also confuse people.

url/link shorting websites that used to be used to hide rickroll links all the time would probably work to get around that

I have an automod that links to all the other places my sub is on. It's getting mass reported everyday. I have to manually approve them all.

According to some users on r/redditalternatives some people have already been shadowbanned for posting lemmy links.

I posed this over a week ago as a test, and nothing seemed to happen.

That’s how a shadow ban works. You think you’re posting as normal, and you see your posts, but your posts don’t show up for others and your votes don’t count.

With Fediverse, you could see the exact same post with different links generated from different instances, so theoretically you could bypass the filter by using obscure instances to share the post link, assuming they're just filtering links via domain name.

Don't overdo it or the links will be shadow banned for spam

I am going to delete my reddit account anyway. I will test their bottom line and there is nothing to lose.

It's a good idea, instead of "please join Lemmy/kbin", just share posts and people get more interested on what is this

That‘s actually a smart idea. Thank you

Not always. Be careful. It got me banned from a few subreddits I thought were chill.

Good idea! I just posted a link to r/politicalhumor.

Aaaannnddd...autodeleted by bot. Links to other sites are forbidden.

Try using a url shortener and hiding the url behind the highlighted text link thingy like this

Might be enough to trick the bot, might not be. Only 1 way to find out

Nah, that's called spam at that point.

Don't make the Fediverse something that only has a reputation for spamming reddits.

Link to fediverse posts where it's allowed and makes sense to do so.

Don't link to fediverse posts - even using tinyurl workarounds - in places where that activity isn't welcomed by the mods.

Absolutely, I'm not saying to spam anything. However, if every single post or comment with a fed url is deleted by automod, there should be a workaround

If every single post or comment with a fed url on a particular subreddit is being deleted by automod, then it's because the mods of the subreddit presumably set it that way, and their wishes should be respected. Not respecting the wishes of subreddit mods was exactly how reddit got itself into the mess it is now in.

Just out of curiosity. I've been banned from Reddit about 10 times now. I suspect, but it has never been confirmed, that it is because I am able to articulate various logical arguments against "transgenderism" and gender ideology in general.

Is kbin.social a place where I can speak freely or will I be banned here as well?

Still learning kbin, so I'm not sure how to create a thread. Just making a comment here so get a quick answer, if possible.

I'm sure you were banned 10 times cause you "are able to articulate logical arguments against transgenderism" and not being a hateful annoying cunt. I tip my fedora to you. I think some better advice for you is stop obsessing over trans people to such a degree that your comments get you banned from a platform 10 times. But to answer your question there are some instances that will not ban you for that stuff, but most of the big ones are moderated and tend to be left leaning so you probably will be banned for transphobia.

Come on now...

I also strongly disagree with what this user says and I get your anger, but is it really necessary to be insulting? I feel like simply downvoting and otherwise ignoring it would be healthier for this community at large.

Let's not make this place like reddit or any bigger social network, please.

Gender identity is prove by science, go away with your ficking arguments

It depends on the moderators of the "magazine" (community) you are posting in. For example if you post your topic in my Pomeranians community, I might remove your post and give you the reasons for removal, but I probably won't ban you unless you go off topic repeatedly.

Another type of banning is called "instance ban". Instance bans are when a user is banned from an entire instance by the instance administrator. This means that the user can no longer access any of the communities or content on that instance. However, the user can still access other instances, unless they are also banned from those instances. Instance bans can be temporary or permanent, depending on the severity of the violation and the discretion of the administrator.

kbin.social instance administrators seem to be reasonable people. So I doubt that you would get banned if you follow the rules.

Lemmy.ml on the other hand...

To make a thread, go to the community you wanna post on, then click Create a new article. It’s confusing I know haha but after I learned that, I haven’t had problems. They might change how that part is organized too to be more clear

@haughty_thoughts

dw bro, we aint chasin off smart-talkin intellectuals like yerself

On the other hand, people who want to start inflammatory political/sociological arguments in places where they don't belong - like this thread - will find themselves facing a crowd of people with pitchforks, regardless of whether or not the person is well-spoken or the argument well-articulated.

Well, kbin is federated with different communities that have their own rules. Just don't be a dick about it and bully people.

Yes, reddit bans people for hate speech. And why are you going to every sub and thread talking about this? It's almost like it's not just a casual conversation topic but you're actively spreading hate propaganda. Gee I wonder WHY you keep getting banned.

Maybe don't make political talking points from a hate group your entire personality.

That's basically how I ended up here. Got exposed enough to the look and feel that I decided it wasn't too bad and I wanted in on the fun.

Are you having fun yet?

@Cryst

Hm. Generally, yes. I'm on kbin.social. tl;dr: Fantastic and excellent social media alternative, but as someone that's worked years in ITSec, I have some huge concerns.

Things I found surprising:

  • Registration was intuitive and easy.
  • There's already a huge volume of good content readily available without having to "find it" (I had imagined it being more like ""the dark web"", i.e. you have to know what site you're looking for
  • Voting transparency omg holy shit. I remember when Reddit introduced vote fuzzing and it was the dumbest thing. At least on kbin, who upvotes/downvotes something is publicly viewable. So rather than "let's fuzz the votes to throw off the bots", simply showing who voted allows you to easily find the troll downvoting everything or a flood of bots or so on. I imagine there's probably not much tooling around this yet, but there inevitably will be.

Things I've found confusing, concerning, or have questions about (feel free to point me in the direction of a good magazine or FAQ as well):

  • WTF is boost vs upvote?
  • Are usernames unique across the fediverse, or only across instances? (Is there anything preventing me from registering e.g. Cryst@kbin.social , then jumping on this thread and pretending to be you, or vice versa?)
  • What happens if an instance closes up shop? Is there any way to migrate everyone's data over to another instance?
  • What happens if I decide I hate kbin.social admins, or you decide you hate lemmy.ca admins - are either of us able to fairly seamlessly move our identities from one server to another? Or would it be "nope, create a new account and start over"?
  • On reddit, a lot of good things happen around flairing (users, posts). Does fediverse have an equivalent?
  • Sometimes as I'm browsing I find myself on a different server (I think) and the language of the GUI is entirely switched to Arabic or similar. I still haven't figured out how to fix that or even what's doing it.

I still need to set up my own instance and play with that too.

It would be hilarious if the r/bestof mods changed their rules to only allow links to the fediverse

I've been kind of suggesting the same thing a few times inside of posts. I'm coming at it from the perspective of having had to do a lot of in-person recruiting for voluntary activities, mentoring, and teaching -- you cannot tell people things like "you should just join lemmy/kbin" -- you have to wait for them to ask "how do I join lemmy/kbin?"

That's okay! It just means that the focus when introducing people to it has to be "here's what you're missing", positive about where they could go rather than negative about where they are.

It's an uphill battle trying to argue with people who do have a point about it being harder to use (we shouldn't gaslight people), but they're also saying what the audience is wanting to hear because it gives them permission to do nothing.

How many are just admin accounts or sock puppets for some agenda or another anyway?

Consider focusing on the positive -- link to specific posts on these systems that are objectively worth going to participate in. They don't need an account to read and enjoy.

Then, if they discover that they wish that they could participate in the thread -- that is the time to explain that they should just join whatever instance the post they really enjoyed was on for starters. They'll realize that they can see magazines from other instances, probably after a week when they realize other instance domain names are showing up on things. Then some nice person explains what's going on.

And now they've convinced themselves it's worth joining...

If anybody wants to share a link to kbin/Lemmy so people join, don't send the official Lemmy or Kbin page (or the official page of any federated platform) nor the link to any given server. Share instead links to the Join the fediverse wiki, fedeverse party, etc that have lists of servers and also have posts explaining anything a person needs to know to start an account on any decentralized platform/server.

I would love to pick one maybe two subreddits to focus on taking the top posts and just reposting them to the communities here, but I’m kinda waiting on community consolidation to get fixed so I don’t waste time posting to empty communities. Also if there was a Reddit to Lemmy post migration script or something to automate it that would be awesome

This is a really good idea, hopefully it will pull more people to our communities.