(note, the GitLab Enterprise Edition, which is provided to the public on gitlab.com, is (like GitHub) trade-secret, proprietary, vendor-lock-in software)
Isn't EE source-available but proprietary? Plus if you just use the free tier you're not using any enterprise features
Will things like setting up a "stack" in portainer on docker be able to use the github alternatives like codeberg? or will those kinds of things need to be rebuilt?
They should™ work with any git repo hosted by any method right down to running git-http-backend as a CGI script I would have thought.
Noice, noice!
Thanks for your response, cousin!
Anyone got a commmand line tool change all my stuff? Because if I have to do change all the remotes all the time, for dozens of projects I'm going to lose my mind.
Also the migration on gitlab/codeberg looked like an amount of effort that doesn't round down to zero.
I thought this was going to be a FOSS discussion, comparing GitHub and it's current owner - Microsoft - to the ethics of other hosting services like codeberg.org or something.
Then I saw where this was posted.
I am new here. Can you kindly elaborate.
A lot of people associated with Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) have major objections to GitHub. Here's one summary: https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/
But the TLDR; version is roughly:
Your source hosted on GitHub is being used to train AI, and you are possibly giving up rights to algorithms you may have written (IANAL, and AI training is a fuzzy topic at the moment)
GitHub itself is proprietary, closed-source software, while they claim to be pro-FOSS. Aside from not being in the spirit of things, closed-source means you also don't know what happens with your code/data once up upload it.
Microsoft has a history of being anti-FOSS, while some people will say it's been changing, I think many are still rightfully concerned what their future decisions regarding GitHub might be, especially if they are a near-monopoly.
Alternative do exist, and some like codeberg.org are specifically open sourced, and pro-open source, so many people are pushing to move hosting away from GitHub and onto other options.
Thanks for explaining it in such good detail but I was referring to your last sentence. I'm new to lemmy and I'm still looking for good communities and blocking the bad ones. I apologise for not being clear enough in the first reply.
Oh - this isn't a bad community, that isn't what I meant by my last sentence - this is just a place for memes and jokes more than serious discussion, hence my expectation of a serious discussion was subverted. But programmer humor is still a great place.
The previous Microsoft's CEO truly hates FOSS, famously calling it cancer. Then the next CEO reversed Microsoft's stance on FOSS, acquiring the largest FOSS collaboration site. Naturally, many view this move with suspicion since Microsoft has a history of embracing something only to extinguish it later.
and its* current owner
Yes, I normally speak english good, but your corect to, i make a typo then.
Didn't that person just want to use it to stalk an ex on Facebook.
Dafuq???
EDIT: Yeah I just checked the app I guess it could be used for that in a way.
Our boy is over on 4chan right now posting about that again and everyone remembers and posting NYPA (not your personal army).
lmao
a legend is born
Software Freedom Conservancy has a pretty nice page called Give Up GitHub!, definitely check that out
Is this copypasta yet?
I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE CODE!! WHY IS THERE CODE? JUST MAKE A FUCKING EXE FILE AND GIVE IT TO ME.
who needs code, when all we need is exe files.
I think it's so popular because secretly everyone agrees
Fuck that, I don't trust executables unless they're signed, downloaded securely (e.g. HTTPS), and I trust the source I downloaded them from. Anything else might as well be a virus. If I can't find a signed binary from a trustworthy source, I'm either not using it or I'm going to build it myself (after skimming through the code).
I'm looking forward to the Forgejo Federation to be completed.
It will be nice to not have to choose between self hosting your repository and having your repository discoverable.
Jokes on you, I just never stopped using SVN out of laziness.
Jokes on me for saying github != git though
Joke's* on me
(Short for "The joke is on me".)
everyone knows the proper place for code is stuffing it into a trunk
I just store mine in memory (meat memory, not the computer stuff). If someone wants the source code I just tell them. Version control by oral tradition.
You joke, but that’s how a lot of the stuff I work on is documented. Passed along from one developer to the next - legends, really.
The year of the punch card desktop.
Joke's* on you
(Short for "The joke is on you".)
I used to think github invented git when I was new to programming 😓
Fun fact, Linus has said that he has named both of the major pieces of software he has authored after himself - Linux and Git.
Git is a somewhat old British slang insult for someone stupid/childish.
So GitHub is then .. a hub of gits.
If you look at the issues discussion of any popular project there...
I guess it's the right name.
I get this is a meme, but the most successful projects are the ones that quickly get you running and are supportive to new users. I'll get off my soapbox.
Why is it a fiddle
Fiddle was found in a thrift store. Couldn't afford the bongos.
Use Codeberg ;)
I love repo.or.cz since it is enough.
What do you mean? Real Programmer use Zip file to share source code.
"real".
repo.or.cz is lightweight. Codeberg isn't, and it is currently not as fast as github.
You can always fall back to your "zip", anyways. But why don't .tgz?
I was just joking man. Yeah, I visit repo.or.cz it's pretty lightweight and I loved it.
But I don't think you are brave enough to take it up :)
Yea. I am not gonna use use repo.or.cz
I agree with GitHub being bad, but the meme's content is worse and I'm afraid that there are people who agree with it. I don't like GitHub or Microsoft but since I get their stuff for free I do use but I'd love to use something that's open and supports git properly.
https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/ more seriously
Isn't EE source-available but proprietary? Plus if you just use the free tier you're not using any enterprise features
Will things like setting up a "stack" in portainer on docker be able to use the github alternatives like codeberg? or will those kinds of things need to be rebuilt?
They should™ work with any git repo hosted by any method right down to running git-http-backend as a CGI script I would have thought.
Noice, noice!
Thanks for your response, cousin!
Anyone got a commmand line tool change all my stuff? Because if I have to do change all the remotes all the time, for dozens of projects I'm going to lose my mind.
Also the migration on gitlab/codeberg looked like an amount of effort that doesn't round down to zero.
I thought this was going to be a FOSS discussion, comparing GitHub and it's current owner - Microsoft - to the ethics of other hosting services like codeberg.org or something.
Then I saw where this was posted.
I am new here. Can you kindly elaborate.
A lot of people associated with Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) have major objections to GitHub. Here's one summary: https://sfconservancy.org/GiveUpGitHub/
But the TLDR; version is roughly:
Alternative do exist, and some like codeberg.org are specifically open sourced, and pro-open source, so many people are pushing to move hosting away from GitHub and onto other options.
Thanks for explaining it in such good detail but I was referring to your last sentence. I'm new to lemmy and I'm still looking for good communities and blocking the bad ones. I apologise for not being clear enough in the first reply.
Oh - this isn't a bad community, that isn't what I meant by my last sentence - this is just a place for memes and jokes more than serious discussion, hence my expectation of a serious discussion was subverted. But programmer humor is still a great place.
The previous Microsoft's CEO truly hates FOSS, famously calling it cancer. Then the next CEO reversed Microsoft's stance on FOSS, acquiring the largest FOSS collaboration site. Naturally, many view this move with suspicion since Microsoft has a history of embracing something only to extinguish it later.
Yes, I normally speak english good, but your corect to, i make a typo then.
I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE FUCKING CODE! i just want to download this stupid fucking application and use it https://github.com/sherlock-project/sherlock#installation WHY IS THERE CODE??? MAKE A FUCKING .EXE FILE AND GIVE IT TO ME. these dumbfucks think that everyone is a developer and understands code. well i am not and i don't understand it. I only know to download and install applications. SO WHY THE FUCK IS THERE CODE? make an EXE file and give it to me. STUPID FUCKING SMELLY NERDS
Didn't that person just want to use it to stalk an ex on Facebook.
Dafuq??? EDIT: Yeah I just checked the app I guess it could be used for that in a way.
Our boy is over on 4chan right now posting about that again and everyone remembers and posting NYPA (not your personal army).
lmao
a legend is born
Software Freedom Conservancy has a pretty nice page called Give Up GitHub!, definitely check that out
Is this copypasta yet?
who needs code, when all we need is exe files.
I think it's so popular because secretly everyone agrees
Fuck that, I don't trust executables unless they're signed, downloaded securely (e.g. HTTPS), and I trust the source I downloaded them from. Anything else might as well be a virus. If I can't find a signed binary from a trustworthy source, I'm either not using it or I'm going to build it myself (after skimming through the code).
I'm looking forward to the Forgejo Federation to be completed.
It will be nice to not have to choose between self hosting your repository and having your repository discoverable.
Is forge federation ready to be used by developers around the world? Not yet.
But the first Forgejo release with native federation implementation based on ForgeFed and F3 is expected next year.
Info from June 2023: https://forgefriends.org/blog/2023/06/21/2023-06-state-forge-federation/
Current state of Federation in Forgejo: https://codeberg.org/forgejo/forgejo/issues/59
Jokes on you, I just never stopped using SVN out of laziness.
Jokes on me for saying github != git though
(Short for "The joke is on me".)
everyone knows the proper place for code is stuffing it into a trunk
I just store mine in memory (meat memory, not the computer stuff). If someone wants the source code I just tell them. Version control by oral tradition.
You joke, but that’s how a lot of the stuff I work on is documented. Passed along from one developer to the next - legends, really.
The year of the punch card desktop.
(Short for "The joke is on you".)
I used to think github invented git when I was new to programming 😓
Fun fact, Linus has said that he has named both of the major pieces of software he has authored after himself - Linux and Git.
Git is a somewhat old British slang insult for someone stupid/childish.
So GitHub is then .. a hub of gits.
If you look at the issues discussion of any popular project there...
I guess it's the right name.
I get this is a meme, but the most successful projects are the ones that quickly get you running and are supportive to new users. I'll get off my soapbox.
Why is it a fiddle
Fiddle was found in a thrift store. Couldn't afford the bongos.
I love repo.or.cz since it is enough.
What do you mean? Real Programmer use Zip file to share source code.
"real".
repo.or.cz is lightweight. Codeberg isn't, and it is currently not as fast as github.
You can always fall back to your "zip", anyways. But why don't .tgz?
I was just joking man. Yeah, I visit repo.or.cz it's pretty lightweight and I loved it.
But I don't think you are brave enough to take it up :)
Yea. I am not gonna use use repo.or.cz
I agree with GitHub being bad, but the meme's content is worse and I'm afraid that there are people who agree with it. I don't like GitHub or Microsoft but since I get their stuff for free I do use but I'd love to use something that's open and supports git properly.
I'm sorry, you were saying something about mental derangement after posting this thing? Jesus.
It's a pretty popular meme format, it's not serious