It makes sense when random people or celebrities make these demands...
But Pelosi is a senior member of our government, she doesn't have to just make these public statements.
Cutting off aid until Bibi is about of power isn't just possible, compared to other ways we've kicked genocidal maniacs out of power it's down right cordial.
We need the people who do have the power to get shit down, actually put the work in and do it.
It's so bizarre to me that a politician saying that the grotesquely corrupt psychopath in charge of an apartheid nation that's carrying out a genocide on one front and an incremental land grab on another while they also try to provoke yet another nation into attacking so they can play the victim as they continue their egregious crimes "should resign" is a newsworthy event.
The world is in the hands of insane monsters.
Well, it’s newsworthy because, while Pelosi is hella old, she hasn’t technically retired yet. And politicians actually saying or doing things that are morally defensible usually comes after retirement (unless you’re part of the progressive wing that the DNC is basically trying to shut down altogether).
Exactly, and that's bizarre.
We actually live in a world in which politicians are expected to be dishonest, amoral and corrupt fuckwads and the few in Washington who aren't are outcasts even in their own party. And we just accept that. It's insane.
The world is in the hands of insane monsters.
I too get that feeling since around 2010.
And knowing that for sort of the night of the long knives, but for many bigger nations and elites, nothing which we'd notice is needed, - maybe something like that did happen then. Or maybe a bit earlier - in 2006-2009.
Israel isn't apartheid. Anyone saying they are has no clue what apartheid is or means.
HRW is a pretty terrible source, just saying. Also, I've been to South Africa, and I've been to the National Apartheid Museum. Israel may not be perfect, but it isn't even close to being apartheid.
As soon as he's out of power he's most likely going to prison for corruption, so I don't think he'll be taking her advice.
I agree but also she should resign due to her being old as shit.
And insider trading
So should every politician who is supporting him through funds.
Didn't they have like 7 elections in a row over the course of 5 months and Bibi finally won as was like "this closest election ever in the history of Israel gives me the mandate to rule over it like a total dictator, time to gut the judges, throw the ultra-orthodox into the military, appoint my friend Lieberman head of a secret anti-protest milita and genocide gaza!"
The Israeli left had been weak since the Yom Kippur War.
Really? I thought people accusing Israel of genocide were russian trolls and chinese spies?
According to Lemmy they are!
She also called Palestinian protestors Chinese agents so this is probably because Bibi isn't doing a good job doing PR and blindly listening to Biden and not because he's actively involved in a genocide.
fuck that's what im talking about let's go
Good to see from Nancy Pelosi.
Took her far too long to notice.
The man who would replace Netanyahu, Benny Gantz, considered to be a left-wing Israeli politician, will do the same things that Bibi has been doing... ya know, considering it is a unity government and all. The leftists who think they'll get their way in allowing Hamas to survive by getting rid of Netanyahu really are ignorant.
Those aren't leftists. It's mostly liberals who tell themselves that israel as a ethno nationalist state is perfectly fine but that a prime Minister boastfully taking Israel to it's natural conclusion of ethnic cleansing and genocide is too much. They want it to be done more quietly.
Any sources to back up your claims? 20% of Israel's citizenry are ethnic Arabs and practicing Muslims. Israel has 100% air superiority over Gaza, if they wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza or the West Bank, they certainly have the ability to do so. But there is no evidence that they want this. None that I've seen at least.
You know who does want to ethnically cleanse another culture/religion from the world? Hamas. Iran, Hezbollah. The Houthis. ISIS. The Taliban. What do all of these groups have in common, hm? Israel is surrounded by militants who have sworn to eradicate all Jews from the planet. In light of that, I think Israel is showing incredible restraint.
Leftists (in the US, the far-left equivalent of the "alt-right") are the ones currently rioting and protesting across major cities and college campuses across the West. Liberals are overwhelming supportive of Israel. Conservatives are overwhelmingly supportive of Israel. It's the radical extremists who want Israel destroyed.
I heard the alt-left just nuked Portland in support of Gaza.
I heard the alt left conducts satanic rituals and sacrifices babies
Wait why should Hamas be allowed to survive? They are not the good guys, they are not Palestine, they are wealthy men living abroad. I was hoping this would be a great chance to end both leaderships, not pretend like Hamas are victims
Mind you, she still isn't actually called for a ceasefire.
Anyway, these fucks are going to scapegoat Netanyahu, orange revolution him out of office all for the oppression of Palestinians to continue, at best, at an only slightly slower pace. But more likely just be replaced by another of the multitude of genocidal maniacs sitting at the Knesset. Fuck these performative asshats.
For those of us who don't speak tankie, is the orange revolution reference an indication that the commenter also believes fascist Ukrainians secretly caused the ouster of a Kremlin-friendly President in Ukraine?
There's truly nothing more tankie than opposing Israeli apartheid and not wanting liberals to help perpetuate it
Sigh. Israel isn't an apartheid state, not even close. Not like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank, Afghanistan, Egypt, Yemen, Qatar... need I go on? Muslim Israelis have the same rights as Jewish Israelis. Saying otherwise is misinformation at worst, ignorant at best.
Do you have other historically inaccurate ad-hominem riddled irrelevant points to make or do you actually have something to contribute to the discussion?
It's very clear to anyone with a half brain that the Democrat's are scapegoating Netanyahu while completely skirting any responsibility to try and save face in front of the biggest issue they face for reelection.
Sorry, I couldn't parse an answer from your reply. What does it mean to "orange revolution" someone out of office?
I suppose this is a reference to Ukraine's Orange Revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution. Seems to be outing someone out of office because of blatant corruption and voter fraud.
Yes, but the comment seemed to use orange revolution as something negative. Like it's a backhanded trick. It wasn't until I started reading Lemmy content that I even ran into people seriously saying the OR was a fraud pushed by the far-right in Ukraine.
I can wait for the commenter to clarify.
Well I don't speak tankie either, and I think the revolution ousted a very pro russian government. Which would be a bad thing for a tankie.
That's why the reference was used negatively. Orange revolutions are something western democracies do to promote hegemony. Or some such tankie bs.
It makes sense when random people or celebrities make these demands...
But Pelosi is a senior member of our government, she doesn't have to just make these public statements.
Cutting off aid until Bibi is about of power isn't just possible, compared to other ways we've kicked genocidal maniacs out of power it's down right cordial.
We need the people who do have the power to get shit down, actually put the work in and do it.
It's so bizarre to me that a politician saying that the grotesquely corrupt psychopath in charge of an apartheid nation that's carrying out a genocide on one front and an incremental land grab on another while they also try to provoke yet another nation into attacking so they can play the victim as they continue their egregious crimes "should resign" is a newsworthy event.
The world is in the hands of insane monsters.
Well, it’s newsworthy because, while Pelosi is hella old, she hasn’t technically retired yet. And politicians actually saying or doing things that are morally defensible usually comes after retirement (unless you’re part of the progressive wing that the DNC is basically trying to shut down altogether).
Exactly, and that's bizarre.
We actually live in a world in which politicians are expected to be dishonest, amoral and corrupt fuckwads and the few in Washington who aren't are outcasts even in their own party. And we just accept that. It's insane.
I too get that feeling since around 2010.
And knowing that for sort of the night of the long knives, but for many bigger nations and elites, nothing which we'd notice is needed, - maybe something like that did happen then. Or maybe a bit earlier - in 2006-2009.
Israel isn't apartheid. Anyone saying they are has no clue what apartheid is or means.
Shut up...
Amnesty international says otherwise
So does B'T Selem
Hasbarist trolls running to give cover to Israel committing atrocities in my name and using my tax dollars hold a special place in hell.
Has been for years
https://www.hrw.org/report/2021/04/27/threshold-crossed/israeli-authorities-and-crimes-apartheid-and-persecution
HRW is a pretty terrible source, just saying. Also, I've been to South Africa, and I've been to the National Apartheid Museum. Israel may not be perfect, but it isn't even close to being apartheid.
It's nice that you visited, but I believe people like Desmond Tutu, who actually lived through Apartheid in South Africa..
There's a reason why South Africa are the ones with the case against Israel in the international courts. They know what this is.
Why?
https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/human-rights-watch/
Seems pretty credible..
And this isn't an opinion thing, that Human Rights Watch link goes into great detail on various ways that Israel is an apartheid.
Like, we're not talking about if a band makes good music or not, apartheid has a recognized definition by international bodies....
As soon as he's out of power he's most likely going to prison for corruption, so I don't think he'll be taking her advice.
I agree but also she should resign due to her being old as shit.
And insider trading
So should every politician who is supporting him through funds.
Didn't they have like 7 elections in a row over the course of 5 months and Bibi finally won as was like "this closest election ever in the history of Israel gives me the mandate to rule over it like a total dictator, time to gut the judges, throw the ultra-orthodox into the military, appoint my friend Lieberman head of a secret anti-protest milita and genocide gaza!"
The Israeli left had been weak since the Yom Kippur War.
Edit: damn autocorrect
Yom
Ftfy
Thank you.
First off, I agree.
Secondly: lol never happening
That would probably be for the best.
Really? I thought people accusing Israel of genocide were russian trolls and chinese spies?
According to Lemmy they are!
She also called Palestinian protestors Chinese agents so this is probably because Bibi isn't doing a good job doing PR and blindly listening to Biden and not because he's actively involved in a genocide.
fuck that's what im talking about let's go
Good to see from Nancy Pelosi.
Took her far too long to notice.
The man who would replace Netanyahu, Benny Gantz, considered to be a left-wing Israeli politician, will do the same things that Bibi has been doing... ya know, considering it is a unity government and all. The leftists who think they'll get their way in allowing Hamas to survive by getting rid of Netanyahu really are ignorant.
Those aren't leftists. It's mostly liberals who tell themselves that israel as a ethno nationalist state is perfectly fine but that a prime Minister boastfully taking Israel to it's natural conclusion of ethnic cleansing and genocide is too much. They want it to be done more quietly.
Any sources to back up your claims? 20% of Israel's citizenry are ethnic Arabs and practicing Muslims. Israel has 100% air superiority over Gaza, if they wanted to ethnically cleanse Gaza or the West Bank, they certainly have the ability to do so. But there is no evidence that they want this. None that I've seen at least.
You know who does want to ethnically cleanse another culture/religion from the world? Hamas. Iran, Hezbollah. The Houthis. ISIS. The Taliban. What do all of these groups have in common, hm? Israel is surrounded by militants who have sworn to eradicate all Jews from the planet. In light of that, I think Israel is showing incredible restraint.
Leftists (in the US, the far-left equivalent of the "alt-right") are the ones currently rioting and protesting across major cities and college campuses across the West. Liberals are overwhelming supportive of Israel. Conservatives are overwhelmingly supportive of Israel. It's the radical extremists who want Israel destroyed.
I heard the alt-left just nuked Portland in support of Gaza.
I heard the alt left conducts satanic rituals and sacrifices babies
Yup definitely no evidence.
Right, but Netanyahu needs to go, regardless.
This comment took a hard left turn
Wait why should Hamas be allowed to survive? They are not the good guys, they are not Palestine, they are wealthy men living abroad. I was hoping this would be a great chance to end both leaderships, not pretend like Hamas are victims
She should go back to her headquarters in China.
Mind you, she still isn't actually called for a ceasefire.
Anyway, these fucks are going to scapegoat Netanyahu, orange revolution him out of office all for the oppression of Palestinians to continue, at best, at an only slightly slower pace. But more likely just be replaced by another of the multitude of genocidal maniacs sitting at the Knesset. Fuck these performative asshats.
For those of us who don't speak tankie, is the orange revolution reference an indication that the commenter also believes fascist Ukrainians secretly caused the ouster of a Kremlin-friendly President in Ukraine?
There's truly nothing more tankie than opposing Israeli apartheid and not wanting liberals to help perpetuate it
Sigh. Israel isn't an apartheid state, not even close. Not like Syria, Iraq, Iran, Lebanon, Gaza, West Bank, Afghanistan, Egypt, Yemen, Qatar... need I go on? Muslim Israelis have the same rights as Jewish Israelis. Saying otherwise is misinformation at worst, ignorant at best.
Do you have other historically inaccurate ad-hominem riddled irrelevant points to make or do you actually have something to contribute to the discussion?
It's very clear to anyone with a half brain that the Democrat's are scapegoating Netanyahu while completely skirting any responsibility to try and save face in front of the biggest issue they face for reelection.
Sorry, I couldn't parse an answer from your reply. What does it mean to "orange revolution" someone out of office?
I suppose this is a reference to Ukraine's Orange Revolution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orange_Revolution. Seems to be outing someone out of office because of blatant corruption and voter fraud.
Yes, but the comment seemed to use orange revolution as something negative. Like it's a backhanded trick. It wasn't until I started reading Lemmy content that I even ran into people seriously saying the OR was a fraud pushed by the far-right in Ukraine.
I can wait for the commenter to clarify.
Well I don't speak tankie either, and I think the revolution ousted a very pro russian government. Which would be a bad thing for a tankie.
That's why the reference was used negatively. Orange revolutions are something western democracies do to promote hegemony. Or some such tankie bs.