Stop hosting all your shit on a corporate owned platform.
I am surprised there isn't a torrent version of Yuzu.
A magnet string would be unstoppable.
Pretty sure I found one, can magnet strings be posted here?
Trouble is that people want to continue working on it.
Seeing how determined nintendo is, I think the only long term solution would probably be to continue development on a code forge hosted as a hidden service. Either Tor or I2P.
Yes, it won't be easy to use, especially for those who are not familiar with this tech, but I expect these to be much more harder for nintendo to take down.
Since they're not breaking any laws, they shouldn't be getting their code taken down anyways.
This could be grounds for a lawsuit.
Lawsuit would not be wise. Nintendo is working outside of the law right now which is where they're weak. Suyu and the other forks just need to move their repo to a git hoster not based in the US so that they're not threatened by DMCA (which is a scare tactic anyways but github is going to comply with regardless). The suyu team is not breaking any laws nor have they gone against the terms of the lawsuit against yuzu.
I think the lawsuit should be filed against Github.
GitHub has to comply with the DMCA. You wouldn't have a case against them if you wanted to sue.
Literally every repo that got DMCA'd had an opportunity to fight back, and they chose to cave instead. I don't see why repositories going down is a reflection of GitHub's ethics.
Just pull a Pirate Bay and use a git platform that isn't based in the US
, can magnet strings be posted here?
Err on the side of caution, don't post it. This comm is already in hot water on multiple instances.
Suyu also hosts full backups of other projects, for example Yuzu, Ryujinx or Dolphin
Unless the donations continue to flow, that repo won't last forever because hosting and serving data isn't free.
Eh, you can host a gitea instance on a $3.50 VPS pretty easily. I don't think money will be an issue when it comes to hosting and serving.
I got one of these. I dont understand why theyre going after us now. I thought their issue was all the money they were making off of "promoting piracy".
Im guess im not surprised
Nintendo just wants emulators gone. They only use those excuses as a front.
Meanwhile ryujinx be like "nothing to see here"
IANAL, but they should be fine since they aren't decrypting / breaking DRM they same way Yuzu was. They are a much cleaner codebase, much more similar to mGBA and Dolphin.
But did yuzu actually break DRM? I thought that if I dumped my own game and keys with a modded (1st gen) switch and feed all of that into yuzu, nothing illegal would be going on.
I don't believe Yuzu went to court, but that was the accusation Nintendo was suing them over. Ryujinx wasn't sued, so Nintendo either didn't believe they had done the same, or didn't care. We didn't get to have a discovery process for the case to find out for sure, so we don't know.
iirc it was yuzu who linked tools to do it, but the application itself didnt do it. Yuzus main problem was often linking to resources and advertising stuff, and partially locking it behind a paywall.
They allegedly also advertised that newegames, like TotK was running better on the EA builds and there's the suspicion that the yuzu team also distributed the keys via torrents. All of these are just allegations, though.
The paywall as far as I know isn't that much of problem. Cemu has/had a paywall for years. Several other, though less successful, emulators have had paywalled content/early access as well. The BLEEM emulator that was brought to court was a paid commercial product. So that currently is perfectly legal within the jurisdiction of those cases. Nintendo's case against Yuzu was about piracy/DRM circumvention. That wasn't brought to court, so we don't know the outcome however.
No, yuzu's main problem was being a for-profit company. That seemed to be central to Nintendo's case against them. The company behind yuzu was making millions.
Paid emulators have existed for ages and have won in US courts before.
Ryujinx wasn’t sued, so Nintendo either didn’t believe they had done the same, or didn’t care.
Ryujinx is nowhere near as popular as Yuzu, so that probably has a lot to do with it.
It's also possible that they wouldn't win against Ryujinx. There's evidence of Yuzu devs sharing roms with each other to test out games, so it's possible that they settled to avoid discovery.
This is probably in a legal grey area in the US. The Yuzu case was settled out of court because Nintendo had dirt on the team behind it, so it's unclear whether a judge would rule that this kind of circumvention is legal.
Git is already decentralised. Every github-like is interoperable with every other github-like. But just because something works together with many others doesn't makes it invulnerable to legal takedowns. Nintendo is a gaming company. They have no problems playing whack-a-mole, as demonstrated here.
Yeah, but Nintendo hasn't won a lawsuit, which means the code isn't illegal to share. They just convinced GitHub to take it down.
They convinced GitHub to send takedown notices, which can be appealed. They're legally required to do this under the DMCA.
I think there's a difference between distributed and decentralised. But apart from that 👍
There's are a few, but they're pretty new.
Codeberg / Forejo seems to be the most popular, at the moment.
But it's not yet federalized. I host my forgejo instance but others can't yet create issues there.
I've been kinda low key waiting for federation on Feorejo to move most of my personal projects off of GitHub. I've been busy anyway, so I guess, for me, it's a race between their clever devs and my procrastinating...
I'm so excited for it. Forgejo is by itself fully usable, but I want to be able to federate stuff.
Me too. GitHub is a huge part of my professional portfolio. I don't like trusting a single corporation with that much of my employment future. I saw colleagues who relied heavily of Twitter have a really bad time when it descended into bots and spam.
Forejo seems like the logical next step to protect my professional portfolio.
GitHub is huge for visibility, don't underestimate it. I put everything on my git server and mirror my important projects to GitHub and codeberg.org. One of the things I'm excited about is a method of discover ability for my stuff. And if course collaboration being possible on my server, as others can't open issues and stuff on my server.
Yeah. I'll keep things on GitHub, as well. GitHub has been very good for my professional portfolio.
But I'm hoping to get to where my primary activity is on my own servers, and everything is mirrored to GitGub, or vice-versa. That way, if GitHub decides to hold my portfolio hostage, I can just redirect my resume link and get on with my life.
Forgejo: But ForgeFed, it's federation software is still under development
Radicle: But they have unnecessary ties with crypto stuff
Check out forgejo. While git is „decentralized“ it is not discoverable. Forgejo is pretty much there afaik using ap protocol.
Stop hosting all your shit on a corporate owned platform.
I am surprised there isn't a torrent version of Yuzu.
A magnet string would be unstoppable.
Pretty sure I found one, can magnet strings be posted here?
Trouble is that people want to continue working on it.
Seeing how determined nintendo is, I think the only long term solution would probably be to continue development on a code forge hosted as a hidden service. Either Tor or I2P.
Yes, it won't be easy to use, especially for those who are not familiar with this tech, but I expect these to be much more harder for nintendo to take down.
Since they're not breaking any laws, they shouldn't be getting their code taken down anyways.
This could be grounds for a lawsuit.
Lawsuit would not be wise. Nintendo is working outside of the law right now which is where they're weak. Suyu and the other forks just need to move their repo to a git hoster not based in the US so that they're not threatened by DMCA (which is a scare tactic anyways but github is going to comply with regardless). The suyu team is not breaking any laws nor have they gone against the terms of the lawsuit against yuzu.
I think the lawsuit should be filed against Github.
GitHub has to comply with the DMCA. You wouldn't have a case against them if you wanted to sue.
Literally every repo that got DMCA'd had an opportunity to fight back, and they chose to cave instead. I don't see why repositories going down is a reflection of GitHub's ethics.
Just pull a Pirate Bay and use a git platform that isn't based in the US
Err on the side of caution, don't post it. This comm is already in hot water on multiple instances.
Base64 decode:
::: spoiler spoiler bWFnbmV0Oj94dD11cm46YnRpaDoxYWVmOTg5MjczMDY4ODdiODM3ZTRhNWUxNDQ5Nzg5ZTYyN2ZlMmU0JmRuPVl1enUlMjBFYXJseSZ0cj1odHRwJTNBJTJGJTJGYnQzLnQtcnUub3JnJTJGYW5uJnRyPWh0dHAlM0ElMkYlMkZyZXRyYWNrZXIubG9jYWwlMkZhbm5vdW5jZQ== :::
There is and I'm maybe seeding
I have these hashes from when the first dmca happened.
Hash v1:404295db91d035ae11395ad1755ab7e5dc8b6f19 Hash v2: f2bd7dbfd7ec2e25c9e848cf0b17d771332e57e3ba109368e111c0a45967966e
Ask and ye shall receive
Suyu hosts their own repo
https://git.suyu.dev/suyu/suyu
Suyu also hosts full backups of other projects, for example Yuzu, Ryujinx or Dolphin
Unless the donations continue to flow, that repo won't last forever because hosting and serving data isn't free.
Eh, you can host a gitea instance on a $3.50 VPS pretty easily. I don't think money will be an issue when it comes to hosting and serving.
I got one of these. I dont understand why theyre going after us now. I thought their issue was all the money they were making off of "promoting piracy".
Im guess im not surprised
Nintendo just wants emulators gone. They only use those excuses as a front.
Meanwhile ryujinx be like "nothing to see here"
IANAL, but they should be fine since they aren't decrypting / breaking DRM they same way Yuzu was. They are a much cleaner codebase, much more similar to mGBA and Dolphin.
But did yuzu actually break DRM? I thought that if I dumped my own game and keys with a modded (1st gen) switch and feed all of that into yuzu, nothing illegal would be going on.
I don't believe Yuzu went to court, but that was the accusation Nintendo was suing them over. Ryujinx wasn't sued, so Nintendo either didn't believe they had done the same, or didn't care. We didn't get to have a discovery process for the case to find out for sure, so we don't know.
iirc it was yuzu who linked tools to do it, but the application itself didnt do it. Yuzus main problem was often linking to resources and advertising stuff, and partially locking it behind a paywall.
They allegedly also advertised that newegames, like TotK was running better on the EA builds and there's the suspicion that the yuzu team also distributed the keys via torrents. All of these are just allegations, though.
The paywall as far as I know isn't that much of problem. Cemu has/had a paywall for years. Several other, though less successful, emulators have had paywalled content/early access as well. The BLEEM emulator that was brought to court was a paid commercial product. So that currently is perfectly legal within the jurisdiction of those cases. Nintendo's case against Yuzu was about piracy/DRM circumvention. That wasn't brought to court, so we don't know the outcome however.
No, yuzu's main problem was being a for-profit company. That seemed to be central to Nintendo's case against them. The company behind yuzu was making millions.
Paid emulators have existed for ages and have won in US courts before.
Ryujinx is nowhere near as popular as Yuzu, so that probably has a lot to do with it.
It's also possible that they wouldn't win against Ryujinx. There's evidence of Yuzu devs sharing roms with each other to test out games, so it's possible that they settled to avoid discovery.
This is probably in a legal grey area in the US. The Yuzu case was settled out of court because Nintendo had dirt on the team behind it, so it's unclear whether a judge would rule that this kind of circumvention is legal.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240309174752/https://github.com/pineappleEA/pineapple-src Fortunately web archive still preserve it. But, idk how long
I recently found out about Softwareheritage, they also have yuzu mirrored.
https://archive.softwareheritage.org/browse/origin/directory/?origin_url=https://github.com/yuzu-emu/yuzu
Why there's no decentralized github-like ?
Git is already decentralised. Every github-like is interoperable with every other github-like. But just because something works together with many others doesn't makes it invulnerable to legal takedowns. Nintendo is a gaming company. They have no problems playing whack-a-mole, as demonstrated here.
Yeah, but Nintendo hasn't won a lawsuit, which means the code isn't illegal to share. They just convinced GitHub to take it down.
They convinced GitHub to send takedown notices, which can be appealed. They're legally required to do this under the DMCA.
I think there's a difference between distributed and decentralised. But apart from that 👍
There's are a few, but they're pretty new. Codeberg / Forejo seems to be the most popular, at the moment.
But it's not yet federalized. I host my forgejo instance but others can't yet create issues there.
I've been kinda low key waiting for federation on Feorejo to move most of my personal projects off of GitHub. I've been busy anyway, so I guess, for me, it's a race between their clever devs and my procrastinating...
I'm so excited for it. Forgejo is by itself fully usable, but I want to be able to federate stuff.
Me too. GitHub is a huge part of my professional portfolio. I don't like trusting a single corporation with that much of my employment future. I saw colleagues who relied heavily of Twitter have a really bad time when it descended into bots and spam.
Forejo seems like the logical next step to protect my professional portfolio.
GitHub is huge for visibility, don't underestimate it. I put everything on my git server and mirror my important projects to GitHub and codeberg.org. One of the things I'm excited about is a method of discover ability for my stuff. And if course collaboration being possible on my server, as others can't open issues and stuff on my server.
Yeah. I'll keep things on GitHub, as well. GitHub has been very good for my professional portfolio.
But I'm hoping to get to where my primary activity is on my own servers, and everything is mirrored to GitGub, or vice-versa. That way, if GitHub decides to hold my portfolio hostage, I can just redirect my resume link and get on with my life.
Check out forgejo. While git is „decentralized“ it is not discoverable. Forgejo is pretty much there afaik using ap protocol.
Give Up GitHub!
Btw Suyu hosts a full backup of Yuzu (and other stuff like Ryujinx or Dolphin in case it gets taken down at some point) on their Forgejo instance
It's also available via Tor as an onion site: http://suyudev2qxj5x7mroamgwf4hqunz4pups27z2kl77x4ioqhh5yhpshad.onion/
I'm wondering if that's going to stay up for long considering what happened with the Suyu team last month.
I'm referring to this and this
What exactly are you referring to?
I just hope the Citra forks won't be targeted. Citra was only killed as collateral damage, but I still can't help but be nervous anyway...
Bro, they have to stop!