Team Biden Roasts 'Feeble, Confused, Tired' Trump After Unhinged Presser
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The president has been going after his presumptive 2024 opponent with a little more venom than usual
Joe Biden is taking it to Donald Trump.
The president’s campaign responded to Trump’s wild press conference in New York on Monday by slamming the former president as “weak and desperate — both as a man and a candidate for President.”
“He spent the weekend golfing, the morning comparing himself to Jesus, and the afternoon lying about having money he definitely doesn’t have,” the statement read, adding that “America deserves better than a feeble, confused, and tired Donald Trump.”
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Definitely true.
But America also deserves someone better than Biden.
We have two shit tier options, and no matter who wins, America loses.
Cut the both-sides shit. Trump is a convicted sex criminal and fraud who wants to end democracy. There is objectively a better choice between the two.
the only valid both sides is they are both way too old for the job. 1 old guy will give you the chance to vote for someone else in 4 years, the other will not. 1 guy has a record, tho spotty, looking out for your middle class, the other ...
One guy isn’t good enough and the other guy is hard to adequately express how bad he is
What is it with all the people who can't understand that better doesn't mean good?
Biden is good, he's just not great. To get someone better you need democracy and there's a high chance we will lose that under Trump.
The comment seems more intended to push voters away from Biden and toward an RFK option than convincing anyone to vote for Trump. It's stupid and easy to attack back, but we also need to be careful about what the strategy is.
Trump isnt a convicted sex criminal... and the other guy has some serious sexual allegations too, outside of being creepy around kids
He was found liable for sexual abuse in NY civil court and fined $5 million for it.
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/09/politics/e-jean-carroll-trump-lawsuit-battery-defamation-verdict/index.html
The judge made it very clear Trump is a rapist, saying:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/
Biden has never been charged in civil or criminal court for any sexual impropriety. It is simply a lie that there are any serious sexual allegations against him.
He was not convicted of rape.
And if you compare what biden allegedly did to what trump allegedly did, Bidens accusation seems much more accurate. It actually had colloborating evidence at the time, vs no evidence against trump.
The judge in the case said Trump was convicted of rape. There are no credible accusations against Biden. You are repeating lies.
Please tell me one of the juror names in the trump rape conviction.
Why dont you believe women when they claim they are raped?
The jurors are anonymous as is common in trials where the defendant has a history of calling for violence against people he views as his enemies.
I believe women who take their rapists to court.
Jurors are allowed to disclose if they were on a case. So you are saying that there was a case he was convicted in by a jury?
Gotcha, so women that are too embarrassed, or dont want the public scrutiny are just liars then? Really?!?
Funny how you understand that rape victims might not want public scrutiny, but you don't understand jurors from a high profile case might want the same.
Also funny how Tara Reade only accused Biden while he was running against Trump and then moved to Russia to do interviews with a known Russian spy. She told no one it happened at the time (1993) and there is no evidence of any complaints. Not all women are liars but Reade absolutely is.
Gotcha then there was a jury trial, how long was trump sentenced?
Uh, except she did tell her mother and her mother literally called in to a show and told the host, an unknown guy named Larry King.
Trump was charged in civil court for raping Eugene Carol and was ordered to pay $5 million in restitution plus another $83 million for continuing to defame her after the original verdict.
A dead mother and a tape that doesn't mention any sexual assault is pretty shitty evidence.
Uh, civil court is not a conviction of a crime...
Gotcha, you do not believe women if you like their assaulter. Thats terrible.
Are you wanting to compare the two rape cases?
No thank you. I don't like to engage too much with people who can't be bothered to proof-read their own posts.
Nor do I enjoy discussions with people who are so assured of their own self-righteousness that they ignore documented facts in lieu of their own personal opinions.
It just so happens that I also don't much enjoy arguing with people who have a documented public history of arguing in bad faith.
Oh yeah, i am totally the one ignoring facts...
Well, at least you acknowledge it. That's a start. You're more self-aware than the bulk of the 'righteous crusaders of truth™' that I've encountered.
Just for fun, because I'm bored, what facts have I ignored so far in our conversation? Remember, I'm @LengAwaits. Don't get me confused with the other people you've been talking to. I'm a different person who hasn't weighed in on any of your supposed "facts" so far. I'm not here to argue about popular political figures. I'm only here to call out glaring biases and bad faith arguments. Surely you'll engage with me on a more intellectual level than what you've so far managed to muster?
It's not both-sides to say that Genocide Joe sucks ass. Yes, Trump is worse. But Biden is still awful. I don't say that in some effort to appease the right or sound somehow neutral, I say it because it's true.
Nah, you say it to sap unity and make people stay home from voting.
Your vibe is the same as the girls who say they bluntly "tell it as they see it" in their dating profile, but anyone with any relationship experience knows that means they're completely willing to make things toxic as fuck because they'll just vomit their selfish so called truth anywhere without caring about consequences or how it destroys, because it serves some sort of other motivation for them.
Using words to encourage people to embrace hopelessness and not vote is a propaganda technique to put Trump back in the Whitehouse, and him being there weakens the nation so immensely and catastrophically that it's extremely attractive to cash and weapons poor enemies to plop someone in front of a cheap computer to spread propaganda to attempt to destroy a nation from within. People who can't fight the US with military might will use words instead.
In short, your words are not neutral. You're either what is called a useful idiot, an ordinary person who swallowed outside propaganda whole and does the work of other interests here, or you're a knowing perpetrator.
I hope people here use whatever skills they picked up in English class however many years ago to think about not just the exact words of the poster I'm responding to, but why they posted this thing at this moment, their motivations beyond what they claim they are, and the effects of an appeal to truth on a reader and how that can influence perception even when the thing said isn't actually necessarily true or contains such a small flake of some truth that it is effectively turns into a lie when put beside the bigger and more vast and complicated truths.
People shouldn't stay home on election day just because Biden is a terrible piece of shit. People should go at the very least to vote down ballot, if not to vote against Trump. Nor should people feel hopeless. There are so many avenues to pursue outside of simple electoral politics (again, do vote). But I'm not going to cave to this loyalty test bullshit. Also the money is good, praise Mother Russia.
Yes. That is literally what I said.
Look, I agree that "telling it like it is" can be a toxic trait (although as long as we're discussing the subtext, it's interesting that you used the example of "girls". I'm sure you didn't mean to, I'm not leveling accusations at you, we all do this to some degree or another, but that is definitely an appeal to misogyny. You could have compared me to Bill Maher, which frankly would have pissed me off a whole lot more). But the truth does matter, and appeals to nuance/arguing procedural or rhetorical points while ignoring the realities is also toxic. Children in Gaza are dying, and Biden has actively helped with that. Call it propaganda, call it whatever you want, but innocent people are dead, as a result of a genocidal campaign helped by Biden.
"no matter who wins, America loses"
That sounds like both-sides to me. Biden has done some objectively great things for Americans even with a senate fighting him for the first 2 years and a Congress for the last 2
I can definitely point to more good things Biden has done in his term than Trump did in his. Plus there's the mountain of Trump's crimes to compare with the non-mountain of non-crimes on Biden's side. Of course, I'm not a fan of Biden's authoritarian tendencies, but again Trump is far worse in that area.
Ah yes, someone who enables genocide by continuing existing funding practices is totally deserving of that specific nickname while the other guy who has repeatedly said he would literally do what Israel is doing and that Israel should 'finish the job' doesn't get a pithy nickname.
The cosplayers will always write "Genocide Joe" and will always fail to note that Donald is intentionally referencing the "Final Solution" from the Nazis.
I don't know what you're on about... They're obviously and completely unbiased, and anyone who says otherwise will also get a pithy nickname
/s for anyone who needed it
Ah so you stoop to name calling to give your argument credence.
Dude, your choice is between an insurrectionist fraud who is almost certainly a Russian asset and a moderate.
While Biden may not be the perfect candidate, the choice of who to vote for isn't difficult.
Yeah, but I'm in of the more than 50% of states Biden has zero chance of winning.
The only time my state has went D in recent history was when a young progressive outsider won the Dem primary. And in the 16 years since the DNC has taken a lot of steps to ensure that never happens again.
Most recently taking NH's delegates away.
If the DNC wants to win my state, they're going to have to stop running neoliberals, regardless of how I personally vote.
But the DNC doesn't want to win if it means a progressive candidate.
So you can blame one random voter for having morals, or you can blame the DNC for not giving voters what they want for easy wins.
What do you think is more productive?
Ah, so your answer is to bitch and moan about both candidates until election day which you won't even be participating in. Got it.
People reading along here should note this person is trying to turn blue states purple, they admit it with their own words, and they are appealing to morality to lure suckers in.
As if nobody but them is a moral person
Bullshit.
But a lot of us have religious triggers planted deep, yeah? That if you toddle along with the person claiming they are of virtue, maybe you'll be a good person too?
Anyway.
Vote like your hair is on fire, because if assholes like this fine upstanding "moral" person has their say and causes blue voters to stay home, we're gonna be fucked, just as we were before. They're trying the same tactic that worked before even to give us Trump. And why wouldn't they? It worked.
No state is "safe" from flipping.
Also note that playing with voting demographics is why a lot of the anti-abortion laws are being pushed...to cleanse purple states of blue voters by driving them out. So when you see anyone encouraging you not to vote because a state is safe, understand it's part of an effort to flip states from blue or purple to red.
In the last 60 years, my state has voted for Dems twice...
To get it up to three, you have to go back 90 years, that's longer than Biden has been alive, barely
"not enough people in my state vote D and that's a bad thing"
"I'll never vote for a Democrat in my state unless they're perfect and that's a good thing"
Okay then.
Why do you think that is?
i can blame both simultaneously
if we end up with a fascist president, it is both
Ok man, if Biden loses my state by one vote and trump becomes president you can 100% blame me..
Last time he lost my state by about half a million tho, so I think I'm safe....
Read what happened during bush v gore. Your vote matters, you can spare the 15min-4 hours depending on location once every 2-4 years. Sure it's a shit show, but you're actively letting the shit show get shittier by trying to prove a point to the DNC, which you eluded to not giving a fuck what you think.
Oh I'm still voting. Haven't missed an election since I turned 18.
Downballot races matter. Not just House/Senate, but local and judges.
But I'm not throwing my morals in the trashcan to vote Biden when he has zero chance of winning.mybstate anyways. I've blindly voted straight ticket for decades. I can't keep doing it. For president I'm probably going to leave it blank or write in.
Because I've seen what happens when Democrats no longer try for anyone's votes except Republicans.
If they think anyone left of republicans are obligated to vote "blue no matter who" them they'll never change.
As long as progressives vote for neoliberals, we'll never get anything. The DNC only responds to bullshit like this, so this is the only chance at getting the DNC to listen to voters.
There is an immediate grave danger to everyone you know and more that you don't. Sometimes you have to figure that into your moral compass as well. Think of it like stealing bread to feed your family. It looks like you've put a lot of thought into this decision, and I hope you continue to.
Everybody has a line.
Mine is going around Congress to ban aid to genocide victims.
Maybe Dems haven't crossed your personal line yet.
I truly hope they never do.
There's a lot I don't agree with and frankly some stuff I'm disgusted by. That said, there are worse things to be avoided. The opposition is not going to do Palestine any favors, in fact they boast of the extreme opposite.
Like I said, I hope they don't cross whatever line you have.
But the DNC has been showing us for decades that as long as you still vote D, they don't give a single fuck what you want.
The only thing they respond to is people not voting. So...
Hopefully they learn not ignore the left, or else they'll keep moving right until we all reach out personal line.
I really really wish there was another way. But we can't even count on having primaries anymore.
Do you think NH republicans are going to change NH state law by 2028 so the DNC gives them delegates again?
I see no reason for that to happen, and the DNC won't back down because NH doesn't vote how the DNC wants.
I can't keep supporting them.
Look, let's get this out of the way. I'm not a Democrat. Didn't vote for Biden or Trump at any point. Yet comparing them one is clearly capable and one is not. How does that make them equal? That's delusional thinking.
Do I want a better candidate than either of them? Sure, but it's not going to happen this election cycle. And yes it's fucked these are the only choices we get.
Yet which one is really likely to fuck us over? The answer to that isn't Biden. Not by a longshot.
The problem with this is that we have history with both of them, and we can see what they did. I am not going to vote for either of them, but biden has been objectively an incompetent president, probably the worst president in the modern era outside of Bush.
so between eating a shit sandwich or being driven off a cliff and potentially dying, you'd chose death? honestly the dumbest take I've heard in a while. thanks for the laugh, I guess 🤡
You can claim what you wish, but the current president is the one that got us invovled in two wars that lead directly to WW3. Just because you guys got TDS doesnt meant the delusions are true.
No one said it was.
If you can vote for a president who not only went around Congress to fund a genocide, but also went around Congress to prevent aid to the victims...
That's your decision that you will have to live with
Maybe that's not a big deal for you. Maybe it's harder on me because I'm a third generation disabled veteran.
But everyone has a line. I truly help the DNC gets better before your line is crossed.
I hope you do understand that Trump isn't any better in this regard - he isn't just going to continue funding Israel like Biden currently is, he's already expressed his full support of Netanyahu's genocidal actions and will seek to help him further.
You can choose not to vote, but understand that if enough people come in with that same attitude, Trump will win, because his supporters don't care what his policies on Israel are, they just want him to win.
supporters of trump and biden have so much in common!
What's the point of not replying to one comment, scrolling down, and trying to start a new chain with the same person?
Like, I've explained everything you're asking about multiple times already... If you can't understand it, maybe it's because you're jumping around this thread and replying randomly to different comments?
I just don't see the point, unless you're intentionally just trying to waste people's time.
I know understanding complicated political issues is hard, and I 100% understand if you just give up. But don't go to the same thread and reply to the same person to have the same conversation you gave up on.
Mostly because other people already have echoed the exact same sentiment I would have, and I figured it wasn't worth chiming in. However, as nobody has bothered to reply to you here, I thought I would.
Having said that, if you really want my view, I'll give it to you...
What you explained is that you're in a state Biden is likely to lose, and that to have any chance of him winning you think the DNC would need a much more progressive candidate. That's a valid viewpoint....
However, refusing to vote in protest because of that is just plain stupid. For all intents and purposes, it's a two party system, so refusing to vote for one party helps the other party - which in this case is Trump.
And as far as your question goes, they're not mutually exclusive. I can blame the DNC shifting slowly closer and closer right in order to appeal to moderates whilst also blaming all of the protesters who think they're just one person, who think their refusal won't affect anything because everyone else will vote anyway - you act morally righteous when in reality all your protesting is doing is helping those who'd do far worse.
And that brings me to what you haven't explained, at least not to me - how can you refuse to vote Biden because of him continuing funding towards Israel whilst knowing that the person your protest would enable doesn't just want to continue the very same funding, but also openly supports Netanyahu in his genocide!
You're either acting as a useful idiot cutting your nose off to spite your face, or knowingly trying to disenframchise the people who would vote for Biden. Neither is a good look really.
You make it out like you've got a galactic brain, 1000 IQ, incomprehensible opinion when in reality it comes down to either you vote for the future of democracy, or you do nothing and doom it whilst moaning that we should've all done better.
If NH had primary delegates, I'd believe you.
But only state republicans can change the law that NH goes first. So if you're worried about the future of democracy, you might want to pay more attention to who you're voting for.
Because it's looking like the DNC won't let NH have a say anytime soon, and I seriously doubt they'll be the only ones.
Hell, half the states haven't even voted in a primary before people start calling it over.
The system doesn't work, and it hasn't for a long time.
If everyone always votes D no matter what, shit will keep getting worse. There has to be standards
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I'm sure we will be okay with Biden. Quit your dramatics.
Do we really? I'm not so sure.
Oh, there you go again
Sucka, you got took.
Actually, it doesn't.
Yeah totally agree. Biden is the least bad as an outsider, but he's still a shit candidate and the fact the Democrats chose him shows how weak and poorly run they are as a party.
Biden is the least bad option in a 2 man race but fundamentally US democracy is broken and rotten to its core.
The fact polls show it neck and neck at this stage, given trumps legal woes and his attempt to overthrow the last election result, bodes very badly.