I recall he claimed fully automated driving would be ready by 2016, and back then I actually believed him.
When other makers said the technology was at least 5 years away, and probably more like 10, I thought they were losers who couldn't compete.
LOL apparently I too was an idiot for believing Musk, My wife and I even bought a house in the country, where driving a car is a must for shopping and daily life in general, in confidence that we soon would have fully autonomous cars.
1 thing is for sure, when we finally switch to fully electric cars, there is zero chance they will be Tesla, and that's not because he made 1 mistake.
Yeah, an article with such a headline should be banned from all news-themed communities since 2016 at the very latest, when he proclaimed that autonomous driving is a solved problem.
Wow, he looks so wise in that photo. You would never know that he is actually an idiot irl.
Reminds me of Arrested Development and the magazine picture
Maybe if you used LIDAR you'd have self-driving cars by now, you moron.
Regardless, he's saying this stupid shit for more than 10 years now. Self driving cannot be solved without an artificial general intelligence because there has to be an understanding of what other people are going to be doing
Eh. You can probably solve it with a good enough artificial narrow intelligence. Or/and dedicated infrastructure, inter-car communication protocols, etc. The issue is it's solving the wrong problem altogether.
Years ago (maybe still) Microsoft had a research facility for self-driving infrastructure. Instead of putting all the recognition and awareness in the car itself, a lot of it was offloaded the mini city they built. Streets and stop signs with embedded RFID, etc.
This, of course, doesn't stop pedestrians from dying. But I thought it was a cool approach to the problem to "update the world" instead of trying to make a product that navigates our unmodernized infrastructure
At this point wouldn't it better to just build railway for trams?
Maybe, though trams only work in town. I couldn't go see my family with a tram but I could put my self-driving city car in manual and take it out past the cornfields.
I think a lot of things have to change outside of major cities for public transportation to really take off as a concept here. There is SO much "empty" space in the US, it's hard to imagine getting infrastructure out there that mainly only benefits a handful of people
If there was dedicated lanes/infrastructure it might be possible but makes more sense for cities to improve public transportation. A bus/train is a big fancy car powered by a general intelligence.
I think they used to include RADAR in their cars, which is probably better for handling weather conditions that would interfere with light based systems (fog, snow, rain, etc.). They took it out, with Musk claiming they could do FSD with just cameras. Probably it was about cost or supply, and I think they decided to add it back recently.
Tesla CEO optimistic on Nazis and white supremacists.
Source?
Twitter. All of the it.
Specific post?
Oh I'm sure you can figure out the googles by yourself
Billionaire CEO realizes that he needs investor capitol, tells same story as previous 10 years.
Self driving cars are a bad idea. There, I said it. It's solving the wrong problem with technology that is nowhere near ready. The world is simply too dynamic and the "edge cases" matter.
Better safety features, however, will be a great side effect of this research though.
That's not even a controversial take. That's precisely the common sense take.
This is the somewhat controversial take: We don't need driverless cars, we need carless drivers on transit, on foot and on bikes.
I prefer decent public transportation over self driving cars.
It sounds like your saying that self driving cars moving to the consumer market too soon is more of the problem. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, I agree. I think the tech is more like 10-15 years out still at least. There may be other smaller applications sooner but the continued improvement of safety features can be done now.
I'm not even sure 10-15 years is good. They've been 10-15 years for 10-15 years already. I'm personally at the point where they're square in the "flying cars" category (which is coming "real soon now"!).
Detecting things is easy. Finding the road and following it is easy. Stopping the car when an obstruction is in the way is easy. What's not easy are the 100,000 things that the developers haven't thought of that happen in a real-world dynamic environment. And it's a situation where lives are at stake so you need to get those right.
And then there is the issue that we already have "self-driving cars" in the form of light rail, busses, taxis, etc.
I think the combination of human driver with "AI Assist" for cruise control, avoiding obstacles, and other things is likely the way to go for cars for some time.
The Tesla Model Y is literally the safest passenger vehicle available right now.
Self driving vehicles are actually close, but as you said, the edge cases are a bitch.
The thing is it's been "real close" for ~10 years. But they've solved the "easy" problems. In development you spend 90% of your time on 10% of the problems. This is why fusion power has been "real close" for 30 years as well. Those remaining problems are the hard ones.
I genuinely don't know why Tesla doesn't just focus on the safety aspects of their tech rather than the "self-driving" BS. Having a car that will stop for me if the car in front slams their brakes on unexpectedly is a great thing. That's a lot of accidents avoided.
Having a self driving car will be amazing.
Decent public transportation will be even better.
So will flying cars. I hear we'll have them in 10-15 years.
I just wanna be able to sleep on my way to the destination.
Then take a train or a bus. I doubt we'll ever get to the point where self-driving cars are reliable enough that you could legally sleep while it is in operation. Especially not in our lifetime.
This is what I love about carpools, actually.
Trains and busses are inconvenient and inferior to cars.
Then you'll never be able to sleep while commuting. 🤷♂️
Self driving cars are the answer
So there is no answer. Because they're not available.
Did I say autopilot was safe? I said the Tesla Model Y was the safest car - you know, by test crash ratings.
I hate Musk as much as the next guy, but people can't separate that ass from the actual good things produced by some of the companies he owns.
FSD is fine if you still drive the car. People don't do that, so it's actually dangerous in the real world. It should be marketed VERY differently.
If you get into an accident, being in a Tesla is actually safer than a lot of cars because the car itself is very safe.
Of course everyone hates Musk, so anything related to Musk has to be down voted. Any opinion other than Space-X and Tesla is as shit as Twitter and Musk himself is wrong.
Is this the 2023 version of this article?
or the 2022?
or the 2021?
or the 2020?
...
or the 2012?
I recall he claimed fully automated driving would be ready by 2016, and back then I actually believed him.
When other makers said the technology was at least 5 years away, and probably more like 10, I thought they were losers who couldn't compete.
LOL apparently I too was an idiot for believing Musk, My wife and I even bought a house in the country, where driving a car is a must for shopping and daily life in general, in confidence that we soon would have fully autonomous cars.
1 thing is for sure, when we finally switch to fully electric cars, there is zero chance they will be Tesla, and that's not because he made 1 mistake.
Yeah, an article with such a headline should be banned from all news-themed communities since 2016 at the very latest, when he proclaimed that autonomous driving is a solved problem.
Wow, he looks so wise in that photo. You would never know that he is actually an idiot irl.
Reminds me of Arrested Development and the magazine picture
Maybe if you used LIDAR you'd have self-driving cars by now, you moron.
Regardless, he's saying this stupid shit for more than 10 years now. Self driving cannot be solved without an artificial general intelligence because there has to be an understanding of what other people are going to be doing
Eh. You can probably solve it with a good enough artificial narrow intelligence. Or/and dedicated infrastructure, inter-car communication protocols, etc. The issue is it's solving the wrong problem altogether.
Years ago (maybe still) Microsoft had a research facility for self-driving infrastructure. Instead of putting all the recognition and awareness in the car itself, a lot of it was offloaded the mini city they built. Streets and stop signs with embedded RFID, etc.
This, of course, doesn't stop pedestrians from dying. But I thought it was a cool approach to the problem to "update the world" instead of trying to make a product that navigates our unmodernized infrastructure
At this point wouldn't it better to just build railway for trams?
Maybe, though trams only work in town. I couldn't go see my family with a tram but I could put my self-driving city car in manual and take it out past the cornfields.
I think a lot of things have to change outside of major cities for public transportation to really take off as a concept here. There is SO much "empty" space in the US, it's hard to imagine getting infrastructure out there that mainly only benefits a handful of people
If there was dedicated lanes/infrastructure it might be possible but makes more sense for cities to improve public transportation. A bus/train is a big fancy car powered by a general intelligence.
I think they used to include RADAR in their cars, which is probably better for handling weather conditions that would interfere with light based systems (fog, snow, rain, etc.). They took it out, with Musk claiming they could do FSD with just cameras. Probably it was about cost or supply, and I think they decided to add it back recently.
Tesla CEO optimistic on Nazis and white supremacists.
Source?
Twitter. All of the it.
Specific post?
Oh I'm sure you can figure out the googles by yourself
So no source. Got it.
Ah, a sealion out in the wild.
Billionaire CEO realizes that he needs investor capitol, tells same story as previous 10 years.
Self driving cars are a bad idea. There, I said it. It's solving the wrong problem with technology that is nowhere near ready. The world is simply too dynamic and the "edge cases" matter.
Better safety features, however, will be a great side effect of this research though.
That's not even a controversial take. That's precisely the common sense take.
This is the somewhat controversial take: We don't need driverless cars, we need carless drivers on transit, on foot and on bikes.
I prefer decent public transportation over self driving cars.
It sounds like your saying that self driving cars moving to the consumer market too soon is more of the problem. Am I understanding that correctly? If so, I agree. I think the tech is more like 10-15 years out still at least. There may be other smaller applications sooner but the continued improvement of safety features can be done now.
I'm not even sure 10-15 years is good. They've been 10-15 years for 10-15 years already. I'm personally at the point where they're square in the "flying cars" category (which is coming "real soon now"!).
Detecting things is easy. Finding the road and following it is easy. Stopping the car when an obstruction is in the way is easy. What's not easy are the 100,000 things that the developers haven't thought of that happen in a real-world dynamic environment. And it's a situation where lives are at stake so you need to get those right.
And then there is the issue that we already have "self-driving cars" in the form of light rail, busses, taxis, etc.
I think the combination of human driver with "AI Assist" for cruise control, avoiding obstacles, and other things is likely the way to go for cars for some time.
The Tesla Model Y is literally the safest passenger vehicle available right now.
Self driving vehicles are actually close, but as you said, the edge cases are a bitch.
The thing is it's been "real close" for ~10 years. But they've solved the "easy" problems. In development you spend 90% of your time on 10% of the problems. This is why fusion power has been "real close" for 30 years as well. Those remaining problems are the hard ones.
I genuinely don't know why Tesla doesn't just focus on the safety aspects of their tech rather than the "self-driving" BS. Having a car that will stop for me if the car in front slams their brakes on unexpectedly is a great thing. That's a lot of accidents avoided.
Having a self driving car will be amazing.
Decent public transportation will be even better.
So will flying cars. I hear we'll have them in 10-15 years.
I just wanna be able to sleep on my way to the destination.
Then take a train or a bus. I doubt we'll ever get to the point where self-driving cars are reliable enough that you could legally sleep while it is in operation. Especially not in our lifetime.
This is what I love about carpools, actually.
Trains and busses are inconvenient and inferior to cars.
Then you'll never be able to sleep while commuting. 🤷♂️
Self driving cars are the answer
So there is no answer. Because they're not available.
Hopefully soon!!
Take the train
Train doesn't go where I need it to go
Don't make laugh: https://www.washingtonpost.com/technology/2023/06/10/tesla-autopilot-crashes-elon-musk/
Did I say autopilot was safe? I said the Tesla Model Y was the safest car - you know, by test crash ratings.
I hate Musk as much as the next guy, but people can't separate that ass from the actual good things produced by some of the companies he owns.
FSD is fine if you still drive the car. People don't do that, so it's actually dangerous in the real world. It should be marketed VERY differently.
If you get into an accident, being in a Tesla is actually safer than a lot of cars because the car itself is very safe.
Of course everyone hates Musk, so anything related to Musk has to be down voted. Any opinion other than Space-X and Tesla is as shit as Twitter and Musk himself is wrong.
https://www.theverge.com/2022/9/14/23353787/elon-musk-tesla-lawsuit-autopilot-full-self-driving-promises
Yeah - but what Musk says has no bearing on reality. It could still happen even if he's far too optimistic about it.
“Tesla CEO”. lol
Doesn't seem far fetched for bots to self-drive Tesla's since the bots are self-driving Twitter.