what OS should I use instead of xubuntu?

merompetehla@lemmy.ml to Linux@lemmy.ml – 43 points –

I found out that xubuntu spams users including me, which to me is a no go.

I'm looking for a linux based ad free distro that lets me work with libreoffice, vlc, tbb, transmission, okular, pdfarranger, hexchat, gimp and ocr.

I'm going to use it to edit text, watch movies, download multimedia, chat and edit audio with audacity.

it's not going to be a server and I'd like to work with the terminal as much as possible. At the same time, I'm a newbie.

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Just use Debian. Why use the inferior downstream distros when you can go right to the OG? You are already halfway there.

Debian doesn't have a corporate sponsor so there is no risk of getting spammed or giving someone your personal information.

They do have corporate sponsors. It just that the corporate sponsors do not want to see ads anymore than you do. They are have strong community leadership that is powered equally.

There is a reason there are tons of Debian distros. They all make a difference.

just go stock debian xfce, keep it simple.

It's what my 70 year old mother is perfectly happy with for several years since I told her to drop lubuntu.

install flatpack +flathub f you want even more app convenience.

MX > stock

Would you mind elaborating?

I'm aware that MX works on a lot of excellent GUI tools that are shipped with it. Which is great, but perhaps necessary; because they ship a systemd-less distro. Which, in the end, might cause more work than it should. (I'm aware this is in part caused by software just assuming that systemd is installed by default.) And while I think it's a noble endeavour to maintain a relatively easy systemd-less distro, I don't think it's enough to justify a recommendation to a relatively new Linux user. Would you mind sharing your thoughts on this?

sysVinit is only the default, it comes with systemd as well.

The tools are useful no matter the init system, and make life easier, especially for beginners.

In essence MX is just Debian with tools to make desktop use easier.

This is the answer. Current stable Debian already has the latest release of Xfce (4.18); and for recent gui apps there's flatpak.

For packages like syncthing you can enable official apt repos to get the latest versions.

Other packages for which the latest versions are desirable though the flatpak versions get a bit too finicky (like vim & emacs), you can compile from source. It's not hard, even for a newbie.

@merompetehla Linux Mint XFCE is basically the same thing as Xubuntu, except without Canonical's bad proprietary decisions like snaps. It's much more of a drop-in replacement than, say, Debian.

If you are using Xubuntu 22.04, it should be possible to switch without reinstallation, as Linux Mint and Ubuntu are binary compatible as Mint uses Ubuntu's repos and only adds Mint-specific packages in its own repo.

I think they are just referring to the Ubuntu pro ads.

This is not spam. If you have random outdated packages from the universe repo on your system it will tell you that they would ALSO offer support for those if you get Ubuntu pro.

Maybe too often, idk. But Linux Mint will "fix" this by also running these old maybe insecure packages but not even offering security fixes.

People need to step down their weird Linux-entitlement horses, and get that Free Software is not free as in free beer.

Can I ask what you consider "spamming ads" to be? That could be relevant to suggesting alternatives.

I need to use one of these https://github.com/Skyedra/UnspamifyUbuntu not to get an invitation to join ubuntu pro each time I upgrade.

this never happened before. To me this is invasive, but otherwise it has worked well so far.

according to the github readme, you can just run sudo pro config set apt_news=false to disable those

if you have things set up the way you like on xubuntu, it's maybe worth it to just do that rather than start fresh

thats just a short term fixes too though. the ads will get more intrusive and annoying. and at some point pro ads will just turning themselves back on. because this is a company and it wants to sell things.

Afaik you will get this message because you use Ubuntu LTS. Which ships outdated, "stable" packages.

The solution is not just silencing that message and continuing to use them, but some way to get updates OR security backports for them.

Who needs stable anyway. We all should just use Arch. (Not an excuse Ubuntu showing ads)

Edit: this is a joke

Stable means randomly cut off package updates.

Continuous testing and integration is the best way for normal usage. With the iterations "bleeding edge" "fresh" "slightly tested" and "tested"

I disagree

Fedora works way better than Arch ever will and requires much less upkeep

Yes but Fedora is semi-rolling, something in the middle. This is about Ubuntu LTS, a traditional LTS version that cuts off packages on some random version.

This should really only be done if

  1. The programs have a supported LTS/ESR version (Linux Kernel, Firefox, Thunderbird...) (btw GNOME, Chromium etc. dont have one)
  2. The packagers have a lot of time, the users pay money and the packagers actually make those versions as bug free and secure as possible, while keeping the feature freeze

Ubuntu is trying to do 2. but have this separation in there to get money.

I would use Debian way before I would use Ubuntu. If 3 years of support isn't enough I would use something RHEL

So if one wanted to run Arch but were of a similar opinion to you, then they could run Manjaro, which is also a semi-rolling release distro. It’s just on the monthly cadence.

Everyone has their opinions on distros. Doesn’t mean any one opinion is wrong.

Any software that is in the Xubuntu repositories will also be available in other Ubuntu derivatives, and most likely Debian and all its derivatives as well. Only the official spins are likely to advertise Ubuntu Pro.

Mint XFCE is a good replacement, but I'm also partial to KDE Neon, which keeps preinstalled software to a minimum and is by far the most performant KDE distro I have tried. I myself use regular Debian, with KDE, though you can choose XFCE during the install.

Do you have any thoughts on KDE neon vs kubuntu? I'm looking to get back into daily driving Linux after a multi year break

I haven't had much experience with Kubuntu, but I do know it has more preinstalled apps, slightly older versions of those apps (where KDE Neon has the latest version of every KDE app the day it releases), but slightly newer non-KDE apps in the non-LTS releases, and is more beholden to Canonical's decisions, such as advertising Ubuntu Pro during upgrades or forcibly installing some programs as snaps. Kubuntu might hold your hand a bit more under certain circumstances, while KDE Neon keeps things simpler, but the difference in ease of use is not that significant, especially if you have any experience with Linux in the last ten years or so.

Cool ty. Advertising is a non starter for me so it sounds like KDE neon is the way to go. I also prefer a more minimalist approach (but not at the cost of stability) so that seems like a better fit too.

I would advise taking either fedora or Mint KDE spins. The KDE 6 update was hard scuffed on Neon, and I take that as pretty strong evidence that their test infrastructure is not mature enough.

This sort of event would be totally unacceptable to me on a system I needed to use.

Oof. Thanks for this. Looks like Tuxedo OS might be the best of both worlds

i just installed it about a week ago and it's been good to me. used arch for years but i'm tired of fixing random shit in updates

Btw, OP, I foresee a switch to Linux Mint Xfce Edition. Please consider writing about your experiences in which you compare Xubuntu to Linux Mint Xfce Edition. Thanks in advance!

@merompetehla
With that question only gonna get you people likes.
If you can explain what do you need in the system and what do you need it for, the answers would be much better

I'm in the same spot and 95% settled on moving to debian.

xubuntu has been good to me the last 10yrs. But its been about xfce, ubuntu got be part of the relationship because it was easy when i knew very little about linux. that and it can run well on a potato with a bunch of computer parts just duct taped randomly onto it. which is basically what my dumpster dived laptop was 10 yes ago.

PeppermintOS everything you need and nothing you don't. Debian based with extra on top. Runs on 2gb ram , fast. Click install and setup but all the terminal stuff you want.since everyone mentions mint , it was a while since I used it. Felt bloated , perhaps better now. I stil say peppermint even for someone coming directly from Windows

Any distro can do what you need. Others have suggested Pop, Mint, Debian, Endeavour, and more. I'd agree with basically all of them. Really it comes down to what you prefer most.

Personally I'd lean more toward Debian as it's a basic distro with very little extra bloat, loads of documentation, incredibly stable, etc. I always prefer a spartan, basic system I can add pieces to as I please, rather than a bunch of preloaded defaults that may or may not be to my taste. Again though, that's just me.

Endeavour is great, but if you aren't used to Arch, and how to maintain it, things can get sort of messy after a while (definitely need to make a good habbit of cleaning your package managers cache, as well as read up on what's called a "pacdiff". In general, Arch and its derivatives require research). It's worth trying if you're interested in rolling distros though.

Another might be OpenSUSE Tumbleweed. From what I hear, it's a bit more stable and curated than Arch so it may be a better option if you're inexperience with a rolling release. I've never personally tried it, but have heard lots of good things from causal and power users alike.

Nobody said Arch yet? The wiki is very comprehensive so you can get by if you're a newbie plus learn a lot.

If you want to work with the terminal as much as possible, it's a decent choice. I only start X/my graphical environment if I need to do non-writing/non-coding activities.

You may need a day to configure wifi, Bluetooth, your de/wm of choice, etc., but if you use Ethernet & just install xfce you should be able to hit the ground running.

Adding to the Mint recommendation, Xfce edition if you're partial to Xfce, or LxQt if you want to try something else lightweight

Fedora KDE. Rock solid stable and my daily driver.