Regardless of what Biden does or doesn’t do, what is with this Pelosi kingmaker bullshit, and why does she have so much standing and influence despite having retired?
She's not retired? Heh.
I mean she’s not dem leader anymore. I know she still represents CA as dean . I just find it strange I’ve seen so many articles mentioning her as though she’s still in charge.
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Edit - and now the recent articles claiming Obama wants Biden to step down too, which is supposedly conjecture and hearsay. It all reads like a hit campaign of known democratic leadership names, and it seems really odd how little coverage there is of the various democratic representatives in full support of Biden.
Obama and Biden are really close friends. If he's lost Obama's confidence, that's a really big deal that absolutely deserves media coverage. Also, Nancy Pelosi has a ton of clout in the Democratic party, that didn't just disappear when she stepped down from leadership
Oh... uh... I thought she was still minority leader. Proving your point. Oops.
She retired as SOTH when Republicans took control after the 2022 midterms. Hakeem Jeffries is the House Minority Leader now.
Call to authority often a persuasive tool for headline readers.
She got stocks to trade and how is she supposed to do that without insider knowledge...
Do you take her for a pleb?
She’s a top fundraiser in the party. She comes from a prominent district. She led the party through historic legislation. She knows what it’s like to step down from a position of power.
Need I say more?
I don't see why u'r getting downvoted. U just explained the power dynamics in the Democratic party. U didn't say u liked Pelosi. Man ppl on Lemmy can rlly be heavy handed with the downvote button.
As one of my favorite chess streamers likes to say “the truth hurts.”
Her amazing 700 percent return on her investments. Its a miracle.
After that someone should persuade her to leave too lol
It does not inspire confidence that they are having this conversation in the press.
This article doesn't mention it but some articles suggested they are resorting to anonymous press leaks to pressure biden because he will not face the reality of what everyone is seeing. They are running out of time to make major changes.
All I see is conservative rhetoric everywhere, calling for Biden to conceded.
Yeah it's more plausible that this type of media is being exploited by bad actors
The Republicans are getting ready to sue to keep him as the nominee, fyi.
Need a reference for this, as I haven't seen or heard this.
Guaranteeing the L in a big way, sorry just the truth.
I honestly don't know if it would be. It'd energy progressives, and I don't know if it'd cost more "moderates." They either are voting against Trump or not already, not for Biden most likely.
I don't see Harris energizing progressives. AOC would, but she'd have to overcome the apathy they have for the top of the ticket.
Biden handily beat Bernie in swing states during 2020 primaries. It sucks because I wish we didn't have to worry about the EC. But we still do. So until it's gone we'll be stuck watching moderate candidates have the best path to winning.
In the primary? Sure. He was also the most well known. How it'd effect the general I don't think is known, especially in this election of all elections. I don't know anyone who's voting for Biden. I know many who are voting against Trump, and for whatever the hell the democrats decide. I'm sure this is true for so many other voters, and I doubt having a progressive VP would change that
-Arizona: Biden 44%, Bernie 33%
-Wisconsin: Biden 63%, Bernie 32%
-Michigan: Biden 53%, Bernie 36%
-Georgia doesn't matter because Bernie dropped out by then but Biden still got 85%
These are all states Harris needs to win again. Where is this mythical progressive vote going to be energized from? It had a chance to pick Bernie again in the 2020 primaries. And did not show up. It sucks cause I voted Bernie 2016 and 2020. But the reality is swing states are where the election is won. And swing states skew moderate.
Again, the primary is not the general. Are the people who voted Biden here going to not vote for the dem candidate? Would some of the Bernie voters going to vote dem who wouldn't vote for Biden? Talking about the primary in reference to the general isn't very useful.
Whatever they decide, they're going to put a lot of thought and money into picking the smartest option. If they go Harris AOC, I'm willing to bet that they knew it'd get the most votes.
The entire fucking point of the primary process is to pick the candidate more people said they'd vote for in the general.
Ignoring the results of that process is what got us Hillary. Who the DNC also assumed would get the most votes. Just like you're making assumptions now without any supporting reasons other than opinion and hope.
TBF, she did actually get the most votes. She was still a disaster candidate.
Which is exactly what I'm getting at. She won the popular vote. By a lot. Dropped the ball in swing states. Lost the election because you win through the EC.
A ticket popular on the coasts and only popular there is gambling with losing the EC again. AOC isn't nearly as popular as people here are suggesting. Harris will have tough odds to beat Trump.
A Harris/AOC ticket isn't going to do well in swing states. It only plays well to states that are already solid blue.
The primary is for engaged people to decide which candidate they want, not to pick the candidate that is best for the general necessarily. That's always one of the talking points candidates need to appeal to, but it isn't the only factor, or even always a major factor. For example, Trump was selected for the Republicans in 2016, and he almost certainly wasn't the "best" candidate.
I think and goddamm I hope I am wrong they are about to push Hillary back on us agaun. I heard she started making moves to come back out in the public and wonder what's behind this.
They think we will be desperate enough that we will vote for her over Trump and they aren't fucking far off. But Harris can't win.
There's no way they'd put the person who lost to Trump and made him president back on the ballot lmao
She may think she has a shot at it, or "deserves" it, who knows what's going on in her brain. But there's just absolutely no way she'll ever end up on this ballot.
But but but it’s her turn!
That would be the stupidest move in the history of stupid political moves. Drop old-as-fuck candidate who beat Trump before, replace him with old-as-fuck candidate who lost to Trump.
Biden stepping aside is possible. No chance that crook polosi will exit the stock market.
Don’t winge about nance-in-advance, trade her trades.
Trading her trades a day late wont make you much money unless you have plenty of money to throw at it. Trying to buy in the day everyone else does is more likely to lose you money on average.
Biden must have been plannin financial reforms or something if these assholes want him out so bad.
If you really want to have an argument, tell your MAGA friend that Biden will be replaced by Hillary, and Kamala will remain as VP.
Regardless of what Biden does or doesn’t do, what is with this Pelosi kingmaker bullshit, and why does she have so much standing and influence despite having retired?
She's not retired? Heh.
I mean she’s not dem leader anymore. I know she still represents CA as dean . I just find it strange I’ve seen so many articles mentioning her as though she’s still in charge.
———
Edit - and now the recent articles claiming Obama wants Biden to step down too, which is supposedly conjecture and hearsay. It all reads like a hit campaign of known democratic leadership names, and it seems really odd how little coverage there is of the various democratic representatives in full support of Biden.
Obama and Biden are really close friends. If he's lost Obama's confidence, that's a really big deal that absolutely deserves media coverage. Also, Nancy Pelosi has a ton of clout in the Democratic party, that didn't just disappear when she stepped down from leadership
Oh... uh... I thought she was still minority leader. Proving your point. Oops.
She retired as SOTH when Republicans took control after the 2022 midterms. Hakeem Jeffries is the House Minority Leader now.
Call to authority often a persuasive tool for headline readers.
She got stocks to trade and how is she supposed to do that without insider knowledge...
Do you take her for a pleb?
She’s a top fundraiser in the party. She comes from a prominent district. She led the party through historic legislation. She knows what it’s like to step down from a position of power.
Need I say more?
I don't see why u'r getting downvoted. U just explained the power dynamics in the Democratic party. U didn't say u liked Pelosi. Man ppl on Lemmy can rlly be heavy handed with the downvote button.
As one of my favorite chess streamers likes to say “the truth hurts.”
Her amazing 700 percent return on her investments. Its a miracle.
After that someone should persuade her to leave too lol
It does not inspire confidence that they are having this conversation in the press.
This article doesn't mention it but some articles suggested they are resorting to anonymous press leaks to pressure biden because he will not face the reality of what everyone is seeing. They are running out of time to make major changes.
All I see is conservative rhetoric everywhere, calling for Biden to conceded.
Yeah it's more plausible that this type of media is being exploited by bad actors
The Republicans are getting ready to sue to keep him as the nominee, fyi.
Need a reference for this, as I haven't seen or heard this.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/the-bogus-right-wing-legal-battle-to-keep-joe-biden-on-the-ballot/ar-BB1pPrIv
Harris and AOC 2024
No man? That seems like a gamble.
How about Mark Kelly
Fantastic choice
Guaranteeing the L in a big way, sorry just the truth.
I honestly don't know if it would be. It'd energy progressives, and I don't know if it'd cost more "moderates." They either are voting against Trump or not already, not for Biden most likely.
I don't see Harris energizing progressives. AOC would, but she'd have to overcome the apathy they have for the top of the ticket.
Biden handily beat Bernie in swing states during 2020 primaries. It sucks because I wish we didn't have to worry about the EC. But we still do. So until it's gone we'll be stuck watching moderate candidates have the best path to winning.
In the primary? Sure. He was also the most well known. How it'd effect the general I don't think is known, especially in this election of all elections. I don't know anyone who's voting for Biden. I know many who are voting against Trump, and for whatever the hell the democrats decide. I'm sure this is true for so many other voters, and I doubt having a progressive VP would change that
-Arizona: Biden 44%, Bernie 33%
-Wisconsin: Biden 63%, Bernie 32%
-Michigan: Biden 53%, Bernie 36%
-Georgia doesn't matter because Bernie dropped out by then but Biden still got 85%
These are all states Harris needs to win again. Where is this mythical progressive vote going to be energized from? It had a chance to pick Bernie again in the 2020 primaries. And did not show up. It sucks cause I voted Bernie 2016 and 2020. But the reality is swing states are where the election is won. And swing states skew moderate.
Again, the primary is not the general. Are the people who voted Biden here going to not vote for the dem candidate? Would some of the Bernie voters going to vote dem who wouldn't vote for Biden? Talking about the primary in reference to the general isn't very useful.
Whatever they decide, they're going to put a lot of thought and money into picking the smartest option. If they go Harris AOC, I'm willing to bet that they knew it'd get the most votes.
The entire fucking point of the primary process is to pick the candidate more people said they'd vote for in the general.
Ignoring the results of that process is what got us Hillary. Who the DNC also assumed would get the most votes. Just like you're making assumptions now without any supporting reasons other than opinion and hope.
TBF, she did actually get the most votes. She was still a disaster candidate.
Which is exactly what I'm getting at. She won the popular vote. By a lot. Dropped the ball in swing states. Lost the election because you win through the EC.
A ticket popular on the coasts and only popular there is gambling with losing the EC again. AOC isn't nearly as popular as people here are suggesting. Harris will have tough odds to beat Trump.
A Harris/AOC ticket isn't going to do well in swing states. It only plays well to states that are already solid blue.
The primary is for engaged people to decide which candidate they want, not to pick the candidate that is best for the general necessarily. That's always one of the talking points candidates need to appeal to, but it isn't the only factor, or even always a major factor. For example, Trump was selected for the Republicans in 2016, and he almost certainly wasn't the "best" candidate.
I think and goddamm I hope I am wrong they are about to push Hillary back on us agaun. I heard she started making moves to come back out in the public and wonder what's behind this.
They think we will be desperate enough that we will vote for her over Trump and they aren't fucking far off. But Harris can't win.
There's no way they'd put the person who lost to Trump and made him president back on the ballot lmao
She may think she has a shot at it, or "deserves" it, who knows what's going on in her brain. But there's just absolutely no way she'll ever end up on this ballot.
But but but it’s her turn!
That would be the stupidest move in the history of stupid political moves. Drop old-as-fuck candidate who beat Trump before, replace him with old-as-fuck candidate who lost to Trump.
https://youtu.be/ptRSoR1CKnk?si=c1KbLHog76E9Eeaj
Oh shit. I legit thought this was hex.
Biden stepping aside is possible. No chance that crook polosi will exit the stock market.
Don’t winge about nance-in-advance, trade her trades.
Trading her trades a day late wont make you much money unless you have plenty of money to throw at it. Trying to buy in the day everyone else does is more likely to lose you money on average.
Biden must have been plannin financial reforms or something if these assholes want him out so bad.
If you really want to have an argument, tell your MAGA friend that Biden will be replaced by Hillary, and Kamala will remain as VP.
I don't keep MAGAs as friends.
Family, then.
Biden Campaign Advisor: People Calling For Him To Step Down "Are Not The Backbone Of The Democratic Party"
Also, TIL, Erik Erikson is a black liberal
Always "sources familiar with the matter"
Tired of this rumor mill bullshit news cycle
Until it comes from Biden himself then that’s about as good as you’re going to get.
Too right