That's me and I have zero fucking regrets. Over 12 years I commented with solutions to tech problems. For a few niche problems, my Reddit answer was the only relevant answer Google returned. I sanitized it all. Fuck Reddit. They don't get to profit from me anymore.
Completely fair to be honest. This was more of a post showing its funny how useless reddit can be without its pissed off users.
I hope you at least provided those answers elsewhere.
Edit: I never said they were obligated to provide the info, but if they were willing to provide it before then I'm sure lots of people who relied on that info would be happy to have an alternative source for the same info, if the person I replied to was willing to provide it again. If not then that's up to them. It's not like I was demanding that they offer it.
They aren't obligated to do shit for free
Never said they were. But they were willing to offer the information at some point, would be nice for people who might need it if they provided an alternative source to find the information they'd already been willing to give in the past, if they were still willing to provide it. Hell, they can charge for it if they want, though considering Lemmy's hard on for FOSS, they'd probably get dog piled for it harder than I did in this thread if they did.
How, and be specific here, do you think OP should publish their hundreds of useful comments out of thousands over the past decade plus on Reddit? There is no easy way to move entire threads with context and answers. So your proposal, which sounds reasonable enough, isn't really viable. OP will continue to provide answers here and wherever they choose. If you're upset, blame Reddit, not OP.
I didn't know if they had a dedicated account for it or not, and there are scripts for archiving comments just like there are scripts for deleting them. I'm not blaming the OP of anything, if they don't want to do that then ultimately that's their prerogative.
Not if you want to push the site hard to the right!
What does it matter? Not our problem if it goes left or right let them have their shit cake.
We still live in the same society as others. People often adopt the cultures and ideologies of where they end up, or at least move closer to it than they were before. If reddit shifts its userbase to the right — even if the net effect is from "very very left" to "very left" — it will impact the lives of all of us that live in societies with large numbers of people using that site, as it'll filter down into our politics. Even if we don't interact with them.
For a long time, the "default" ideology of the internet was on the left. As internet usage has become dominated by a handful of sites owned by megacorporations, there has been a not at all subtle effort to nurture a conservative ideology on those sites. Stuff like reddit holding off on banning the Trump sub for however long or twitter refusing to implement their hate speech detection because it correlated too strongly with conservative politicians (not to mention what Musk has done there). I don't think this is an accident.
This is what you are worried about? If it goes hard right or even "very left" is that not what it was underneath? Let them be cesspools. Everybody talks about preventing, but no one does shit besides being armchair PC warriors. Go buy the website and fix it to your liking, or better yet do a strike and this will help reddit... Oh wait it won't.
All because people are deleting shit will not make it go hard right or very left. That is just straight BS.
It's funny when people on lemmy complain about this, when a month ago everyone on lemmy was deleting their reddit post history.
Deleting or using an overwrite script, and the reasoning was because in addition to pushing out 3rd party apps, douchecanoe Huffman was opening up reddit's post history to LLM training, so that was us giving him the finger on the way out. While I agree it sucks for people looking at it from an internet archival perspective, at the time it seemed more imperative to jab the crap out of him and reddit as a business.
What's so bad about that? Even on Lemmy I'm posting things in public, intended to be read by the public, and if somebody wants to train AI on what I've given to the public then good for them. I refuse to use a walled garden. Being proprietorial about online posts is probably not the most effective response to online surveillance. I agree that Huffman is a douchecanoe though.
Fediverse stuff is essentially not commercialized by nature.
We should hold commercial actors to entirely different standards than non-commercial ones. There's no hypocrisy in doing so.
It wasn't that Reddit was going to do so. It is that they were going to do so in a fundamentally proprietary way -- they were treating the content as THEIR property to monetize and sell.
We should hold commercial actors to entirely different standards than non-commercial ones. There’s no hypocrisy in doing so.
This should also be noted: you're free to keep your content available on these for profit corporate websites, I'm by no means telling anyone what to do, but just know that they will ABSOLUTELY not extend the same courtesy to you. Reddit bans people and communities alike all the time for no apparent reason (or stupid ones like speaking out against their terrible business practices, many or even most of whom are quite technical users who created a lot of helpful resources on the platform), deleting their content without a second thought. Worse, we live in a world where corpororations will outright kill and make it impossible to access content that we've directly purchased because the platform is no longer profitable to them and expect us to be okay with it. Not to mention when social media platforms shut down, Vine for example, did they ever think about the amount of content that they are taking away from the public? If it wasn't for the GDPR and similar privacy laws they wouldn't even have been obligated to let the creators themselves download their own content.
You could argue that the attitudes toward the fediverse vs corporate web is a double standard, and I guess it is. But the double standard between the corporate web and its users is even worse.
I view it like open source where commercial and non-commercial are on an even playing-field, what matters is their contribution. The freedom afforded by a healthy open-source ecosystem should mitigate negative commercial interests, it doesn't always work out like that but that's the kind of thing I would hope for.
There are actually extremely valuable contributions to open source from commercial entities.
Oh boy time is flying. I can't believe I've been on Lemmy over 3 months, and have barely used reddit in that time (only for finding answers to my technology questions, like OP lol). I used reddit daily for mant years and quit cold turkey (except the occasional puff).
Aside from not wanting to send any traffic their way, this is another reason I've excluded Reddit from my private search engine's results. Reddit's value has definitely diminished as a direct result of the protest against the API changes.
That's because the 10% of people they thought it was ok to fuck over were providing 90% of the non-entertainment value.
Profitting from free user generated content is uncool. 👍
Many folks deleted their contributions when they migrated away. So it isn't intentionally trying to not help anyone else. It was just protesting against reddit more likely.
Also, some people just regularly purged their history out of privacy concerns.
Also true.
Yeah, that's most likely what happened.
"pm'd you the fix" 😐
This reminds me of an xkcd but I dont remember the number
the hope of possibly having a solution to your problem only to have it crushed all in the span of a few seconds
one of the worst punishments in the history of man: false hope
cries in developer
I don't know what's worse. That or when OP replies, "nevermind, I figured it out" and nothing else
Try reveddit, just change reddit in the url to that, should show deleted comments
They show comments deleted by mods but they intentionally hide comments deleted by users
Ah, well, TIL
Never mind then!
Good thing there are tools for viewing old versions of a website (wayback machine for example). At least if there is a snapshot at the time where the comment was not deleted.
And add ons as webarchive allowing easy access to all those tools.
Now wayback doesn't work with normal reddit posts cuz the client side rendering bunged it all up, I just have to pray someone archived it on old.reddit.com
Are you clueless as to why it looks like that now?
No, I'm aware. It can just be mildlyinfuriating if there's some obscure issue you are trying to solve.
Yep, for sure, but that was also the reason people did it. To shred its usefulness away.
The annoying thing for me is someone posting a question, getting help from the community, and then immediately deleting all their posts assuring that nobody can ever be helped by it again. This is kind of a reverse of that which I would say is probably less common?
Read the room 😂
Fuck Reddit and that shitter spez too
The Wayback Machine may be able to help
And also stops Reddit from monetizing this volunteer-made content they intended to disrespectfully pilfer.
That's me and I have zero fucking regrets. Over 12 years I commented with solutions to tech problems. For a few niche problems, my Reddit answer was the only relevant answer Google returned. I sanitized it all. Fuck Reddit. They don't get to profit from me anymore.
Completely fair to be honest. This was more of a post showing its funny how useless reddit can be without its pissed off users.
I hope you at least provided those answers elsewhere.
Edit: I never said they were obligated to provide the info, but if they were willing to provide it before then I'm sure lots of people who relied on that info would be happy to have an alternative source for the same info, if the person I replied to was willing to provide it again. If not then that's up to them. It's not like I was demanding that they offer it.
They aren't obligated to do shit for free
Never said they were. But they were willing to offer the information at some point, would be nice for people who might need it if they provided an alternative source to find the information they'd already been willing to give in the past, if they were still willing to provide it. Hell, they can charge for it if they want, though considering Lemmy's hard on for FOSS, they'd probably get dog piled for it harder than I did in this thread if they did.
How, and be specific here, do you think OP should publish their hundreds of useful comments out of thousands over the past decade plus on Reddit? There is no easy way to move entire threads with context and answers. So your proposal, which sounds reasonable enough, isn't really viable. OP will continue to provide answers here and wherever they choose. If you're upset, blame Reddit, not OP.
I didn't know if they had a dedicated account for it or not, and there are scripts for archiving comments just like there are scripts for deleting them. I'm not blaming the OP of anything, if they don't want to do that then ultimately that's their prerogative.
yeah sucks that reddit alienated all of their most intelligent users
Yep. Reddit shouldn't have pushed so many power users out.
Shit, if Lemmy is supposed to be the intelligent ones then all hope is lost
Not if you want to push the site hard to the right!
What does it matter? Not our problem if it goes left or right let them have their shit cake.
We still live in the same society as others. People often adopt the cultures and ideologies of where they end up, or at least move closer to it than they were before. If reddit shifts its userbase to the right — even if the net effect is from "very very left" to "very left" — it will impact the lives of all of us that live in societies with large numbers of people using that site, as it'll filter down into our politics. Even if we don't interact with them.
For a long time, the "default" ideology of the internet was on the left. As internet usage has become dominated by a handful of sites owned by megacorporations, there has been a not at all subtle effort to nurture a conservative ideology on those sites. Stuff like reddit holding off on banning the Trump sub for however long or twitter refusing to implement their hate speech detection because it correlated too strongly with conservative politicians (not to mention what Musk has done there). I don't think this is an accident.
This is what you are worried about? If it goes hard right or even "very left" is that not what it was underneath? Let them be cesspools. Everybody talks about preventing, but no one does shit besides being armchair PC warriors. Go buy the website and fix it to your liking, or better yet do a strike and this will help reddit... Oh wait it won't.
All because people are deleting shit will not make it go hard right or very left. That is just straight BS.
It's funny when people on lemmy complain about this, when a month ago everyone on lemmy was deleting their reddit post history.
Deleting or using an overwrite script, and the reasoning was because in addition to pushing out 3rd party apps, douchecanoe Huffman was opening up reddit's post history to LLM training, so that was us giving him the finger on the way out. While I agree it sucks for people looking at it from an internet archival perspective, at the time it seemed more imperative to jab the crap out of him and reddit as a business.
What's so bad about that? Even on Lemmy I'm posting things in public, intended to be read by the public, and if somebody wants to train AI on what I've given to the public then good for them. I refuse to use a walled garden. Being proprietorial about online posts is probably not the most effective response to online surveillance. I agree that Huffman is a douchecanoe though.
Fediverse stuff is essentially not commercialized by nature.
We should hold commercial actors to entirely different standards than non-commercial ones. There's no hypocrisy in doing so.
It wasn't that Reddit was going to do so. It is that they were going to do so in a fundamentally proprietary way -- they were treating the content as THEIR property to monetize and sell.
This should also be noted: you're free to keep your content available on these for profit corporate websites, I'm by no means telling anyone what to do, but just know that they will ABSOLUTELY not extend the same courtesy to you. Reddit bans people and communities alike all the time for no apparent reason (or stupid ones like speaking out against their terrible business practices, many or even most of whom are quite technical users who created a lot of helpful resources on the platform), deleting their content without a second thought. Worse, we live in a world where corpororations will outright kill and make it impossible to access content that we've directly purchased because the platform is no longer profitable to them and expect us to be okay with it. Not to mention when social media platforms shut down, Vine for example, did they ever think about the amount of content that they are taking away from the public? If it wasn't for the GDPR and similar privacy laws they wouldn't even have been obligated to let the creators themselves download their own content.
You could argue that the attitudes toward the fediverse vs corporate web is a double standard, and I guess it is. But the double standard between the corporate web and its users is even worse.
I view it like open source where commercial and non-commercial are on an even playing-field, what matters is their contribution. The freedom afforded by a healthy open-source ecosystem should mitigate negative commercial interests, it doesn't always work out like that but that's the kind of thing I would hope for.
There are actually extremely valuable contributions to open source from commercial entities.
It started early June. That was 3 months ago.
Oh boy time is flying. I can't believe I've been on Lemmy over 3 months, and have barely used reddit in that time (only for finding answers to my technology questions, like OP lol). I used reddit daily for mant years and quit cold turkey (except the occasional puff).
Aside from not wanting to send any traffic their way, this is another reason I've excluded Reddit from my private search engine's results. Reddit's value has definitely diminished as a direct result of the protest against the API changes.
That's because the 10% of people they thought it was ok to fuck over were providing 90% of the non-entertainment value.
Profitting from free user generated content is uncool. 👍
Many folks deleted their contributions when they migrated away. So it isn't intentionally trying to not help anyone else. It was just protesting against reddit more likely.
Also, some people just regularly purged their history out of privacy concerns.
Also true.
Yeah, that's most likely what happened.
"pm'd you the fix" 😐
This reminds me of an xkcd but I dont remember the number
https://xkcd.com/979/
this is like daggers in my soul
the hope of possibly having a solution to your problem only to have it crushed all in the span of a few seconds
one of the worst punishments in the history of man: false hope
cries in developer
I don't know what's worse. That or when OP replies, "nevermind, I figured it out" and nothing else
Try reveddit, just change reddit in the url to that, should show deleted comments
They show comments deleted by mods but they intentionally hide comments deleted by users
Ah, well, TIL
Never mind then!
Good thing there are tools for viewing old versions of a website (wayback machine for example). At least if there is a snapshot at the time where the comment was not deleted.
And add ons as webarchive allowing easy access to all those tools.
Now wayback doesn't work with normal reddit posts cuz the client side rendering bunged it all up, I just have to pray someone archived it on old.reddit.com
Are you clueless as to why it looks like that now?
No, I'm aware. It can just be mildlyinfuriating if there's some obscure issue you are trying to solve.
Yep, for sure, but that was also the reason people did it. To shred its usefulness away.
The annoying thing for me is someone posting a question, getting help from the community, and then immediately deleting all their posts assuring that nobody can ever be helped by it again. This is kind of a reverse of that which I would say is probably less common?
Read the room 😂
Fuck Reddit and that shitter spez too
The Wayback Machine may be able to help
And also stops Reddit from monetizing this volunteer-made content they intended to disrespectfully pilfer.
4 months ago? More like 4 years ago.