I continue to be baffled and amused by the complete meltdown of the typescript community over the actions of a single man on a single package. The only people who have legitimate gripes are those that had been actively contributing and whose work was erased. The rest of you are acting absurdly childish. The anger and vitriol being thrown at anyone who disagrees on how to write javascript would make me embarrassed if I was associated or involved in the ts community.
They not only removed typescript without implementing an alternative breaking many projects depending on that library but they did it without informing the open source community which means many people who invested their time in making PRs (there was 60+ open PRs) have to basically completely redo their work.
Yes, and the people directly contributing to the project have legitimate gripes. Although, the parable of dhh is if you get on an asshole scorpions back, don't be surprised if you get stung. Dudes been an unreasonable prick for nearly 20 years now.
My comments directed at the manufactured outrage from the tooling zealots incapable of having a mature conversation. Or even accept a difference of opinion. The number of comments that start with, "never heard of Turbo, but let me weigh in on why you're an idiot for not liking Typescript. " is very telling...
Which project is this?
So, the project owner did this?
Ah, it's Turbo
To be fair, how could you not believe that he was gonna go Turbo?
Tldr someone moved a popular repo from typescript to JavaScript, the negative response was quite overwhelming.
The speed of a single-page web application without having to write any JavaScript
Ahahahahahahaha! 😂
The fact is that I actually rather like JavaScript. I'd go so far as to say it's my second favorite language after Ruby. Yes, a distant second, but a second none the less. This wasn't always the case. But after we got proper classes in JavaScript, and all the other improvements that flowed since ES6, it's become a real joy to write.
Is it just me or is the tone here unnecessarily aggressive?
Sorry, I'm out of the loop. Can you ELI5 what happened/what even is going on with TS?
Nothing is actually going on with typescript. This guy who's a big name in programming for creating a lot of good things and having a lot of shitty opinions just removed typescript from one of their projects and some folks are desperate to make that be a big news.
They removed typescript because they saw no benefit in using it. Then a lot of folks who can't deal with typescript got excited because "hey someone is trashing that thing I hate".
When I saw "dhh" on the post about this turbo decision that said it all really. Dhh is a tool.
Care to clue me in? I spend my time far, far away from the web dev sphere :p
He became a patron saint because he developed Rails, and he huffed too many of his own farts. His track record can be boiled down to thinking he knows what's best and the evidence is damning
huh. what was the rationale for removing it in the first place? seems like a waste to throw away a whole codebase worth of perfectly good type annotations
They wanted to generate controversy to help market a new set of products they are announcing.
No rationale provided.
shitposting
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People seems to be riled up by this, but turbo is mostly used with ruby on rails, right? I'm not familiar with ruby on rails, does it actually support some form of static typing it type hints? From the blog post, the dev (which is also the ruby on rails creator) doesn't seem to be a fan of bolting static typing into dynamic typing language.
RoR is very... specific. Some love it because it comes with magic. Many hate it for the same reason.
You either knows the magic and love it, or you hate it with a passion. You never really know when (not if) your change will break the system because it's supposed to name in a very specific way that work by, again, magic.
In Ruby, the convention is usually that things are duck-typed (the actual types of your inputs don't matter as long as they implement whatever you're expecting of them, if not, we throw an exception). Type hinting could be possible, but it basically runs contrary to the idea.
Now, Ruby on Rails developers are expecting some kind of magic conversion happening at the interfaces. For example, ActiveRecord maps the database datatypes to Ruby classes and will perform automated conversions on, say, date/time values. But from the developer perspective it doesn't generally matter how this conversion actually happens, as long as there's something between the layers to do the thing.
It's also used quite a bit with Symfony framework (PHP) which is strongly typed. I use it for example at https://schedule.lemmings.world. A shame, really.
Got a few minutes into the context video before I head to close it. Do people actually enjoy YouTubers presenting stuff in this manner?
Yes I do.
Found him when learning vim and watched a few of his twitch streams. Quite enjoy his takes on things. Not the biggest fan of this new reaction content but do occasionally watch ones related to the tech I use for the day job
Yeah, sometimes it's too over the top. But he has some thoughts that are kind of refreshing to hear in this Twitter driven development world.
Do we now have "influencer programmers" now? 🤣
We always have had em, they're just on YouTube now too 😂
Huh... now that you mention it, I guess that's what people like Bob Martin and mpj (along many others of course) might classify as. Would any guru fall under this category?
I still dont get it why they remove ts????? its dumb in many ways.
Is strange... In the video I linked, he said it apparently broke some repos. He also said that they could have at the very least added in jsdoc comments to keep types without requiring extra tooling.
I continue to be baffled and amused by the complete meltdown of the typescript community over the actions of a single man on a single package. The only people who have legitimate gripes are those that had been actively contributing and whose work was erased. The rest of you are acting absurdly childish. The anger and vitriol being thrown at anyone who disagrees on how to write javascript would make me embarrassed if I was associated or involved in the ts community.
They not only removed typescript without implementing an alternative breaking many projects depending on that library but they did it without informing the open source community which means many people who invested their time in making PRs (there was 60+ open PRs) have to basically completely redo their work.
Yes, and the people directly contributing to the project have legitimate gripes. Although, the parable of dhh is if you get on an asshole scorpions back, don't be surprised if you get stung. Dudes been an unreasonable prick for nearly 20 years now.
My comments directed at the manufactured outrage from the tooling zealots incapable of having a mature conversation. Or even accept a difference of opinion. The number of comments that start with, "never heard of Turbo, but let me weigh in on why you're an idiot for not liking Typescript. " is very telling...
Which project is this? So, the project owner did this?
Ah, it's Turbo
To be fair, how could you not believe that he was gonna go Turbo?
Ootl, what's going on? I haven't read anything
Start here https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/972 and then https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/973
Tldr someone moved a popular repo from typescript to JavaScript, the negative response was quite overwhelming.
Ahahahahahahaha! 😂
Is it just me or is the tone here unnecessarily aggressive?
(Read the PR to understand)
Cheers
It started here: https://world.hey.com/dhh/turbo-8-is-dropping-typescript-70165c01
Sorry, I'm out of the loop. Can you ELI5 what happened/what even is going on with TS?
Nothing is actually going on with typescript. This guy who's a big name in programming for creating a lot of good things and having a lot of shitty opinions just removed typescript from one of their projects and some folks are desperate to make that be a big news.
They removed typescript because they saw no benefit in using it. Then a lot of folks who can't deal with typescript got excited because "hey someone is trashing that thing I hate".
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Maybe DHH influential and many will follow in his footsteps
When I saw "dhh" on the post about this turbo decision that said it all really. Dhh is a tool.
Care to clue me in? I spend my time far, far away from the web dev sphere :p
He became a patron saint because he developed Rails, and he huffed too many of his own farts. His track record can be boiled down to thinking he knows what's best and the evidence is damning
See also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissistic_personality_disorder
huh. what was the rationale for removing it in the first place? seems like a waste to throw away a whole codebase worth of perfectly good type annotations
They wanted to generate controversy to help market a new set of products they are announcing.
No rationale provided.
shitposting
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People seems to be riled up by this, but turbo is mostly used with ruby on rails, right? I'm not familiar with ruby on rails, does it actually support some form of static typing it type hints? From the blog post, the dev (which is also the ruby on rails creator) doesn't seem to be a fan of bolting static typing into dynamic typing language.
RoR is very... specific. Some love it because it comes with magic. Many hate it for the same reason.
You either knows the magic and love it, or you hate it with a passion. You never really know when (not if) your change will break the system because it's supposed to name in a very specific way that work by, again, magic.
In Ruby, the convention is usually that things are duck-typed (the actual types of your inputs don't matter as long as they implement whatever you're expecting of them, if not, we throw an exception). Type hinting could be possible, but it basically runs contrary to the idea.
Now, Ruby on Rails developers are expecting some kind of magic conversion happening at the interfaces. For example, ActiveRecord maps the database datatypes to Ruby classes and will perform automated conversions on, say, date/time values. But from the developer perspective it doesn't generally matter how this conversion actually happens, as long as there's something between the layers to do the thing.
It's also used quite a bit with Symfony framework (PHP) which is strongly typed. I use it for example at https://schedule.lemmings.world. A shame, really.
Repo?
It was for turbo
Pr: https://github.com/hotwired/turbo/pull/972
Context: https://youtu.be/Bv3YhGku92w?si=uuyb8Cyfn06BLX6o
Got a few minutes into the context video before I head to close it. Do people actually enjoy YouTubers presenting stuff in this manner?
Yes I do.
Found him when learning vim and watched a few of his twitch streams. Quite enjoy his takes on things. Not the biggest fan of this new reaction content but do occasionally watch ones related to the tech I use for the day job
Yeah, sometimes it's too over the top. But he has some thoughts that are kind of refreshing to hear in this Twitter driven development world.
Do we now have "influencer programmers" now? 🤣
We always have had em, they're just on YouTube now too 😂
Huh... now that you mention it, I guess that's what people like Bob Martin and mpj (along many others of course) might classify as. Would any guru fall under this category?
I still dont get it why they remove ts????? its dumb in many ways.
Is strange... In the video I linked, he said it apparently broke some repos. He also said that they could have at the very least added in jsdoc comments to keep types without requiring extra tooling.
ok.
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What's with that si parameter?
Not sure, I copied the link from the share button on the mobile app
I think it is share ID. I've noticed YouTube started putting them in links made with the share button.
I'd reject anything from Theo too tbh
shots fired
more like t -3
are browsers and libs good enough to do front end without a build step yet?
you're perfectly welcome to throw hand rolled html/css/js on an ftp server
Watching Bun 1.0 release closely, as seems to be helping move web development much closer to that goal. Fingers crossed.
I feel that's something frontend devs deliberately left behind to make them feel like big dogs do /s
#971 is correct