For people not knowing French, the Nvidia offices were not raided by heavily armed forces, with guns or whatever shooting.
"Perquisition" is just some cops/people coming and getting into your stuff or taking it for analysis.
It's like a search in Nvidia's stuff/software/internal communications. It required a warrant given by a judge.
Were they looking for the latest Linux drivers?
They're gonna need bigger guns then.
Still didn't found that piece of software
You just described a raid...
Some people may see it in some other way.
I think it's only in French that we associate raid with "all guns blazing" because we use the English word for cool action movies and the French one for boring news segments.
it's not only in French. The word raid is quite connotated with an armed police raid, at least in non native speakers.
Yeah that makes sense, probably for similar reasons right?
not sure if it is only because of the movies. Even in the (world) news that you may read online it is much more often to read in the headlines of a violent armed police raid than service workers walking in to get the accounting books. So I guess it could also be that we've never seen or used this word in another context.
Yeah the movies are just an example but indeed also in the news they'll use raid for when the armed police kicks the door down but perquisition for the boring ones. It's just what the words mean at this point, I guess back in the days it was "perquisition armée" (armed).
Maybe I'm too American raised in too much cop movies but a raid always comes off like body armor, armor piercing rounds of ammo, and flash bangs.
So I kinda need it explained like this.
I think it mostly has that connotation but a bunch of feds showing up unexpectedly at an office to confiscate the books and computers before they can shred/delete data I'd still call a raid.
Raids in america involve guns swat teams and often phantom warrants.
This is a problem with the US news in general because it uses the words "raid" and "execute search warrant on" as synonyms, when the former conjures up images of guys in body-armor with carbines and the latter a couple of cops and a bunch of specialized investigators. Like, various layers of US government have "raided" many of Trump's properties, and obviously it was the latter and not the former, it's not like Trump is gonna get the Breonna Taylor service.
Also, just to be absolutely clear, no neighbours were shot, or anything of the sort.
People are more likely to click on exciting headlines that play up drama, its like clickbait 101. "Nvidia office was searched" may be a more accurate realistic description but not super exciting. When I see 'raid' I think of SWAT teams busting up drug cartel homebases.
But that's exactly what I assumed happened when reading the headline. Almost no native English speaker would assume it meant there was a shootout, or violence, or whatever. What you described is a typical "raid" executed against a company.
I think for a lot of people the word raid has connotation with an armed police raid.
Yeah a lot of idiots
it's not about idiocity. It is because of for many non native speakers, this word has almost always been seen in that context.
"Raided" is one of those bombastic clickbait headline words, like "slammed" or whatever. Unless it was actually a SWAT team busting down the door, what they should be saying is "executed a search warrant."
Isn't this the same as when they raid wall st offices? They don't take a swat team there afaik
Yes, in the sense that those aren't deserving of the word "raid" either.
Nvidia is pretty cut throat so the chances of them doing something wrong are high, but i'm not sure about the chances of finding evidence. they must have effective policies to defeat investigations, most big companies have them.
Never underestimate the power of dumb procedures or the power of a government body who is certain they have a case.
Also remember, if it's not the act, it's usually the cover-up that gets ppl and companies on the hook.
Either way, this will be interesting.
Let me dream. As someone who gets physically sick at the proprietary bullshit they shove down everyone's throat, customer or not, I would love to see them get any level of reprocussion however unlikely.
linus-torvalds-nvidia.gif
That was an IMAX experience
This one weird trick to have all your gifs play exactly at the users current brain resolution.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nvidia’s France offices were raided by the country’s competition authority this week, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal.
While the French agency doesn’t mention Nvidia by name, it confirms it carried out a raid over concerns about anti-competitive practices in the graphics cards industry.
Sources tell the WSJ that French authorities specifically targeted Nvidia, which has seen demand for its chips skyrocket in recent months.
According to the WSJ, these types of raids occur early in the morning and have authorities “search a company’s premises, seize physical and digital materials and interview employees who arrive for work.” The French authority says it conducted the raid as part of its increased scrutiny on cloud technology, a topic the agency published a market study on in June.
A machine-translated version of the French agency’s press release says that dawn raids “do not pre-suppose the existence of a breach of the law,” which is something “only a full investigation” can establish.
However, a raid could suggest that Nvidia’s reign in the chipmaking market isn’t going unnoticed by global governments.
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This is weird. I’m all for anti-monopoly policies and court action, but this doesn’t make sense. Did Nvidia buy out smaller graphic companies? I may be ignorant but the only ones I know is AMD and ATI who merged, and now intel is making their own. I guess I don’t see how Nvidia is a monopoly
E: I made this comment and the rest in the chain after a night of drinking high octane beers for my birthday. I’m an idiot
There's more to anticompetitive behaviour than just buying out small companies...
Nvidia has huge market share and uses their power as a weapon, in ways that are anticompetitive.
For example, in the past, they bribedfinancially encouraged devs to implement over-the-top tessellation because they knew it hurt AMD cards more than their own. They even went as far as encouraging hidden, highly tesselated textures in games to do this. Such as full oceans under the ground, or highly tesselated hair being rendered on bald people, then turning the opacity down to make it invisible. All while still crushing performance.
More recently, Nvidia had the GeForce Partner Programme. Basically, Nvidia was trying to strong-arm partners into essentially giving ownership of their branding to Nvidia, and banning them from using it with AMD products. Also banning branding AMD stuff as for gaming.
E.g. under this scheme, Asus might only be allowed to use their "ROG" branding on Nvidia products, and they wouldn't be allowed to have "Gaming" on their AMD products.
Failure to join the GPP meant losing first access to GPUs, having less time to prepare for new launches, and worse pricing on GPUs bought from Nvidia.
(Fortunately, though 2 OEMs joined GPP, public outcry killed it)
Or how about Nvidia telling Hardware Unboxed and other reviewers that if they didn't give Nvidia positive reviews, they'd fuck the channel over?
Nvidia has done a lot of anticompetitive stuff.
The irony of getting schooled on anticompetitive behavior by TheGrandNagus himself.
You misunderstand, I'm applauding Nvidia here - Jensen Huang would make an excellent ferengi
He has the lobes for business!
ಠ_ಠ
Maybe Quark should've left your wrinkly ass in the Wormhole after all.
That certainly count as monopoly (wonder how igpu goes, but I’ll guess it’s AMD’s who’s first).
Plus they tried to buy ARM recently.
And in France, it’s not monopoly that’s illegal, but company in such situation have more legal restriction due to their potential bad influence on the market compared to smaller companies.
(wonder how igpu goes, but I’ll guess it’s AMD’s who’s first).
Intel, more likely.
I get that but how’s that a monopoly? They own the market share cause of the product and performance of said product. They aren’t buying companies to boost their share, they failed the arm deal, and from what I’ve read aren’t keeping companies tied to their product. Chatgpt, Microsoft and others can use other hardware. When we look at other monopoly cases it’s due to a forced take over if the market like Microsoft or the current Amazon case. I’m not defending Nvidia outright, but I’m not seeing how a company who produces a better product is at fault of a monopoly.
iOS has almost 60% market share, are they a monopoly cause people choose them as well?
A "better product" is only better by comparison to what the compitetion can do. It's bold to assume that they make better because they are fairly better when Nvidia have a history of doing shady or unhanded tactics in a totally healthy market with 3 competitors.
A monopoly is not necessarily connected to takeover of other companies to grow, so yes, they can be a monopoly. Also, iOS might have that market share in the US, but there are plenty of other markets dominated by Android. And lastly, 80% is a significantly larger market share than 60%, obviously.
When you actively undermine your competitors and abuse your market position.
And iOS is another player who is another great example why monopolies must be broken. They don't play nice, all their apps are not present on other OSs, don't forget the patent lawsuits at the beginning, the proprietary charging port, etc.
Does iOS actually have 60 percent market share, outside of the US?
Android is ahead in most other countries. 70% worldwide
Well... Actually, monopoly is used in French for things that isn’t stricly speaking the sole actor (sorry). There are concurrence (mostly in the form of AMD and Intel in the PC DGPU market, and others in phone/mobile GPUs).
And for mobile operating system, they would count as a duopoly. Aside of IOS and Android, there isn’t much (thought Android is a bit special by the fact it can be reused by other vendors without the google-specific parts).
Actually, maybe the DGPU market could be seen as a triopoly (not much choice beside Intel, AMD and NVidia).
(and if we don’t use the term of monopoly, we can still say for sure they are the main provider of DGPU, which is very likely to cause competition issue)
EU competition law is about not having a single company dominate the market.
i mean kinda ? but that was like 20 years ago
also this is not about games but compute and the probably the tried arm buyout
So where’s the monopoly? They make a better product and the arm deal isn’t sealed
The ARM deal is not happening.
Nvidia doesn't make a better product. They just lock in their ecosystem and prevent competition from breaking into the market. For example CUDA code can't be run by other cards.
For people not knowing French, the Nvidia offices were not raided by heavily armed forces, with guns or whatever shooting.
"Perquisition" is just some cops/people coming and getting into your stuff or taking it for analysis. It's like a search in Nvidia's stuff/software/internal communications. It required a warrant given by a judge.
Were they looking for the latest Linux drivers?
They're gonna need bigger guns then.
Still didn't found that piece of software
You just described a raid...
Some people may see it in some other way.
I think it's only in French that we associate raid with "all guns blazing" because we use the English word for cool action movies and the French one for boring news segments.
it's not only in French. The word raid is quite connotated with an armed police raid, at least in non native speakers.
Yeah that makes sense, probably for similar reasons right?
not sure if it is only because of the movies. Even in the (world) news that you may read online it is much more often to read in the headlines of a violent armed police raid than service workers walking in to get the accounting books. So I guess it could also be that we've never seen or used this word in another context.
Yeah the movies are just an example but indeed also in the news they'll use raid for when the armed police kicks the door down but perquisition for the boring ones. It's just what the words mean at this point, I guess back in the days it was "perquisition armée" (armed).
Maybe I'm too American raised in too much cop movies but a raid always comes off like body armor, armor piercing rounds of ammo, and flash bangs.
So I kinda need it explained like this.
I think it mostly has that connotation but a bunch of feds showing up unexpectedly at an office to confiscate the books and computers before they can shred/delete data I'd still call a raid.
Raids in america involve guns swat teams and often phantom warrants.
This is a problem with the US news in general because it uses the words "raid" and "execute search warrant on" as synonyms, when the former conjures up images of guys in body-armor with carbines and the latter a couple of cops and a bunch of specialized investigators. Like, various layers of US government have "raided" many of Trump's properties, and obviously it was the latter and not the former, it's not like Trump is gonna get the Breonna Taylor service.
Also, just to be absolutely clear, no neighbours were shot, or anything of the sort.
People are more likely to click on exciting headlines that play up drama, its like clickbait 101. "Nvidia office was searched" may be a more accurate realistic description but not super exciting. When I see 'raid' I think of SWAT teams busting up drug cartel homebases.
But that's exactly what I assumed happened when reading the headline. Almost no native English speaker would assume it meant there was a shootout, or violence, or whatever. What you described is a typical "raid" executed against a company.
I think for a lot of people the word raid has connotation with an armed police raid.
Yeah a lot of idiots
it's not about idiocity. It is because of for many non native speakers, this word has almost always been seen in that context.
"Raided" is one of those bombastic clickbait headline words, like "slammed" or whatever. Unless it was actually a SWAT team busting down the door, what they should be saying is "executed a search warrant."
Isn't this the same as when they raid wall st offices? They don't take a swat team there afaik
Yes, in the sense that those aren't deserving of the word "raid" either.
Nvidia is pretty cut throat so the chances of them doing something wrong are high, but i'm not sure about the chances of finding evidence. they must have effective policies to defeat investigations, most big companies have them.
Never underestimate the power of dumb procedures or the power of a government body who is certain they have a case.
Also remember, if it's not the act, it's usually the cover-up that gets ppl and companies on the hook.
Either way, this will be interesting.
Let me dream. As someone who gets physically sick at the proprietary bullshit they shove down everyone's throat, customer or not, I would love to see them get any level of reprocussion however unlikely.
linus-torvalds-nvidia.gif
That was an IMAX experience
This one weird trick to have all your gifs play exactly at the users current brain resolution.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Nvidia’s France offices were raided by the country’s competition authority this week, according to a report from The Wall Street Journal.
While the French agency doesn’t mention Nvidia by name, it confirms it carried out a raid over concerns about anti-competitive practices in the graphics cards industry.
Sources tell the WSJ that French authorities specifically targeted Nvidia, which has seen demand for its chips skyrocket in recent months.
According to the WSJ, these types of raids occur early in the morning and have authorities “search a company’s premises, seize physical and digital materials and interview employees who arrive for work.” The French authority says it conducted the raid as part of its increased scrutiny on cloud technology, a topic the agency published a market study on in June.
A machine-translated version of the French agency’s press release says that dawn raids “do not pre-suppose the existence of a breach of the law,” which is something “only a full investigation” can establish.
However, a raid could suggest that Nvidia’s reign in the chipmaking market isn’t going unnoticed by global governments.
The original article contains 257 words, the summary contains 178 words. Saved 31%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
This is weird. I’m all for anti-monopoly policies and court action, but this doesn’t make sense. Did Nvidia buy out smaller graphic companies? I may be ignorant but the only ones I know is AMD and ATI who merged, and now intel is making their own. I guess I don’t see how Nvidia is a monopoly
E: I made this comment and the rest in the chain after a night of drinking high octane beers for my birthday. I’m an idiot
There's more to anticompetitive behaviour than just buying out small companies...
Nvidia has huge market share and uses their power as a weapon, in ways that are anticompetitive.
For example, in the past, they
bribedfinancially encouraged devs to implement over-the-top tessellation because they knew it hurt AMD cards more than their own. They even went as far as encouraging hidden, highly tesselated textures in games to do this. Such as full oceans under the ground, or highly tesselated hair being rendered on bald people, then turning the opacity down to make it invisible. All while still crushing performance.More recently, Nvidia had the GeForce Partner Programme. Basically, Nvidia was trying to strong-arm partners into essentially giving ownership of their branding to Nvidia, and banning them from using it with AMD products. Also banning branding AMD stuff as for gaming.
E.g. under this scheme, Asus might only be allowed to use their "ROG" branding on Nvidia products, and they wouldn't be allowed to have "Gaming" on their AMD products.
Failure to join the GPP meant losing first access to GPUs, having less time to prepare for new launches, and worse pricing on GPUs bought from Nvidia.
(Fortunately, though 2 OEMs joined GPP, public outcry killed it)
Or how about Nvidia telling Hardware Unboxed and other reviewers that if they didn't give Nvidia positive reviews, they'd fuck the channel over?
Nvidia has done a lot of anticompetitive stuff.
The irony of getting schooled on anticompetitive behavior by TheGrandNagus himself.
You misunderstand, I'm applauding Nvidia here - Jensen Huang would make an excellent ferengi
He has the lobes for business!
ಠ_ಠ
Maybe Quark should've left your wrinkly ass in the Wormhole after all.
Thanks after reading this sober it makes sense.
According to this article, NVidia has a 80% market share over Discrete GPUs. https://wccftech.com/nvidia-retained-80-discrete-gpu-market-share-amd-20-in-q2-2022-despite-gaming-revenue-losses/
That certainly count as monopoly (wonder how igpu goes, but I’ll guess it’s AMD’s who’s first).
Plus they tried to buy ARM recently.
And in France, it’s not monopoly that’s illegal, but company in such situation have more legal restriction due to their potential bad influence on the market compared to smaller companies.
Intel, more likely.
I get that but how’s that a monopoly? They own the market share cause of the product and performance of said product. They aren’t buying companies to boost their share, they failed the arm deal, and from what I’ve read aren’t keeping companies tied to their product. Chatgpt, Microsoft and others can use other hardware. When we look at other monopoly cases it’s due to a forced take over if the market like Microsoft or the current Amazon case. I’m not defending Nvidia outright, but I’m not seeing how a company who produces a better product is at fault of a monopoly.
iOS has almost 60% market share, are they a monopoly cause people choose them as well?
A "better product" is only better by comparison to what the compitetion can do. It's bold to assume that they make better because they are fairly better when Nvidia have a history of doing shady or unhanded tactics in a totally healthy market with 3 competitors.
A monopoly is not necessarily connected to takeover of other companies to grow, so yes, they can be a monopoly. Also, iOS might have that market share in the US, but there are plenty of other markets dominated by Android. And lastly, 80% is a significantly larger market share than 60%, obviously.
When you actively undermine your competitors and abuse your market position.
And iOS is another player who is another great example why monopolies must be broken. They don't play nice, all their apps are not present on other OSs, don't forget the patent lawsuits at the beginning, the proprietary charging port, etc.
Does iOS actually have 60 percent market share, outside of the US?
Android is ahead in most other countries. 70% worldwide
Well... Actually, monopoly is used in French for things that isn’t stricly speaking the sole actor (sorry). There are concurrence (mostly in the form of AMD and Intel in the PC DGPU market, and others in phone/mobile GPUs).
And for mobile operating system, they would count as a duopoly. Aside of IOS and Android, there isn’t much (thought Android is a bit special by the fact it can be reused by other vendors without the google-specific parts).
Actually, maybe the DGPU market could be seen as a triopoly (not much choice beside Intel, AMD and NVidia).
(and if we don’t use the term of monopoly, we can still say for sure they are the main provider of DGPU, which is very likely to cause competition issue)
EU competition law is about not having a single company dominate the market.
i mean kinda ? but that was like 20 years ago
also this is not about games but compute and the probably the tried arm buyout
So where’s the monopoly? They make a better product and the arm deal isn’t sealed
The ARM deal is not happening.
Nvidia doesn't make a better product. They just lock in their ecosystem and prevent competition from breaking into the market. For example CUDA code can't be run by other cards.
they bought out melanox and ageia