Per capita, California is not losing the most people. Red states are.
Critics conveniently forget we're the most populated state so by default we have the highest number of people moving out of state
Conservatives purposefully refuse to understand what "per capita" means so that they don't have to deal with all of the additional cognitive dissonance that comes with ignoring basic statistics.
That's not per capita and it seems to ignore deaths, which is also very self serving for the red states.
Florida and Arizona have traditionally been the popular places for old folks to go before dying, that statistic might add clarity.
WV had the biggest percent loss in 2021. And if you look census to census, it's very red state for percent losses.
You can just look at the percent change...
Until they realize how shitty those states are and want to but, can't move back.
I think Arizona isn't the worst in terms of weather, but a lot of people are getting fucked by the cost of living in Cali. Arizona makes sense for the sound of mind.
Cost of living is ridiculous in CA, but in FL it’s almost impossible to get home insurance for hurricane-related damage because so many companies are going under. They can’t afford it. So it’s cheap until your home is under water.
And I get that natural disasters happen everywhere, even more-so now, but it’s not uncommon for FL to get hit with 2-3 major storms a year.
I’ve lived in Texas for awhile (not my first choice but here we are), and 4 of my most recent neighbors in my neighborhood are from CA. And ALL super conservative, one has the bumper stickers and has been flying the US flag on his house upside down. I’m not joking….it’s not the liberals who are moving here, lol cries I wish!
I hope FL gets a better deal with its CA transplants, and I hope the folks who are leaving due to financial hardships do okay.
FL is fucked. We had something like 300k+ MAGA assholes move here just during one year of the pandemic.
Born and raised in FL , glad I left before all the maga shit.
I'd never move to FL purely on the basis of wtf is even going on there, also the weather. My parents moved to TX because, idk maga I guess, and then immediately called and complained their neighbor was a surly gun-toting type. Like? Yeah no shit. Also the weather in Texas is absolutely wild?!
So many other states to choose from lol.
For CA that does seem to be the case. The people I know that have decided to head to Texas (from here in Washington) are still pretty liberal and ended up moving to Austin. We've also gotten a ton of people from all areas of Texas who are sick of how far right the government is there and decide to move to one of the more expensive regions in the country to get away from it.
I mean if your options are only TX, FL, and AZ, I think AZ is probably the better bet for destinations at this point. Southern AZ is short on water but I think northern AZ is in better shape. Wouldn’t want to live under DeSantis and TX is pretty nutty in general.
Also you could always live in one of the cities along the Colorado such as Havasu.
Hahaha no you definitely don't want to live there. Born and raised in AZ. You want to stay near the main population centers unless you're deeply DEEPLY conservative. Visiting is great but I would not want to live there. Could be worse in somewhere like Kingman, but still.
I get what youre saying, but those regions will never improve without new blood. I ya can deal with the shit and aint in a vulnerable group id encourage it to a degree. Not every redneck is a frothing bigot and if even half of them are like my area most folks just kinda want to be left alone and will probably lynch the christo-fascists if they push their luck. Mind ya im in a particularly redneck part of southern California so somewhat different but the rule of thumb probably still stands.
I've always felt Arizona is a fine place to live if you don't like water.
Myeah. It's basically a dried out version of Cali with more flat bits, as far as I've experienced.
dried out version of Cali
Oof that's saying something considering how often we're in a drought here lol
Well Arizona is like proper desert, Cali is just desert lite.
Um, did you see the string of 110 F at midnight in a row? You sure you want to pay to try and cool that enough to survive?
Uh... Why wouldn't they be able to move back?
It's very expensive to move, especially so to more expensive states
Yeah, moving is expensive, but that's not exactly "can't move back"...
What world do you live in where money is not a deciding factor?
Uh, what? Where did I say money isn't a deciding factor? I agreed that moving is expensive!
The original comment didn't say it was difficult, they said you literally "can't move back", which is obviously not true. Hence my question...
We change the locks on the California border the day after they move.
Companies move to these states to take advantage of lax taxes, they still need skilled labor though so they pay someone from California to relocate.
They aren't sending their best
In reading the average IQ of both places.
Edit: that should be "increasing"
I want to say “fine, California is better off without them”, but I’m sure there are some people who are forced to move for economic reasons. But then again, why are they choosing those shitholes?
It's almost 1:1 people moving out and in. It's primarily chasing jobs, which is just part of life.
Many of those that move out are conservative and want to be with their kind.
In 2018, native Texans voted for Beto 51-40 and people who moved here voted for Cruz 57-42.
Cooked in an oven or dying of tropical diseases and bacteria to own the libs.
What a choice to be made lmao.
Texas is a shithole.
They're going to florida instead though
Better than texas.
As opposed to Florida?
Florida shits on texas. They have nice beaches, cities, disney world, etc.
Only people who don't agree are texans who have lived there their entire lives.
Pick your poison.
Liberal states like California, with hella regulations, taxes, etc. More expensive.
Conservative states like Mississippi, with none of the above. Cheap cost of living.
I'm starting to think America is just too big to play together nicely. And the way our politics are playing out, a sane middle ground seems unlikely.
Maybe we'll smear ourselves all over the land, which would force some common ground, more homogenous, dunno. I hope to have 30 more years on this planet, probably less. You kids, and mine, are straight fucked.
Do your best. I'm trying too, and I'm rooting for you.
“Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies - "God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
that's some enlightened centrist nonsense if you think California needs a middle ground with Florida
Cost of living is the subject here. Think California is a paradise? Never been there, but it sounds damned fine. But don't come back bitching about the cost of living.
Conservative states like Mississippi, with none of the above. Cheap cost of living.
But also things like no women's body right, no lgbtq rights, rampant religion shoved down your throat, rampant bigotry, the war on trans leaning kids, etc...
Per capita, California is not losing the most people. Red states are.
Critics conveniently forget we're the most populated state so by default we have the highest number of people moving out of state
Conservatives purposefully refuse to understand what "per capita" means so that they don't have to deal with all of the additional cognitive dissonance that comes with ignoring basic statistics.
I'm not even kidding.
A little bit deceptive way to say it because there are some red states with high out-migration like Alaska and North Dakota- but there are also a lot of red states with much higher in-migration than California and, especially, New York, such as Florida and Texas.(From what I saw for 2016-2017 this could be more up to date but I don't know the accuracy Plus this looks like generally blue counties are more often out migrating.](https://www.census.gov/content/dam/Census/library/stories/2022/03/net-domestic-migration-increased-in-unites-states-counties-2021-figure-2.jpg)
That's not per capita and it seems to ignore deaths, which is also very self serving for the red states.
Florida and Arizona have traditionally been the popular places for old folks to go before dying, that statistic might add clarity.
WV had the biggest percent loss in 2021. And if you look census to census, it's very red state for percent losses.
You can just look at the percent change...
Until they realize how shitty those states are and want to but, can't move back.
I think Arizona isn't the worst in terms of weather, but a lot of people are getting fucked by the cost of living in Cali. Arizona makes sense for the sound of mind.
Cost of living is ridiculous in CA, but in FL it’s almost impossible to get home insurance for hurricane-related damage because so many companies are going under. They can’t afford it. So it’s cheap until your home is under water.
And I get that natural disasters happen everywhere, even more-so now, but it’s not uncommon for FL to get hit with 2-3 major storms a year.
I’ve lived in Texas for awhile (not my first choice but here we are), and 4 of my most recent neighbors in my neighborhood are from CA. And ALL super conservative, one has the bumper stickers and has been flying the US flag on his house upside down. I’m not joking….it’s not the liberals who are moving here, lol cries I wish!
Native Texans voted for native Texan Beto O'Rourke, transplants went for Ted Cruz, exit poll shows
I hope FL gets a better deal with its CA transplants, and I hope the folks who are leaving due to financial hardships do okay.
FL is fucked. We had something like 300k+ MAGA assholes move here just during one year of the pandemic.
Born and raised in FL , glad I left before all the maga shit.
I'd never move to FL purely on the basis of wtf is even going on there, also the weather. My parents moved to TX because, idk maga I guess, and then immediately called and complained their neighbor was a surly gun-toting type. Like? Yeah no shit. Also the weather in Texas is absolutely wild?!
So many other states to choose from lol.
For CA that does seem to be the case. The people I know that have decided to head to Texas (from here in Washington) are still pretty liberal and ended up moving to Austin. We've also gotten a ton of people from all areas of Texas who are sick of how far right the government is there and decide to move to one of the more expensive regions in the country to get away from it.
I mean if your options are only TX, FL, and AZ, I think AZ is probably the better bet for destinations at this point. Southern AZ is short on water but I think northern AZ is in better shape. Wouldn’t want to live under DeSantis and TX is pretty nutty in general.
Also you could always live in one of the cities along the Colorado such as Havasu.
Hahaha no you definitely don't want to live there. Born and raised in AZ. You want to stay near the main population centers unless you're deeply DEEPLY conservative. Visiting is great but I would not want to live there. Could be worse in somewhere like Kingman, but still.
I get what youre saying, but those regions will never improve without new blood. I ya can deal with the shit and aint in a vulnerable group id encourage it to a degree. Not every redneck is a frothing bigot and if even half of them are like my area most folks just kinda want to be left alone and will probably lynch the christo-fascists if they push their luck. Mind ya im in a particularly redneck part of southern California so somewhat different but the rule of thumb probably still stands.
I've always felt Arizona is a fine place to live if you don't like water.
Myeah. It's basically a dried out version of Cali with more flat bits, as far as I've experienced.
Oof that's saying something considering how often we're in a drought here lol
Well Arizona is like proper desert, Cali is just desert lite.
Um, did you see the string of 110 F at midnight in a row? You sure you want to pay to try and cool that enough to survive?
Uh... Why wouldn't they be able to move back?
It's very expensive to move, especially so to more expensive states
Yeah, moving is expensive, but that's not exactly "can't move back"...
What world do you live in where money is not a deciding factor?
Uh, what? Where did I say money isn't a deciding factor? I agreed that moving is expensive!
The original comment didn't say it was difficult, they said you literally "can't move back", which is obviously not true. Hence my question...
We change the locks on the California border the day after they move.
Companies move to these states to take advantage of lax taxes, they still need skilled labor though so they pay someone from California to relocate.
They aren't sending their best
In reading the average IQ of both places.
Edit: that should be "increasing"
I want to say “fine, California is better off without them”, but I’m sure there are some people who are forced to move for economic reasons. But then again, why are they choosing those shitholes?
It's almost 1:1 people moving out and in. It's primarily chasing jobs, which is just part of life.
Many of those that move out are conservative and want to be with their kind.
In 2018, native Texans voted for Beto 51-40 and people who moved here voted for Cruz 57-42.
https://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/2018/11/09/native-texans-voted-for-native-texan-beto-o-rourke-transplants-went-for-ted-cruz-exit-poll-shows/
Cooked in an oven or dying of tropical diseases and bacteria to own the libs.
What a choice to be made lmao.
Texas is a shithole.
They're going to florida instead though
Better than texas.
As opposed to Florida?
Florida shits on texas. They have nice beaches, cities, disney world, etc.
Only people who don't agree are texans who have lived there their entire lives.
Pick your poison.
Liberal states like California, with hella regulations, taxes, etc. More expensive.
Conservative states like Mississippi, with none of the above. Cheap cost of living.
I'm starting to think America is just too big to play together nicely. And the way our politics are playing out, a sane middle ground seems unlikely.
Maybe we'll smear ourselves all over the land, which would force some common ground, more homogenous, dunno. I hope to have 30 more years on this planet, probably less. You kids, and mine, are straight fucked.
Do your best. I'm trying too, and I'm rooting for you.
“Hello babies. Welcome to Earth. It's hot in the summer and cold in the winter. It's round and wet and crowded. On the outside, babies, you've got a hundred years here. There's only one rule that I know of, babies - "God damn it, you've got to be kind.”
― Kurt Vonnegut
that's some enlightened centrist nonsense if you think California needs a middle ground with Florida
Cost of living is the subject here. Think California is a paradise? Never been there, but it sounds damned fine. But don't come back bitching about the cost of living.
But also things like no women's body right, no lgbtq rights, rampant religion shoved down your throat, rampant bigotry, the war on trans leaning kids, etc...
What a wonderfully disingenuous post, thank you.