Some positive news for a lot of Linux Mint users who have been complaining about the lack of Wayland support. However, as the blog post listed, it's only going to be experimental in the next major update of Version 21. Still, it'll be good to experience the change.
Also, very clever on the naming schemes used by the Debian and Mint teams for their stable and unstable releases.
Funny times: while one distro kicks Xorg overboard, another distro finally includes Wayland as experimental.
And then there's XFCE
Which is not a distro nor a display server but, like kde and gnome, a desktop environment. They are actively working on wayland support as can be seen here:
https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
So just for clarification 😇
And I recognized now that this post was about cinnamon desktop environment, which comes with mint distro, and not the distro itself. So the comparison to GNOME would have been more fitting from my site (they’ll drop Xorg support soon, but still let it be installed in post).
So, yea, and then there is XFCE where we have no real clue when Wayland support is completely ready. But it seems like it could work with something called xwayland that seem to kinda emulate Xorg on wayland 🧐
Oh yeah, I was just mentioning them in general. The most exciting feature of their last big release was being able to change the clocks' font.
I trust XFCE to bring in new features only when they are 100% sure it'll work perfectly. That DE has been nothing but rocksolid for me, and I greatly appreciate that.
Though to push them a little bit, Xorg certainly has flaws when it comes to security, and since pretty much no one will make the effort of working on these flaws anymore, Wayland should be a higher priority for any distro or DE.
XD Linux devs are such nerds...I love it. Glad to see that Wayland is becoming the standard.
Quite glad to see Mint looking forward, good on them.
I was perfectly confident that the Mint team would get around to Wayland support, when it was good and ready. By the time they get it implemented and set as the default, it'll work great.
I like the careful approach. Yes, it's going to take longer. But when it finally arrives, it'll work.
Perfect for their overall philosophy.
Its about time! Finally, I've been waiting a long time for this.
I wonder what will happen with the mate desktop? I know xfce is getting wayalnd support so mate might be the odd one out
No, MATE announced Wayland support a while back. Cinnamon was the odd one out until now
No, MATE announced Wayland support a while back.
I know progress on that has been slow, but I look in on it every now and again and work does seem to be steady in porting their core components.
I'm not sure if they're settled on a compositor yet. There was talk (from the Ubuntu MATE devs) about using Mir, but I haven't heard anything about it in ages, and the Mir suggestion was at a time when wlroots was in a much less mature position. With XFCE, Budgie and Raspberry Pi OS all now going the wlroots direction, it's not inconceivable that MATE will go the same way.
It was always just a matter of time. A LOT of time in the case of anything wayland related apparently.
It's gonna get replaced by the next thing before it's even ready.
I often reread stuff while imagining I'm someone with no knowledge of the topic, the title of this post is a good example of how hilarious things become.
What's to get? Linux's mint candy made a deal with rapper waylo to put cinnamon into their new flavour of linux
Ah thanks now I get it
Can someone explain to me what Wayland is? I don't fully understand I read wikis on it but I'm still new to a lot of this
The way for your desktop to communicate with the hardware.
It used to be X11 - A server-client architecture, which meant your desktop was effectively just a client that told the server what to do. The server was the one doing the drawing
Wayland is just a protocol, defining how programs and desktop should communicate with each other - without a middleman that was X11 server. The desktop does the actual drawing here.
So it's faster, basically?
Yes
Wayland is basically the graphics system. Technically, Wayland is just the protocol and a “compositor” that implements Wayland acts as the display server—the thing that draws and manages the application windows on your screen.
Wayland replaces X11 ( the X Window System ), if you know what that is.
This is important when windows inevitably dies (subscription-based Windows 12?!) and linux mint gets flooded. Better have the "new" thing from the start
Windows won't die what are you talking about? Windows 12 subscriptions are a) just a rumor and b) not for the entire os, just certain features like AI and stuff
Trust me bro, Windows is gonna die any day now
-- Linux forum people, for as long as I can remember
COPIUM MAN
I love it
I heard there will be a ”windows 365". If windows goes full online like office 365 then the underlining OS could be everything Linux.
I want your crystal ball
Windows is already dead.
Just a matter of time until people realize they're on a dead platform.
You know like 70% of desktops run Windows right? That's not what I would call "dead". Almost every company out there uses Windows on their computers.
Don't get me wrong, I would love it if Windows died but there are no signs at all of that happening any time soon.
Other than me, I don't think I've ever seen a person, business, etc, in the wild running Linux.
Even business signs/billboard I've seen run Windows.
How is it dead?
They did write "Just a matter of time until people realize... " for clarity. 💀
it's a good thing to have multiple implementations of compositors. that avoids bad practices or making compositor specific programs that wouldn't work with other compositors.
I don't think there are many "compositors from scratch" are there? GNOME and KDE both have their own, Cinnamon uses a GNOME fork, and almost everything else I can think of is wlroots based. The only other one I can think of which isn't is Mir, which has been around almost as long as Wayland has.
There is also Weston which is the reference implementaion of a Wayland compositor.
Some positive news for a lot of Linux Mint users who have been complaining about the lack of Wayland support. However, as the blog post listed, it's only going to be experimental in the next major update of Version 21. Still, it'll be good to experience the change.
Also, very clever on the naming schemes used by the Debian and Mint teams for their stable and unstable releases.
Funny times: while one distro kicks Xorg overboard, another distro finally includes Wayland as experimental.
And then there's XFCE
Which is not a distro nor a display server but, like kde and gnome, a desktop environment. They are actively working on wayland support as can be seen here: https://wiki.xfce.org/releng/wayland_roadmap
So just for clarification 😇
And I recognized now that this post was about cinnamon desktop environment, which comes with mint distro, and not the distro itself. So the comparison to GNOME would have been more fitting from my site (they’ll drop Xorg support soon, but still let it be installed in post).
So, yea, and then there is XFCE where we have no real clue when Wayland support is completely ready. But it seems like it could work with something called xwayland that seem to kinda emulate Xorg on wayland 🧐
Oh yeah, I was just mentioning them in general. The most exciting feature of their last big release was being able to change the clocks' font.
I trust XFCE to bring in new features only when they are 100% sure it'll work perfectly. That DE has been nothing but rocksolid for me, and I greatly appreciate that.
Though to push them a little bit, Xorg certainly has flaws when it comes to security, and since pretty much no one will make the effort of working on these flaws anymore, Wayland should be a higher priority for any distro or DE.
XD Linux devs are such nerds...I love it. Glad to see that Wayland is becoming the standard.
Quite glad to see Mint looking forward, good on them.
I was perfectly confident that the Mint team would get around to Wayland support, when it was good and ready. By the time they get it implemented and set as the default, it'll work great.
I like the careful approach. Yes, it's going to take longer. But when it finally arrives, it'll work.
Perfect for their overall philosophy.
Its about time! Finally, I've been waiting a long time for this.
I wonder what will happen with the mate desktop? I know xfce is getting wayalnd support so mate might be the odd one out
No, MATE announced Wayland support a while back. Cinnamon was the odd one out until now
I know progress on that has been slow, but I look in on it every now and again and work does seem to be steady in porting their core components.
I'm not sure if they're settled on a compositor yet. There was talk (from the Ubuntu MATE devs) about using Mir, but I haven't heard anything about it in ages, and the Mir suggestion was at a time when wlroots was in a much less mature position. With XFCE, Budgie and Raspberry Pi OS all now going the wlroots direction, it's not inconceivable that MATE will go the same way.
It was always just a matter of time. A LOT of time in the case of anything wayland related apparently.
It's gonna get replaced by the next thing before it's even ready.
I often reread stuff while imagining I'm someone with no knowledge of the topic, the title of this post is a good example of how hilarious things become.
What's to get? Linux's mint candy made a deal with rapper waylo to put cinnamon into their new flavour of linux
Ah thanks now I get it
Can someone explain to me what Wayland is? I don't fully understand I read wikis on it but I'm still new to a lot of this
The way for your desktop to communicate with the hardware.
It used to be X11 - A server-client architecture, which meant your desktop was effectively just a client that told the server what to do. The server was the one doing the drawing
Wayland is just a protocol, defining how programs and desktop should communicate with each other - without a middleman that was X11 server. The desktop does the actual drawing here.
So it's faster, basically?
Yes
Wayland is basically the graphics system. Technically, Wayland is just the protocol and a “compositor” that implements Wayland acts as the display server—the thing that draws and manages the application windows on your screen.
Wayland replaces X11 ( the X Window System ), if you know what that is.
This is important when windows inevitably dies (subscription-based Windows 12?!) and linux mint gets flooded. Better have the "new" thing from the start
Windows won't die what are you talking about? Windows 12 subscriptions are a) just a rumor and b) not for the entire os, just certain features like AI and stuff
Trust me bro, Windows is gonna die any day now
-- Linux forum people, for as long as I can remember
COPIUM MAN
I love it
I heard there will be a ”windows 365". If windows goes full online like office 365 then the underlining OS could be
everythingLinux.I want your crystal ball
Windows is already dead.
Just a matter of time until people realize they're on a dead platform.
You know like 70% of desktops run Windows right? That's not what I would call "dead". Almost every company out there uses Windows on their computers.
Don't get me wrong, I would love it if Windows died but there are no signs at all of that happening any time soon.
Other than me, I don't think I've ever seen a person, business, etc, in the wild running Linux.
Even business signs/billboard I've seen run Windows.
How is it dead?
They did write "Just a matter of time until people realize... " for clarity. 💀
As long as there is software that only runs on Windows, Windows won't die.
Honestly most of that software is garbage anyway
Anyone know where the sources for this are? I can't find many references to Wayland in the main Cinnamon repo, at least using GitHub's search.
I wanted to check if they use wlroots for this or are writing yet another compositor from scratch.
Cinnamon uses Muffin, which is a fork of GNOME's Mutter: https://github.com/linuxmint/muffin
it's a good thing to have multiple implementations of compositors. that avoids bad practices or making compositor specific programs that wouldn't work with other compositors.
I don't think there are many "compositors from scratch" are there? GNOME and KDE both have their own, Cinnamon uses a GNOME fork, and almost everything else I can think of is wlroots based. The only other one I can think of which isn't is Mir, which has been around almost as long as Wayland has.
There is also Weston which is the reference implementaion of a Wayland compositor.
Yesss let's go.
I can finally die in peace.
Thank god