I need to get back to playing W3. It seems like a great game by all accounts. But, I will not be purchasing another game from CDPR until at least 6 months post-release given the state of CP2077. Not only was it released in an unacceptable state, it wasn't the game that was promised. There have been so many good games released between last year and this year, I can wait until ~2030 if they need to take their time polishing it and making it a complete experience.
But, I will not be purchasing another AAA game from CDPR until at least 6 months post-release
FTFY, unfinished release day games seems to be more than just a CDPR problem.
That's unfortunately true. There are not many developers/publishers I would trust to purchase their products on release day.
Not only that, but their PR person gaslighting people with the article claiming that the game wasn't bad, it was just "cool to hate" has left a really bad taste in my mouth. The game could be absolutely amazing now and the expansion pack could be the game that we were always promised, but the experience and the follow-up has been so bad that I'm similarly waiting until post launch (heck, perhaps even until GOTY with included DLC) for any future CDPR games.
I personally couldn't make it past the "no object permanence" issue, where NPC's would just spawn into and out of existence depending on where the camera was pointing. It was like a magician brought a clear cloth to the table to perform a trick, and we could see how the trick was performed the entire time. It doesn't make his performance less impressive, but it sure would make it less immersive.
I mean, nearly every 3d game doesn't render what the player isn't looking at. CP77 just did it poorly lol
Not rendering != despawn entities and respawn entirely new entities every time your camera changes direction. They also advertised it as NPC's each having their own unique routines, etc. Talk about overpromising and underdelivering. This broke immersion too much for me to play the game. The second I hit the city and saw how NPC's were handled, I was done. It's unfortunate, because I thought the map design, sound, graphics, and gunplay all seemed really good.
You realize cyberpunk wasn't the only game they've made that needed fixed after release right? Both W1 and 2 had enhanced edition patches to fix the broken shit in both games. W1 was a 7/10 game on release by multiple outlets. W3 was the first game they actually took their time with and delayed multiple times to avoid the enhanced edition patches. Anyone who thought cyberpunk was going to be flawless on release was breathing in that hopium.
You realize cyberpunk wasn’t the only game they’ve made that needed fixed after release right?
Nope. I skipped those.
It seems like a great game by all accounts.
Unpopular opinion: I liked the characters and lore a lot, but I found that the sloppy controls and sluggish movement made the world frustrating to interact with, and most of the encounters were so repetitive that I was bored before long. I ended up switching to easy mode so I could finish the story without having to spend much time on the tedious gameplay.
IMHO, if you were to rush through W3 in story mode and skip the side quests, just to get the background before playing W4, I don't think you'd be missing much.
I have only played a few hours, but I recall what I thought was a side quest involving pigs, which was a great quest. Are you suggesting that memorable side quests are infrequent and can/should be skipped?
I actually found the side quests' writing pretty good, and indeed, sometimes even memorable. Unfortunately, most of those quests share a handful of nearly identical tasks, so the good writing started to feel like little more than window dressing before long.
The map encounters were worse, though: Lots of question marks telling me exactly where to go meant there was nearly no real exploration to be had in this open world, and arriving at them led to the same copypasta events over and over again. If you happen to enjoy those events enough that you can't get enough of them, then that's great, but I was bored after the first dozen or so. (Skyrim was far better in this department.)
I remember liking a lot of the main quests, and the characters, and the story, and the world building. It's just that the bulk of the gameplay felt like filler content, with forgettable combat and awkward controls. (I swear, Geralt, if you plod forward one more time when I pull back on the stick, or let one more candle get in the way when I try to interact with something useful, I'm gonna smack you.)
I hope Witcher 4 maintains (or even improves upon) the writing quality of its predecessor, and adds responsive controls and interesting gameplay beyond the main plot points.
On the one hand I'm always excited for more Witcher. On the other hand Cyberpunk 2077. More seriously, I hope they make a great game and it that lives up to the expectations people are going to have for a new Witcher game, but I'm keeping my expectations in check until I see the finished product.
I'm hoping the initial backlash from cyberpunk actually registered with them. Other than that I'm also worried about what kind of story and characters they'll use considering the way the last dlc for witcher 3 ended. Not sure I'll be into Ciri based gameplay. That was my least favorite part of Witcher 3, and I don't really want them to retcon the end of blood and wine either to continue with Geralt.
They need to go back in time to when all the witcher schools were still going and you can choose which school you're a part of at the beginning, make your own witcher instead of one playable character.
That sounds really bad on paper, tbh. The cool parts about the player character all stem from how it's a defined person with an existing personality and place in the world. If it becomes Skyrim: Witcher Edition, we'd probably also inherit the shallow~inexistent storytelling of that.
What if it becomes Baldurs Gate 3: Witcher Edition? BG3 also has a player created character without an existing personality and the storytelling is certainly not shallow in that game.
Yeah but one of the biggest pitfalls is seeing another company catch lightning in a bottle, then thinking that this can be freely recreated. Just that BG3 could do a user-created character with a good story does not at all imply that any other company can do it. Nevermind will. Or even that Larian can do it again.
While I do kinda agree with you, I think CDPR is a lot better at writing interesting quests and characters than Bethesda. Still not as good as larien but I don't think it would be todd Howard bad.
I could see them doing interesting things with Ciri's magic, but there is a good chance they use a different witcher. Or maybe significantly earlier than the existing witcher games? Young Geralt or maybe Vesimir?
Could easily pick up with Lambert and Keira
"Lambert, Lambert, what a prick."
Not bad.
Not sure I’ll be into Ciri based gameplay.
I'd love that. Sure they'd have to really re-do her combat style since it was only a brief intermission before, but it feels natural to progress to her eventually. And honestly, it's high time Geralt takes a bow after 3 games as big as they are, and as awesome as those were. Exit before they eventually ruin him. 😅
I agree. After the ending, I was happy my boy could get some rest too lol
Cyberpunk's patching has showed me that ~1-1,5 years after release is a really good time to jump in.
By which time, between patches and mods, the worst stuff is dealt with and the experience can be really nice, if a bit tepid due to bad design decisions that mods cannot fix. Still, enjoyable game after patches and at a discount.
I learned the lesson: keep the hope low (so I don't get disappointed), and never preorder.
Witcher already has the lore done well. They just need to get the experience right.
Witcher 3 is probably my favourite game of all time, largely because of the semi-parental storyline with Geralt, Yennefer, and Ciri. That said, I think the weakness with the Witcher 1-3 series as a whole is that the plot is too complex. Since most modern AAA RPGs have many, many side quests, I think the main plot of a long RPG should be relatively simple or else risk diluting its dramatic effect.
I feel like CD Projekt Red did a better job with that aspect of story-telling in Cyberpunk, even if the overall emotional arc is less intense than that of Witcher 3. There are lots of cool things to do and interesting side quests in Cyberpunk, but the main arc is pretty simple. You can go off on hours of side quests and still come back to the main plot without forgetting what's going on.
I believe I heard that some developers in CDPR were going on strike? Has anyone else heard about something like that?
Good. I hope Witcher 4 will rock! Still not preordering anything. Especially not from CDPR after Cyberpunk.
Never pre ordering anything for any reason ever has been a pretty good piece of advice to live by, I've found.
Good.
I pre-ordered the collector's edition of Witcher 3 and it was worth every penny. After the Cyberpunk launch debacle they need to earn back that trust.
Yeah but how much of cd projekt red is left?
The ship of Theseus
I mean because they laid off so many people
Which is like the ship changing wood.
I hope it gets all the love and care The Witcher series and its fans deserve. They are going to have to make up a lot of ground with consumers to get back to W3 standards though.
I hope the praise heaped on Cyberpunk 2077 now doesn't let them forget the absolute shitshow of a launch so that they don't try to rush out the next game half-baked as well.
I think the biggest problem for Cyberpunk was that they also released it on last gen consoles which cost them many resources that could've otherwise been used to polish the game for the other platforms.
They also flat out lied about what kind of game it is right until the release. They promised NPCs with their own lives and incredibly intricate dialogue choices that have ripple effects on the whole game. Nothing like that is in the game, even now.
Can't wait to try this about a year or two after it releases.
They should make it an FPS just to fuck with people
I wouldn't mind as long as I can kick, Dark Messiah style.
I still have to start the witcher 3. I've like 5 or 6 games on the go at the moment so it will be a while yet. I also plan to get cyberpunk goty or whatever edition for like 5 ducats in a future steam sale.
You, pal, are in for a treat. Block your calendar.
I wish I could erase the memory of having played the game multiple times.
I think it’s time for a New Game+.
Thanks 🙏. Yeah I'm looking forward to it. I just need to get through the current lot and dedicate a nice block of time to sink my teeth into it.
I need to get back to playing W3. It seems like a great game by all accounts. But, I will not be purchasing another game from CDPR until at least 6 months post-release given the state of CP2077. Not only was it released in an unacceptable state, it wasn't the game that was promised. There have been so many good games released between last year and this year, I can wait until ~2030 if they need to take their time polishing it and making it a complete experience.
FTFY, unfinished release day games seems to be more than just a CDPR problem.
That's unfortunately true. There are not many developers/publishers I would trust to purchase their products on release day.
Not only that, but their PR person gaslighting people with the article claiming that the game wasn't bad, it was just "cool to hate" has left a really bad taste in my mouth. The game could be absolutely amazing now and the expansion pack could be the game that we were always promised, but the experience and the follow-up has been so bad that I'm similarly waiting until post launch (heck, perhaps even until GOTY with included DLC) for any future CDPR games.
I personally couldn't make it past the "no object permanence" issue, where NPC's would just spawn into and out of existence depending on where the camera was pointing. It was like a magician brought a clear cloth to the table to perform a trick, and we could see how the trick was performed the entire time. It doesn't make his performance less impressive, but it sure would make it less immersive.
I mean, nearly every 3d game doesn't render what the player isn't looking at. CP77 just did it poorly lol
Not rendering != despawn entities and respawn entirely new entities every time your camera changes direction. They also advertised it as NPC's each having their own unique routines, etc. Talk about overpromising and underdelivering. This broke immersion too much for me to play the game. The second I hit the city and saw how NPC's were handled, I was done. It's unfortunate, because I thought the map design, sound, graphics, and gunplay all seemed really good.
You realize cyberpunk wasn't the only game they've made that needed fixed after release right? Both W1 and 2 had enhanced edition patches to fix the broken shit in both games. W1 was a 7/10 game on release by multiple outlets. W3 was the first game they actually took their time with and delayed multiple times to avoid the enhanced edition patches. Anyone who thought cyberpunk was going to be flawless on release was breathing in that hopium.
Nope. I skipped those.
Unpopular opinion: I liked the characters and lore a lot, but I found that the sloppy controls and sluggish movement made the world frustrating to interact with, and most of the encounters were so repetitive that I was bored before long. I ended up switching to easy mode so I could finish the story without having to spend much time on the tedious gameplay.
IMHO, if you were to rush through W3 in story mode and skip the side quests, just to get the background before playing W4, I don't think you'd be missing much.
I have only played a few hours, but I recall what I thought was a side quest involving pigs, which was a great quest. Are you suggesting that memorable side quests are infrequent and can/should be skipped?
I actually found the side quests' writing pretty good, and indeed, sometimes even memorable. Unfortunately, most of those quests share a handful of nearly identical tasks, so the good writing started to feel like little more than window dressing before long.
The map encounters were worse, though: Lots of question marks telling me exactly where to go meant there was nearly no real exploration to be had in this open world, and arriving at them led to the same copypasta events over and over again. If you happen to enjoy those events enough that you can't get enough of them, then that's great, but I was bored after the first dozen or so. (Skyrim was far better in this department.)
I remember liking a lot of the main quests, and the characters, and the story, and the world building. It's just that the bulk of the gameplay felt like filler content, with forgettable combat and awkward controls. (I swear, Geralt, if you plod forward one more time when I pull back on the stick, or let one more candle get in the way when I try to interact with something useful, I'm gonna smack you.)
I hope Witcher 4 maintains (or even improves upon) the writing quality of its predecessor, and adds responsive controls and interesting gameplay beyond the main plot points.
On the one hand I'm always excited for more Witcher. On the other hand Cyberpunk 2077. More seriously, I hope they make a great game and it that lives up to the expectations people are going to have for a new Witcher game, but I'm keeping my expectations in check until I see the finished product.
I'm hoping the initial backlash from cyberpunk actually registered with them. Other than that I'm also worried about what kind of story and characters they'll use considering the way the last dlc for witcher 3 ended. Not sure I'll be into Ciri based gameplay. That was my least favorite part of Witcher 3, and I don't really want them to retcon the end of blood and wine either to continue with Geralt.
They need to go back in time to when all the witcher schools were still going and you can choose which school you're a part of at the beginning, make your own witcher instead of one playable character.
That sounds really bad on paper, tbh. The cool parts about the player character all stem from how it's a defined person with an existing personality and place in the world. If it becomes Skyrim: Witcher Edition, we'd probably also inherit the shallow~inexistent storytelling of that.
What if it becomes Baldurs Gate 3: Witcher Edition? BG3 also has a player created character without an existing personality and the storytelling is certainly not shallow in that game.
Yeah but one of the biggest pitfalls is seeing another company catch lightning in a bottle, then thinking that this can be freely recreated. Just that BG3 could do a user-created character with a good story does not at all imply that any other company can do it. Nevermind will. Or even that Larian can do it again.
While I do kinda agree with you, I think CDPR is a lot better at writing interesting quests and characters than Bethesda. Still not as good as larien but I don't think it would be todd Howard bad.
I could see them doing interesting things with Ciri's magic, but there is a good chance they use a different witcher. Or maybe significantly earlier than the existing witcher games? Young Geralt or maybe Vesimir?
Could easily pick up with Lambert and Keira
"Lambert, Lambert, what a prick."
Not bad.
I'd love that. Sure they'd have to really re-do her combat style since it was only a brief intermission before, but it feels natural to progress to her eventually. And honestly, it's high time Geralt takes a bow after 3 games as big as they are, and as awesome as those were. Exit before they eventually ruin him. 😅
I agree. After the ending, I was happy my boy could get some rest too lol
Cyberpunk's patching has showed me that ~1-1,5 years after release is a really good time to jump in.
By which time, between patches and mods, the worst stuff is dealt with and the experience can be really nice, if a bit tepid due to bad design decisions that mods cannot fix. Still, enjoyable game after patches and at a discount.
I learned the lesson: keep the hope low (so I don't get disappointed), and never preorder.
Witcher already has the lore done well. They just need to get the experience right.
Witcher 3 is probably my favourite game of all time, largely because of the semi-parental storyline with Geralt, Yennefer, and Ciri. That said, I think the weakness with the Witcher 1-3 series as a whole is that the plot is too complex. Since most modern AAA RPGs have many, many side quests, I think the main plot of a long RPG should be relatively simple or else risk diluting its dramatic effect.
I feel like CD Projekt Red did a better job with that aspect of story-telling in Cyberpunk, even if the overall emotional arc is less intense than that of Witcher 3. There are lots of cool things to do and interesting side quests in Cyberpunk, but the main arc is pretty simple. You can go off on hours of side quests and still come back to the main plot without forgetting what's going on.
I believe I heard that some developers in CDPR were going on strike? Has anyone else heard about something like that?
Good. I hope Witcher 4 will rock! Still not preordering anything. Especially not from CDPR after Cyberpunk.
Never pre ordering anything for any reason ever has been a pretty good piece of advice to live by, I've found.
Good. I pre-ordered the collector's edition of Witcher 3 and it was worth every penny. After the Cyberpunk launch debacle they need to earn back that trust.
Yeah but how much of cd projekt red is left?
The ship of Theseus
I mean because they laid off so many people
Which is like the ship changing wood.
I hope it gets all the love and care The Witcher series and its fans deserve. They are going to have to make up a lot of ground with consumers to get back to W3 standards though.
I hope the praise heaped on Cyberpunk 2077 now doesn't let them forget the absolute shitshow of a launch so that they don't try to rush out the next game half-baked as well.
I think the biggest problem for Cyberpunk was that they also released it on last gen consoles which cost them many resources that could've otherwise been used to polish the game for the other platforms.
They also flat out lied about what kind of game it is right until the release. They promised NPCs with their own lives and incredibly intricate dialogue choices that have ripple effects on the whole game. Nothing like that is in the game, even now.
Can't wait to try this about a year or two after it releases.
They should make it an FPS just to fuck with people
I wouldn't mind as long as I can kick, Dark Messiah style.
I still have to start the witcher 3. I've like 5 or 6 games on the go at the moment so it will be a while yet. I also plan to get cyberpunk goty or whatever edition for like 5 ducats in a future steam sale.
You, pal, are in for a treat. Block your calendar.
I wish I could erase the memory of having played the game multiple times.
I think it’s time for a New Game+.
Thanks 🙏. Yeah I'm looking forward to it. I just need to get through the current lot and dedicate a nice block of time to sink my teeth into it.
Mod the shit out of it too :-P