Starting to use "soulseek" do I need VPN
So I use a VPN when torrenting as per usual but with Soulseek I wish to share my music with others and that requires me to open a port. I have no problem doing so I just do not pay for a VPN that can do this at the current price I am paying. Is it possible/what are the chances of me getting in trouble ISP wise from using soulseek with no VPN. With where I live I would get in trouble with no VPN and torrents for clarity.
I see posts from years ago saying no just wondering if things have changed.
Thanks
As far as I know you don't need a VPN to use Soulseek, but it's obviously always recommended to use one over not using one.
Why? Why does it matter whether your traffic is visible to your ISP or a VPN company?
Because you are doing something illegal. Your ISP might not care, but if someone complains, they HAVE to start the process. You're not only protecting yourself, but your ISP from the music industry's wrath.
It's more about being visible to other users. If other users have your IP address, they can go to your ISP and complain about your IP address sharing copyrighted material. In certain jurisdictions they have to give out your info so that legal action can be taken against you.
If you use a VPN, they only know that somebody using this VPN is sharing copyrighted material. Since VPNs usually do not log who sends what, they can't be made to give out users data, so you're safe.
Other users do not have your IP address. It is not like torrenting.
Wait then why does nicotine+ have a button when I right click on a peer, "users>Show IP Address," which returns "IP address of user [REDACTED] is [REDACTED], port 40447 (CA/Canada)" (In case you're wondering, I'm the one that redacted it. I'm looking at my most recent peer's info).
Yeah idk why you spread misinformation like that. File up/downloads are done via a p2p connection (see a reverse-engineered documentation of the p2p connection process) and thus the IP addresses are obviously known. Maybe not directly visible in the SoulseekQt client itself, but definitely through third party network connection monitors like Wireshark. It's pretty trivial for anyone using Soulseek to get IPs of the people they download from.
You do know why. I said.
Could somebody complain to your ISP? Yes.
Is this likely to happen? No.
I've been using slsk for about 20 years, and I've never gotten a warning about it. If I start torrenting, I'll get a warning from my ISP tomorrow. I think that it's considered too obscure to be worth monitoring.
Survivorship bias
This would possibly be applicable if Soulseek users were having action taken against them, but has that ever happened? Action taken against individual pirates has pretty focused on bittorrent users. I know Soulseek itself has been sued, but have any users?
I wouldn't set the platform as scope but instead peer to peer technology. Looking at that scale there are quite some people being sued. Also being sued in that regard is a case of over protection because you really don't want to be sued, not even once.
The post has a pretty specific question, and including actions taken against users outside that scope is closer to fearmongering than answering the question at hand. Lumping all p2p usage together isn't useful as long as they're specifically targeting BT sharers; they're not going to accidentally gather IPs of Soulseek users with their torrent honeypots.
You can't guarantee that there won't be a lawyer logging in, writing down your IP
Survivorship bias is about surviving/passing a filter or selection process that's actually happened, not one that could theoretically happen one day.
It happened, that P2P users have been sued because lawyers were getting into the share and wrote down the IPs of the other user.
The statement to which you replied wasn't about p2p users; it was about Soulseek. His perspective isn't a matter of his bias, but rather the complete lack of lawsuits against Soulseek users.
You should change your scope then and stop looking only at the platform but at the technology, because it is the point of breach.
What is your secret to stand the literal neonazis there?
I'm not aware of any neo-Nazis (literal or otherwise). I don't spend any time in the chat rooms, though.
like half of the network is 4channers nazis. Sometimes you might stumble in neonazi material depending on the search terms.
Like I said, I've never ran into this, and I've been using it for about 20 years. Politics never comes up, because I'm almost never chatting with other users.
Haven't used soulseek in about a decade, so things might have changed, but back then my workaround was this: I search for what I want, find a person who's sharing it, and if their library was good I'd allow them to see my library before downloading from them.
So basically I'd share with folks I downloaded from, but not the general public. Not foolproof, but drastically reduced chance that somebody with a well-curated library was there just to prosecute.
Wouldn't a well curated library be the ultimate honeypot?
If all users do the same soulseek would be dead.
I would recommend using a VPN. Since it is p2p, theres a non zero chance that you might get in trouble. Some ISPs don't care and will only act if DMCAed.
Soulseek is Peer To Peer like a torrent. You will likely run into legal trouble, if that program is monitored more heavily.
"Need" no, but I would. I don't like exposing my real IP to peers, idk them, and my ISP doesn't need to know a GODDAMN thing.
using it in Germany without VPN since ages and never got a letter from anyone :)
Tailscale has the Funnel feature that doesn't require an open port (well, it's a UPnP port), and maintains an encrypted tunnel to your music server for anyone you decide to share it with.
Alternatively you could get as many of your friends to use Tailscale itself to minimize the need for the Funnel feature (so anyone you know get them using TS, for the general sharing let it happen via Funnel).
Tailscale is free, and easy to setup.
Definitely looking into tailscale thanks for this.
Anytime you switch from consumer to sharer, you run some heavier risks.
Plex should be a cautionary tale
Please explain the plex comment?
Some sauce for the hungry!
https://www.securityweek.com/cisa-warns-of-plex-vulnerability-linked-to-lastpass-hack/amp/
That's more of a cautionary tale about running out-of-date software. A vpn wouldn't have affected it at all, and it's not especially relevant to OP's question. It also doesn't have anything to do with sharing content, not really relevant to your initial comment either.
Slsk is out of date
Got a link to the CVE?
what's CVE?
Common Vulnerabilities and Exposures, it's a system for cataloging security issues. For instance, the vulnerability in Plex that caused the leak in the link above was CVE-2020-5741.
When I called the version of Plex out-of-date, it's because it had an unpatched security vulnerability. Because you called Soulseek out of date, I'm asking you which vulnerability makes you say that.
No but the latest build is from 2018/19 probably there are exploits. I guess.
Your face is out of date!
use a vpn, or not - but users can query your ip easily.
jeez, soul seek? how about limewire or napster or telegram lol
Bro, don't crap on SoulSeek. Music collectors all over the world use it. You can find some rare gems on there you won't find in Spotify, Tidal, YouTube or any other music platform.
And comparing it to limewire is kind of unfair.
Honestly I was sleeping on soulseek for a while it is a great source of music.
Who is crapping on anything? I just haven't heard of SoulSeek since the days of Limewire. longer even