The video shows one officer pointing a gun at Bushnell, while others extinguished the flames. The MPD spokesperson did not confirm if that officer worked for the police department, but said the matter is under investigation.
Okay wtf is that supposed to mean? Who else should the pig be working for?
I don't know why they say suicide is illegal in the US, all you have to do is call the cops and they'll send someone to help finish the job.
Then it's extra-legal!
There are dozens of police agencies in just a couple blocks of that area. And they can all dress similarly. MPD is for the entire district, but each government agency can have their own police.
(don't pay any attention to the similarities to the Roman Empire and its multitude of "security" organizations)
Not defending the practice, but at least in North America, it's relatively common for cops to get hired to work security by private companies. It's usually called Paid Duty and those are the cops you see who seem to be working security guard like details at retail shops and sports games etc. They are still technically working for the police department in that situation though I believe.
@masterspace yikes that sounds like all kinds of conflict of interest.
It also sounds like an extreme form of policing for the rich only.
Yup, that's why I wanted to make it very clear that I was not defending the practice. Seems inherently ripe for abuse. It often seems like it allows rich people to pretend like crime isn't an issue in their isolated bubbles rather than be forced to address it on a societal scale.
Though at the same time, if people are going to throw a massive event, you often do need to have extra police at least on standby, and I can see the logic of saying "well then that event organizer should be the one paying for it, rather than the general taxpayer"... that's still pretty radically different from a random Gucci store hiring a cop to patrol their bags with a gun though, and I don't even know if those two types of things would even fall under the same programs.
@masterspace yeah I can see that. It's basically taking people who were trained at public expense (and who are supposed to uphold public interests) and then having them selectively police in the private sector (and private interests) in exchange for that sector subsidising their salaries.
Has it been associated with police homicides at all, do you know?
Could be feds, or another branch of LE
First off, that website is an ad dumpster fire. UBlock is a requirement.
Second, here's the write from the article referencing his Facebook post:
He wrote: "Many of us like to ask ourselves, 'What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now."
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A man who set himself on fire outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C. in protest at Israel's war in Gaza posted a final message on Facebook.
Aaron Bushnell, an active-duty member of the U.S. Air Force, repeatedly yelled "free Palestine" as he set himself alight in what he called an "extreme" act of protest on Sunday.
The footage shows him walk up the driveway of the embassy, set his phone down on the ground and pour an unknown liquid from a bottle over himself and ignite it while yelling "Free Palestine" repeatedly.
The department is working with the Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to investigate the incident, the spokesperson added.
A LinkedIn account apparently belonging to Bushnell describes him as an "aspiring software engineer" with "a talent and passion for solving complex problems with code."
Bushnell's protest comes as Israel's war on Hamas has killed about 30,000 Palestinians, The Associated Press reported, citing the Health Ministry in Gaza.
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I thought the name wouldnt be released until 24 hours after the final notice was delivered to his kin?
How do we convince conservatives that self-immolation is their ticket to heaven?
The video shows one officer pointing a gun at Bushnell
Sounds about right.
Hey! Stop dying or I'll shoot!
Off topic, but In Bruges is a great film.
If you are reading this, and haven't seen "In Bruges", do yourself a favour.
And if heβd started lighting other people on fire?
That's not how this works
How are the police to know that he was his only target before it all happens?
I don't want to sound cynical, but I really struggle with understanding what someone thinks they'll actually accomplish setting themselves on fire. I it would be the most horrific way to die let alone doing it to yourself.
You're Joe Biden. You need to win an election.
A US soldier just lit himself on fire about controversy that you know voters do not like about you. The situation clearly is developing for the worse for you.
You don't think they care? You should read up on Johnson's feelings about protestors mocking his killing of America's youth in Vietnam. He did not like it. I feel Biden is sensing much of the same.
You're trying to understand mental illness. Look at this story for what it is: Yet another tragedy caused by America's lack of attention to mental health care, especially for our enlisted personnel.
You're trying to find the glory in this suicide because this story of suicide is being glorified; we're supposed to know better than that but clearly we don't.
Self-immolation is not mental illness any more than any other intentional sacrifice intended to support a cause. That soldier was no doubt taught that wearing the uniform may require the ultimate sacrifice for his comrades and country and that those who did so would be heroes, this is no different.
The department is working with the Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to investigate the incident, the spokesperson added.
Seems pretty self-explanatory. What is there to investigate?
I will never understand this kind of "protest," because it presumes that you have value to the people you are protesting. Israel certainly doesn't give a fuck about a US citizens' opinions, and the US government doesn't know who you are. You are killing yourself to make a point to people who literally don't care if you live or die, and any meaningful activism you could have done as an able-bodied person is lost forever.
People might remember that this happened, but it will be like a half-remembered dream when the next event oozes out of the ragebait news machine.
Based on what I leaned from the article about his final message, the protest wasn't for Israel's sake, it was to draw those living under the rule of a government's attention (whether Israel's, the U.S.'s, or wherever else's) to the situation. To point out that we are indeed living through a genocide perpetuated by our own government. Like I question his method, but realisticly speaking, you and I wouldn't be talking about it if he hadn't.
And maybe nothing will ultimately come of it, maybe it was a desperate act against his own powerlessness to stop it.
I would argue self immolation is a pretty powerful statement though, you weigh everything you are, everything you could be; against the hope that a message takes off somewhere.
Amen. This man did something. While we sit on our asses on Lemmy and complain. You can criticize his methods, but not his conviction.
More people have died in so many other wars, but this is a genocide? I keep reading it but I don't see it. Land displacement is not genocide.
Never thought I'd see someone tone policing self immolation.
Okay wtf is that supposed to mean? Who else should the pig be working for?
I don't know why they say suicide is illegal in the US, all you have to do is call the cops and they'll send someone to help finish the job.
Then it's extra-legal!
There are dozens of police agencies in just a couple blocks of that area. And they can all dress similarly. MPD is for the entire district, but each government agency can have their own police.
https://publicsafety.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_law_enforcement_agencies_in_the_District_of_Columbia
(don't pay any attention to the similarities to the Roman Empire and its multitude of "security" organizations)
Not defending the practice, but at least in North America, it's relatively common for cops to get hired to work security by private companies. It's usually called Paid Duty and those are the cops you see who seem to be working security guard like details at retail shops and sports games etc. They are still technically working for the police department in that situation though I believe.
@masterspace yikes that sounds like all kinds of conflict of interest.
It also sounds like an extreme form of policing for the rich only.
Yup, that's why I wanted to make it very clear that I was not defending the practice. Seems inherently ripe for abuse. It often seems like it allows rich people to pretend like crime isn't an issue in their isolated bubbles rather than be forced to address it on a societal scale.
Though at the same time, if people are going to throw a massive event, you often do need to have extra police at least on standby, and I can see the logic of saying "well then that event organizer should be the one paying for it, rather than the general taxpayer"... that's still pretty radically different from a random Gucci store hiring a cop to patrol their bags with a gun though, and I don't even know if those two types of things would even fall under the same programs.
@masterspace yeah I can see that. It's basically taking people who were trained at public expense (and who are supposed to uphold public interests) and then having them selectively police in the private sector (and private interests) in exchange for that sector subsidising their salaries.
Has it been associated with police homicides at all, do you know?
Could be feds, or another branch of LE
First off, that website is an ad dumpster fire. UBlock is a requirement.
Second, here's the write from the article referencing his Facebook post:
He wrote: "Many of us like to ask ourselves, 'What would I do if I was alive during slavery? Or the Jim Crow South? Or apartheid? What would I do if my country was committing genocide?' The answer is, you're doing it. Right now."
This is the best summary I could come up with:
A man who set himself on fire outside the Israeli Embassy in Washington, D.C. in protest at Israel's war in Gaza posted a final message on Facebook.
Aaron Bushnell, an active-duty member of the U.S. Air Force, repeatedly yelled "free Palestine" as he set himself alight in what he called an "extreme" act of protest on Sunday.
The footage shows him walk up the driveway of the embassy, set his phone down on the ground and pour an unknown liquid from a bottle over himself and ignite it while yelling "Free Palestine" repeatedly.
The department is working with the Secret Service and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to investigate the incident, the spokesperson added.
A LinkedIn account apparently belonging to Bushnell describes him as an "aspiring software engineer" with "a talent and passion for solving complex problems with code."
Bushnell's protest comes as Israel's war on Hamas has killed about 30,000 Palestinians, The Associated Press reported, citing the Health Ministry in Gaza.
The original article contains 556 words, the summary contains 165 words. Saved 70%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!
I thought the name wouldnt be released until 24 hours after the final notice was delivered to his kin?
How do we convince conservatives that self-immolation is their ticket to heaven?
Apparently, vaccine mandates.
By telling them heaven is controlled by white, pure-blooded christians that are free from the worries of black people and transgenders.
Sounds about right.
Hey! Stop dying or I'll shoot!
Off topic, but In Bruges is a great film.
If you are reading this, and haven't seen "In Bruges", do yourself a favour.
And if heβd started lighting other people on fire?
That's not how this works
How are the police to know that he was his only target before it all happens?
I don't want to sound cynical, but I really struggle with understanding what someone thinks they'll actually accomplish setting themselves on fire. I it would be the most horrific way to die let alone doing it to yourself.
You're Joe Biden. You need to win an election.
A US soldier just lit himself on fire about controversy that you know voters do not like about you. The situation clearly is developing for the worse for you.
You don't think they care? You should read up on Johnson's feelings about protestors mocking his killing of America's youth in Vietnam. He did not like it. I feel Biden is sensing much of the same.
You're trying to understand mental illness. Look at this story for what it is: Yet another tragedy caused by America's lack of attention to mental health care, especially for our enlisted personnel.
You're trying to find the glory in this suicide because this story of suicide is being glorified; we're supposed to know better than that but clearly we don't.
Self-immolation is not mental illness any more than any other intentional sacrifice intended to support a cause. That soldier was no doubt taught that wearing the uniform may require the ultimate sacrifice for his comrades and country and that those who did so would be heroes, this is no different.
Seems pretty self-explanatory. What is there to investigate?
I will never understand this kind of "protest," because it presumes that you have value to the people you are protesting. Israel certainly doesn't give a fuck about a US citizens' opinions, and the US government doesn't know who you are. You are killing yourself to make a point to people who literally don't care if you live or die, and any meaningful activism you could have done as an able-bodied person is lost forever.
People might remember that this happened, but it will be like a half-remembered dream when the next event oozes out of the ragebait news machine.
Based on what I leaned from the article about his final message, the protest wasn't for Israel's sake, it was to draw those living under the rule of a government's attention (whether Israel's, the U.S.'s, or wherever else's) to the situation. To point out that we are indeed living through a genocide perpetuated by our own government. Like I question his method, but realisticly speaking, you and I wouldn't be talking about it if he hadn't.
And maybe nothing will ultimately come of it, maybe it was a desperate act against his own powerlessness to stop it.
I would argue self immolation is a pretty powerful statement though, you weigh everything you are, everything you could be; against the hope that a message takes off somewhere.
Amen. This man did something. While we sit on our asses on Lemmy and complain. You can criticize his methods, but not his conviction.
More people have died in so many other wars, but this is a genocide? I keep reading it but I don't see it. Land displacement is not genocide.
Never thought I'd see someone tone policing self immolation.
Surely, voting for Biden will fix this.
β Every neolib on lemmy telling me to vote blue.