Absolutely appalling. It's a clear anti-consumer trick to lock you into Meta's ecosystem. There's no benefit to the end user at all. It's just boosting Meta's numbers so they can sell ad space for more money.
If an existing Instagram user signs up for Threads to try it out, and they decide they don't like it, they're stuck with the account forever anyway.
If a new user wants to try Threads, they have to sign up for Instagram too. That way, if Threads doesn't take off, all those new users at least have Instagram accounts they might use instead.
With Facebook and Instagram, Meta has clearly shown that they're entirely capable of making separate accounts and linking them together. They could have copied that same model with Threads. It took them more design work to make a worse user experience.
The accounts aren't separate.
Who has an Instagram account, already has a thread account already. It's the same account. You can delete info on it, but of course deleting one of them will delete both, because it's only one.
It's like saying "deleting my OneDrive account will delete my Microsoft account too, is so unfair"
Poor analogy. I can deprovision OneDrive (or any other M365 app) for any user while keeping all their other services intact. Meta obviously doesn't want that scenario.
they offer to disable thread too. Delete content + disable = deprovision.
If someone wants to be completely wiped from their database, of course they need to delete the whole account
I guess my point was, there no such thing as a "OneDrive account", but your point is that the same applies to Meta. We agree!
As I commented in another thread.
From the article: Meta’s supplemental privacy policy states, “You may deactivate your Threads profile at any time, but your Threads profile can only be deleted by deleting your Instagram account.”
I interpret it as that you can't delete your Threads profile, unless you delete your Instagram account. So it's not as if you try to delete your Threads account and oopsie your Insta is gone as well... same, but still different.
I won’t be at all surprised if Threads is not much more than a skin over the instagram backend, which would lead to these kind of outcomes. Folks like the think of a sinister reason, but I reckon a technical one is more likely.
The issue is that large tech companies rarely restrain themselves when there’s a big pile of money to be made. The odds are high that Meta will exploit this whether it was an accident or not.
As those two things are at totally different places in their product lifecycles and will likely have entirelly different uptakes, possibly different populations and quite different usage patterns (something technically extremelly important in high-performance settings because of caching), in terms of Software Architecture it doesn't make sense to have one on top of the other.
The only thing that makes sense from the point of view of software systems design is Single Sign-On (i.e. linking accounts).
So either their head techies are not really all that senior (frankly, I wouldn't be surprised, as judging by their library design and completelly messy product lifecycles, even Google seems to have few or no genuine Technical Architects) or the decision has nothing to do with technology.
Brilliant. I usually sign up for everything to claim my username just in case, but I'll skip this one.
I too used to be bogged down with one handle everywhere I went. but then I saw the light. I saw the truth. look at my username; it is gibberish! does that stop me? no, it only gives me power! my strength lies in the words I post, not the name under which they are posted. I might delete this account and make a new one under the first thing that pops into my head... in doing so I would lose nothing, and gain the world.
free yourself from your prison. creativity is liberty.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
if you have a username on instagram, it can't be claimed on Threads by someone else.
What does your username mean?
Or they'll delete your entire art account you've been using for over a decade because one user reported you aren't you.
Insta killed my account for "violating guidelines" and impersonating myself apparently. At least I don't have to deal with Threads now, but R.I.P. my creative drive since then.
This is the biggest risk of centralized platforms in my opinion, it's too easy to get mysteriously banned and lose access to years worth of content with no recourse. Good luck getting a human customer service agent who is actually equipped to help you.
Yeah, they're too big to help anyone that isn't a top earner for them. I'd like to self host a Lemmy instance for art but, my ISP sucks and I'm running low on motivation these days.
Sadington
This is the dictionary definition example of a win win
From the very beginning they were going to make it easy to join. The sinister part is always when you try to leave. If you don't play by their rules they will take back everything and leave you high and dry. The ActivityPub support was never going to be a two way street. It's likely a means to siphon fediverse content and drag users back into Meta's data harvesting.
So there's finally a way to actually delete instagram accounts? The number of times I went through the whole process just to find my account not deleted is ridiculous.
It's cumbersome and annoying, but they'll have to honor it.
Does this mean the do offer Threads in a GDPR jurisdiction?
For Instagram. Threads is banned in the EU as far as I know.
I don't know how they'll deal with California's CCPA.
You can't delete it -- deleting is for Threads. On instagram you nuke your account.
My Instagram account won't let me follow anybody for some reason (cites protection of users or somesuch). I never use it anyway. I've requested a data download and will delete it imminently, as it is completely useless to me.
May as well avoid them accidentally creating me a Threads account I don't want.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
They're pretty much using Instagram user base to push their own Twitter replacement.
Zuckerberg is a cancer in big tech, he doesn't create anything, he only destroys and steal your data.
Good neeeeeeeeeews everyone! It's a 2-for-1.
Meh, if Meta wants to make it easier for you to quit Meta, then so be it.
I unfortunately deleted my instagram account a while back and will not be able to benefit from this deal.
You have it backwards. You can't get rid of threads without deleting Insta too.
Very suspect behavior. That said, for anyone that ends up deleting threads because they object to Meta's business practices, their approach to privacy, etc... Keeping instagram would kind of defeat the purpose anyway.
I don't know, I only have an instagram account so I can open posts/pics that sometimes are linked on a blog or website, and to look at that one cat account I follow when I log in once in a blue moon. No post of my own, no phone app. I don't believe Meta knows a lot on me just via that. I wouldn't want to lose the account just because I refuse Threads' business model though.
If have undestood correctly this is only when you've logged into Thread using your instagram account and even then you can delete your Threads account but if you want to delete the profile they have created of you then you need to delete instagram aswell.
I don't think this applies if you made a new account for Threads that isn't linked to your IG.
Correct
This was the push I needed to delete my account entirely.
I really wish news outlets would quit using click-bait terms like "nuke" in their headlines.
That sounds great!
who do i email to let them know i deleted that stupid pointless bullshit
tbh I'm more surprised that slashdot still exists, than with this "news" :)
Absolutely appalling. It's a clear anti-consumer trick to lock you into Meta's ecosystem. There's no benefit to the end user at all. It's just boosting Meta's numbers so they can sell ad space for more money.
If an existing Instagram user signs up for Threads to try it out, and they decide they don't like it, they're stuck with the account forever anyway.
If a new user wants to try Threads, they have to sign up for Instagram too. That way, if Threads doesn't take off, all those new users at least have Instagram accounts they might use instead.
With Facebook and Instagram, Meta has clearly shown that they're entirely capable of making separate accounts and linking them together. They could have copied that same model with Threads. It took them more design work to make a worse user experience.
The accounts aren't separate.
Who has an Instagram account, already has a thread account already. It's the same account. You can delete info on it, but of course deleting one of them will delete both, because it's only one.
It's like saying "deleting my OneDrive account will delete my Microsoft account too, is so unfair"
Poor analogy. I can deprovision OneDrive (or any other M365 app) for any user while keeping all their other services intact. Meta obviously doesn't want that scenario.
they offer to disable thread too. Delete content + disable = deprovision.
If someone wants to be completely wiped from their database, of course they need to delete the whole account
I guess my point was, there no such thing as a "OneDrive account", but your point is that the same applies to Meta. We agree!
As I commented in another thread. From the article: Meta’s supplemental privacy policy states, “You may deactivate your Threads profile at any time, but your Threads profile can only be deleted by deleting your Instagram account.”
I interpret it as that you can't delete your Threads profile, unless you delete your Instagram account. So it's not as if you try to delete your Threads account and oopsie your Insta is gone as well... same, but still different.
I won’t be at all surprised if Threads is not much more than a skin over the instagram backend, which would lead to these kind of outcomes. Folks like the think of a sinister reason, but I reckon a technical one is more likely.
The issue is that large tech companies rarely restrain themselves when there’s a big pile of money to be made. The odds are high that Meta will exploit this whether it was an accident or not.
As those two things are at totally different places in their product lifecycles and will likely have entirelly different uptakes, possibly different populations and quite different usage patterns (something technically extremelly important in high-performance settings because of caching), in terms of Software Architecture it doesn't make sense to have one on top of the other.
The only thing that makes sense from the point of view of software systems design is Single Sign-On (i.e. linking accounts).
So either their head techies are not really all that senior (frankly, I wouldn't be surprised, as judging by their library design and completelly messy product lifecycles, even Google seems to have few or no genuine Technical Architects) or the decision has nothing to do with technology.
Brilliant. I usually sign up for everything to claim my username just in case, but I'll skip this one.
I too used to be bogged down with one handle everywhere I went. but then I saw the light. I saw the truth. look at my username; it is gibberish! does that stop me? no, it only gives me power! my strength lies in the words I post, not the name under which they are posted. I might delete this account and make a new one under the first thing that pops into my head... in doing so I would lose nothing, and gain the world.
free yourself from your prison. creativity is liberty.
Sir, this is a Wendy’s.
if you have a username on instagram, it can't be claimed on Threads by someone else.
What does your username mean?
Or they'll delete your entire art account you've been using for over a decade because one user reported you aren't you. Insta killed my account for "violating guidelines" and impersonating myself apparently. At least I don't have to deal with Threads now, but R.I.P. my creative drive since then.
This is the biggest risk of centralized platforms in my opinion, it's too easy to get mysteriously banned and lose access to years worth of content with no recourse. Good luck getting a human customer service agent who is actually equipped to help you.
Yeah, they're too big to help anyone that isn't a top earner for them. I'd like to self host a Lemmy instance for art but, my ISP sucks and I'm running low on motivation these days.
Sadington
This is the dictionary definition example of a win win
Not quite what I envisioned by I fucking called it: https://lemmy.world/comment/849710
From the very beginning they were going to make it easy to join. The sinister part is always when you try to leave. If you don't play by their rules they will take back everything and leave you high and dry. The ActivityPub support was never going to be a two way street. It's likely a means to siphon fediverse content and drag users back into Meta's data harvesting.
So there's finally a way to actually delete instagram accounts? The number of times I went through the whole process just to find my account not deleted is ridiculous.
https://gdpr.eu/right-to-erasure-request-form/
It's cumbersome and annoying, but they'll have to honor it.
Does this mean the do offer Threads in a GDPR jurisdiction?
For Instagram. Threads is banned in the EU as far as I know.
I don't know how they'll deal with California's CCPA.
You can't delete it -- deleting is for Threads. On instagram you nuke your account.
My Instagram account won't let me follow anybody for some reason (cites protection of users or somesuch). I never use it anyway. I've requested a data download and will delete it imminently, as it is completely useless to me.
May as well avoid them accidentally creating me a Threads account I don't want.
Don’t threaten me with a good time
They're pretty much using Instagram user base to push their own Twitter replacement.
Zuckerberg is a cancer in big tech, he doesn't create anything, he only destroys and steal your data.
Good neeeeeeeeeews everyone! It's a 2-for-1. Meh, if Meta wants to make it easier for you to quit Meta, then so be it. I unfortunately deleted my instagram account a while back and will not be able to benefit from this deal.
You have it backwards. You can't get rid of threads without deleting Insta too.
Very suspect behavior. That said, for anyone that ends up deleting threads because they object to Meta's business practices, their approach to privacy, etc... Keeping instagram would kind of defeat the purpose anyway.
I don't know, I only have an instagram account so I can open posts/pics that sometimes are linked on a blog or website, and to look at that one cat account I follow when I log in once in a blue moon. No post of my own, no phone app. I don't believe Meta knows a lot on me just via that. I wouldn't want to lose the account just because I refuse Threads' business model though.
If have undestood correctly this is only when you've logged into Thread using your instagram account and even then you can delete your Threads account but if you want to delete the profile they have created of you then you need to delete instagram aswell.
I don't think this applies if you made a new account for Threads that isn't linked to your IG.
Correct
This was the push I needed to delete my account entirely.
I really wish news outlets would quit using click-bait terms like "nuke" in their headlines.
That sounds great!
who do i email to let them know i deleted that stupid pointless bullshit
tbh I'm more surprised that slashdot still exists, than with this "news" :)