Biden accuses Trump of 'coming for your health care' in new campaign ad

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What health care? My "cheap" state health care that goes up 40 dollars every six months? It started at 30 and now I'm paying over 160 a month for it. Stop fucking around and make this single payer already. There are fuckloads of Americans. We can pay it even without the obscenely rich helping.

What health care?

I came here to say exactly that.

See the thing is Democrats, if you are going to paint yourselves in as the heroes, you actually have to go after the things you say you will; not just campaign on them and then disregard them when things become 'difficult'.

What would you like for them to have done over the past year+ that would have been possible with a GOP-controlled House?

False:

In 2021, Democrats pushed, and in some cases passed, bills to enact sweeping drug price reforms, permanently extend Obamacare subsidies and expand Medicaid in the 12 holdout states that have refused to do so, and pour hundreds of billions into home health care for the elderly and people with disabilities and add dental, vision and hearing benefits to Medicare.

edit: Here's more stuff negotiated by Democrats recently, if you care. (I suspect you don't)

Keep it in your pants bozo, and just take the L.

You and your friends are delusional.

The 1800s called, they want their rebuttal back

Democrats and Biden are losing this election right now. Its because they've shown themselves, repeatedly, to be incapable of governing.

It doesn't matter why they suck at governing. That's not my problem as a voter. Its their problem.

More broadly, your sycophantic defense of a lost position just makes it further impossible to actually improve on the Democrats as a party.

You're a cheerleader, and your cheer leading of an obviously failed approach to politics and getting results just makes in more and more clear that the Democrats aren't a party worth supporting.

The Mr. Pink meme as a response to Teach's tirade puts it on display just perfectly if you know the reference.

Its not my fucking problem. I'm not voting to get jerked off by Democrats and their apologists in media and online, trying to convince me that up is down when they' continuously fail, or often as much, fail to even try to get the things they campaign on into policy. I'm not voting for sound-bytes and or to be convinced an L is a W. I'm voting for results and if the Democrats can't generate them because of how they manage their party, then they aren't worth voting for. This is the point about the fallacy Teach is making. Teach and yourself subscribe to the fallacy of inevitable in the story of history: "that there could have been none other way".

Don't you think its funny that in-spite of basically not having a governing majority in a half decade, Republicans have some how managed to effectively make the will of their voters into the law of the land? If the Democrats can't functionally resist Republican policy, then I have to do something else with the limited power I have, because the future is too important to be left in the hands of a party incapable of wielding power. Somehow, from a minority position, Republicans are able to govern. You should be curious as to why that is.

So far from the new Democratic alignment in the house we've gotten 26 billion for Israels genocide, a redefining of protest as antisemitism, and it looks like the Democrats ARE going to push for a draconian border bill that would give Tucker Carlson a nighttime emission if he dreamed it up himself.

If you are only against fascism when it comes from Republicans, are you really against fascism? If you are only against racist border policies when its a R in office, are you really against racist border policies?

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I guess you're too young to remember the Obamacare debate. The Dems barely managed to pass a plan inspired by Mitt Romney's Mass. plan.

It's hard to do nice things when the GOP is actively trying to destroy the social net.

What's your excuse for California with a bullet proof dem super majority who strikes down single payer every time it comes up? They are all owned by the same corporations

You do realize there's a difference between one single state doing something, and the whole country?

Also, where's your great alternative to the Dems? I'd love to hear all about it.

If a state with a bullet proof democrat super majority can't fix things like healthcare, wages, housing, etc democrats on the federal level couldn't do it either. They would find, like California does, a rotating villain to blame for not being able to govern.

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Also, where’s your great alternative to the Dems? I’d love to hear all about it.

Much complaining but no solution

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I don't think you'll find many people that don't look at our current healthcare system as a wreck. People are paying $150-$300 a month for a coupon that takes 70% off their next hospital bill of $200,000.

A better message would be that Trump is coming for our Democracy.

But this current message lacks any perspective on our current healthcare system.

A lot of old ppl are on free government healthcare. That is who Biden is targeting with this statement.

Wonder if it’s occurred to Biden that millennials now outnumber the boomers.

And then there’s gen z voters.

Do they vote more then that boomers?

Yes. .

It can get a bit murky, based on how people split the age sections. Gen X, for example is frequently split between two age ranges (they're people between ~45 and 60, and for example the census splits people as 34-65, or others at 55.)

Also keep in mind that boomers tend to lean red where millennials tend to lean blue.

It doesn't help that boomers are dying off. Cuz you know. that happens.

Ya'll are only paying $150-$300?

My wife and I are $500 each, and it doesn't cover much until the yearly 5 figure deductible is hit.

what the fuck

Yep. I said that phrase dozens of times when I was evaluating our options too.

So, genuinely, why even pay for it?

You’re going to go bankrupt anyway. Might as well save the cash, open a trust and transfer it in there so debt collectors can’t touch it, then file for chapter 7 bankruptcy. Then just don’t pay the absurd bills.

The idea of health insurance is to not go bankrupt if we get sick. A 5 figure bill is not pleasant, but not insurmountable for us.

So if one of us ends up with medical bills for $800k, we'll spend something like $30k if treatment straddled two years, and our insurance pays the rest (theoretically).

It sucks ass, but health insurance is pretty much useless at general day to day health coverage that costs in the 3-4 figure range. But absolutely essential for the catastrophic life saving coverage that would wipe us out.

Of course, due to in/out coverage bullshit, and insurance companies fighting claims, there's always the strong possibility we get wiped out anyway. But that's another discussion.

Here's something fucked up.

I'm a software engineer making serious bucks, and my job's plan is like a fraction of most people. When I worked at a bar, I was paying twice as much in today's dollars.

He's gonna grab us all by the pre-existing condition

Sorry, i dont make enough money to qualify for health care subsidies. Its an oversight he campaigned on fixing, but no mention since being elected.

I'm sorry you're in that situation, but this is wrong.

He successfully created subsidies that brought Affordable Care Plan enrollment up and brought the number of uninsured Americans down from 14.5% to 11% through the American Rescue Plan Act, which removed a cap on eligibility for subsidies above 400 percent of the poverty level and limited premiums to 8.5% income among other things.

Every action he's tried to take in the healthcare front has been blocked by others, lawsuits from drug companies, Congress, you name it. States were supposed to take increased funding and expand Medicaid access for people outside the income range for ACA at the same time as the increased subsidies. Many did. Several did not (take a guess which).

He's certainly a flawed president and I wish Democrats ran someone stronger, but this critique is provably false. He has mentioned it and tried to take actions to improve healthcare access.

Of course he could do more, but saying "no mention" is either willfully ignorant or trollish or angered exaggeration. This is on top of the health care improvements he managed to get into the Inflation Reduction Act and proposed healthcare funding in the budget he released in March (which is again supposed to expand Medicaid and Medicare).

which removed a cap on eligibility for subsidies above 400 percent of the poverty level

This is the opposite of what i said. I dont make too much to qualify, i dont make enough to qualify.

States were supposed to take increased funding and expand Medicaid access for people outside the income range for ACA at the same time as the increased subsidies.

Im aware. This happened 14 years ago. He campaigned on closing this gap, he has not mentioned it since elected.

And I'm saying you're wrong and completely ignoring the actions he took to address it. It was mentioned. States were to expand Medicaid in conjunction with his expanding ACA explicitly to handle situations like you brought up.

His proposed budget involves $150 billion earmarked for Medicaid explicitly to expand it to cover people in your situation where the 10 states did not expand coverage as they were supposed to after his American Rescue Plan Act in 2021 and Inflation Reduction Act in 2022. This was not 14 years ago. That was 3 and 2 respectively. And the budget is being debated currently.

He's mentioned it. He's been trying to tackle it.

States were to expand Medicaid in conjunction with his expanding ACA explicitly to handle situations like you brought up.

This was not 14 years ago.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medicaid_coverage_gap#

"Expansion of Medicaid was a key aspect of the ACA when it was signed into law by President Barack Obama in March 2010"

He would have to be quite a fool to make the same mistake again of leaving it up to the states to expand Medicaid

He talking about the shitty health insurance protecting corporate profits plans we are subjected to? It needs to be struck down.

The health care that is so good our life expectancy has gone down

OK, the only US candidate to mention Universal Healthcare for all Americans was Marianne Williamson. The rest do not give a shit about the massive healthcare dumpster fire.

The one who was pandering about healthcare in the campaign and did nothing? At least RepubliKKKans are open about being fascist genocides not just cover it up with an empty speech.

This dude, he just can't keep his foot out his mouth.

We don't have healthcare you fucking fossilized piece of shit.

Says the guy who has advocated for the removal of Medicare

Being reported for "misinformation" but that's because of the short term memory problem most people have.

The year was 1984 and then Senator Biden worked with Republicans in the Senate to cut COLA for both Medicare and Social Security.

https://www.grassley.senate.gov/news/remarks/grassley-president-biden-should-remember-his-words-39-years-ago-do-something-about-national-debt

It passed the Senate by a single vote. You could argue that vote was Biden's.

It then promptly died in Tip O'Neill's House.

Without that additional context, it is disinformation which is clearly intended to affect views of Biden's current policies.

My brother in Christ, Joe Biden was and still is a tradition Republican who calls himself a Democrat. He is saying what ever needs to get votes. He has shown multiple times that he has no intention of going through with it.

the short term memory problem most people have.

The year was 1984

Bruh, its not 'short term memory' issues when you're talking about shit from 40 years ago. That's generations of time. Spoken word oral tradition shit.

Bring up shit that's happened this century, not shit that happened before the internet was more than just ARPANET or wearing onions on your belt wasn't the hip new thing.