Everyone needs to see Rammstein live at least once in their lives.
Just don’t get too close to Till if you are a woman.
Allegedly
Nope. That's pretty save to say. Just the leagal chareges are dropped. It is proven that the castings happend and sex happend. How much the women knew what they are casted for may differ from each instance and how much they felt presured.
Nope. That's pretty save to say.
How much the women knew what they are casted for may differ from each instance and how much they felt presured.
Seems like two conflicting statements.
How? There were enough women how felt presured and for some it was clear what's going to happen so they needn't to be "convinced".
What do You mean? Women are less fireproof than men?
Well you should more be drug and rape proof
generally take all accusations with a grain of salt, I'm not saying that the lady is a liar, but often these things just turn into massive rumor mills, and as far as I know from people who have worked with the band in the past, the band themselves generally get wasted on anything they get their hands on, but that's not uncommon in the punk/metal scene.
But Those woman did not Profit, more like they got hate All over the Internet. So i dont think they made it up. And since all that came out i cant stand to hear rammstein sadly anymore.
Have you looked into the Rammstein-like bands? Eisbrecher and Oomph! immediately come to mind, but I think theres a few more with similar sounds.
what are you talking about? their job relies on and pays out based on public visibility.
And again, if you know they have drug orgies, you go to the drug orgy, you take the drugs at the drug orgy, and then are surprised that you were part of a drug orgy.
If you willingly take drugs Sure. But getting roofied which some woman claimed that is a different Story.
Thing is, these kinds of parties everything has drugs, and you get a quick run down of what is in what, it's part of the whole drug orgy thing, but also of any rich people party.
there is no expectation of ingesting drugs outside the alcohol if you are drinking a mojito at a bar with someone. there is very much an expectation of drugs in a drug-orgy and that is the difference.
All charges were dropped
Cosbyproof? Cosbyfobic? Cosbyrepellant? I'm sure there is a word for that.
I've seen them twice, so I can average out one person who hasn't seen them.
I had tickets and then COVID happened, then Brexit happened and they aren't coming to the UK anymore. :(
I feel ya. Lost my probably only chances to see Aerosmith and Rege Against The Machine because of covid.
Four times ova here
Absolutely! I'll never forget their show. It's wild.
At least before they transition away from fossil fuels
mounts tesla coils to arms
I couldn't find anything from Rammstein, but take this as an example and imagine the rest
How do they intend to do that? Their pyrotechnics are second to none.
Hands down the best live show I've ever been to.
How about we don't encourage a rapist instead?
Edit: Can't believe my comment is in the negative right now... Is the majority around here rape apologists or something?
Innocent until proven guilty? If I said you raped me, are you a rapist now?
The investigation was dropped because of lack of evidence.
Man, I've work as a roadie on their show, there was maybe 20 girls, bearly 18, hand picked by some security dude right in front of the stage, the whole group was moved to backstage as soon as the show ended, they're famous for their post show orgies, it's fucking gross, some were really young and he's 60... I loved Rammstein, but now it feels wrong. Maybe he hasn't been convicted due to lack of evidence (also remember he has money and isn't your regular joe), but defending a man fucking girls when he could be their grand pa is also fucking gross.
the age of the women really isn't the problem here. if a woman is 18+ she can fuck whoever she wants, even men thrice her age. even girls between 16 and 18 are legally allowed to have sex with much older men, as long as they aren't compensated for it.
the problem here is rather the lack of consent. many women report being sexually assaulted or even drugged and raped.
Maybe it's not a problem for you, but it is for me, as I said I find it really fucking gross to fuck 18yo when you're 60... but to each his own I guess. Lack of consent isn't gross it's fucking outrageous, and punishable, no controversy here, but age does play a part in that too, at 18 lots of girls won't be able to see they're about to be drugged and abused, they're easy preys.
What kind of evidence could the victims bring to court years later exactly? You think they come out to become famous or something?
The fact that similar accusations aren't taken seriously (especially when talking about famous people) is exactly what led to the metoo movement.
The court actively tried to contact the victims over several countries or anybody who could testify. Except for one witness no one showed up and the one witness only said she doesn't know what happened.
So maybe there is a very safe way to get women to forget everything that happens or he is not guilty.
We aren't rapist apologists. But the investigation was dropped due to a lack of evidence. What else can people do to proof their innocence to people like you?
Right, because it's easy to prove you've been raped by a rich guy years later đź‘Ť
People in here be acting like getting roofied enhances your memory, they don't remember shit because they were drugged
People also acting like a niche influencer doesn't know what happens backstage during these parties. Getting roofied in a bar, taken to the guy's house and fucked? yes, that is rape. knowingly going to a drug orgy and accepting the drugs does somewhat imply consent to be part of a drug orgy.
They could have been roofied yeah. Happens sadly at parties. Doesnt mean the band had anything to do with it.
Anyways, charges dropped means I consider them not guilty. Everything else would allow accusations alone to destroy lifes even when the accused is not guilty.
There's one thing that I miss about downloading music and that's knowing that in some cases it's good the artist isn't getting any money. Admittedly I'm happier knowing that most of the artists I listen to get paid now that I stream. I know there's a huge discussion about how artists don't get paid enough and I agree but that's not what I'm talking about.
Like if I downloaded their music, uploaded as little as I possibly could, then listen to it alone and don't share, talk about or popularize their work in any way, am I supporting an artist accused of rape? It's kind of the same argument as 'if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound' or 'death of the artist.' Now to be frank, there are bands/artists that I don't listen to on streaming services because I know they will benefit from me listening. Rammstien is one of them.
Apparently, Lemmy doesn't believe the man who writes misogynistic lyrics can be sexist. It's the same all over the internet. Quoting Reddit users:
a) Rammstein’s lyrics can be rather extreme, as they often include rape, incest, death, sex tourism, necrophilia, etc etc. But are they sexist? No I don’t think so.
b) A lot of their songs are out of someone’s perspective. Like Ausländer can be perceived as a sexist song written from a perspective a dude (Till lol) shagging his way around the world and seducing local populace with his foreign allure and hilariously low effort “knowledge of the local language”. [...] On the other hand what the band actually intended to do is criticize colonialism.
One does not need to believe the sexual allegations to see that, still, something's fishy, especially about the lead singer. The lyrics, the orgies, etc. For years, I have disliked songs and interviews because of this, but it all gets the "It's satire" or "It's symbolism" pass.
It's the equivalent of people saying something stupid, arguing about it and when proven wrong they go "I was just acting retarded, you're the one who's dumb for believing it!"
If I stream Feuer Frei um keinen Preis, is that supporting rape?
No, the majority here are who fed up with fake rape charges of #metoo...
Everyone needs to see Rammstein live at least once in their lives.
Just don’t get too close to Till if you are a woman.
Allegedly
Nope. That's pretty save to say. Just the leagal chareges are dropped. It is proven that the castings happend and sex happend. How much the women knew what they are casted for may differ from each instance and how much they felt presured.
Seems like two conflicting statements.
How? There were enough women how felt presured and for some it was clear what's going to happen so they needn't to be "convinced".
What do You mean? Women are less fireproof than men?
Well you should more be drug and rape proof
generally take all accusations with a grain of salt, I'm not saying that the lady is a liar, but often these things just turn into massive rumor mills, and as far as I know from people who have worked with the band in the past, the band themselves generally get wasted on anything they get their hands on, but that's not uncommon in the punk/metal scene.
But Those woman did not Profit, more like they got hate All over the Internet. So i dont think they made it up. And since all that came out i cant stand to hear rammstein sadly anymore.
Have you looked into the Rammstein-like bands? Eisbrecher and Oomph! immediately come to mind, but I think theres a few more with similar sounds.
what are you talking about? their job relies on and pays out based on public visibility.
And again, if you know they have drug orgies, you go to the drug orgy, you take the drugs at the drug orgy, and then are surprised that you were part of a drug orgy.
If you willingly take drugs Sure. But getting roofied which some woman claimed that is a different Story.
Thing is, these kinds of parties everything has drugs, and you get a quick run down of what is in what, it's part of the whole drug orgy thing, but also of any rich people party.
there is no expectation of ingesting drugs outside the alcohol if you are drinking a mojito at a bar with someone. there is very much an expectation of drugs in a drug-orgy and that is the difference.
All charges were dropped
Cosbyproof? Cosbyfobic? Cosbyrepellant? I'm sure there is a word for that.
I've seen them twice, so I can average out one person who hasn't seen them.
I had tickets and then COVID happened, then Brexit happened and they aren't coming to the UK anymore. :(
I feel ya. Lost my probably only chances to see Aerosmith and Rege Against The Machine because of covid.
Four times ova here
Absolutely! I'll never forget their show. It's wild.
At least before they transition away from fossil fuels
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I couldn't find anything from Rammstein, but take this as an example and imagine the rest
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How do they intend to do that? Their pyrotechnics are second to none.
Hands down the best live show I've ever been to.
How about we don't encourage a rapist instead?
Edit: Can't believe my comment is in the negative right now... Is the majority around here rape apologists or something?
Innocent until proven guilty? If I said you raped me, are you a rapist now?
The investigation was dropped because of lack of evidence.
Man, I've work as a roadie on their show, there was maybe 20 girls, bearly 18, hand picked by some security dude right in front of the stage, the whole group was moved to backstage as soon as the show ended, they're famous for their post show orgies, it's fucking gross, some were really young and he's 60... I loved Rammstein, but now it feels wrong. Maybe he hasn't been convicted due to lack of evidence (also remember he has money and isn't your regular joe), but defending a man fucking girls when he could be their grand pa is also fucking gross.
the age of the women really isn't the problem here. if a woman is 18+ she can fuck whoever she wants, even men thrice her age. even girls between 16 and 18 are legally allowed to have sex with much older men, as long as they aren't compensated for it.
the problem here is rather the lack of consent. many women report being sexually assaulted or even drugged and raped.
Maybe it's not a problem for you, but it is for me, as I said I find it really fucking gross to fuck 18yo when you're 60... but to each his own I guess. Lack of consent isn't gross it's fucking outrageous, and punishable, no controversy here, but age does play a part in that too, at 18 lots of girls won't be able to see they're about to be drugged and abused, they're easy preys.
What kind of evidence could the victims bring to court years later exactly? You think they come out to become famous or something?
The fact that similar accusations aren't taken seriously (especially when talking about famous people) is exactly what led to the metoo movement.
The court actively tried to contact the victims over several countries or anybody who could testify. Except for one witness no one showed up and the one witness only said she doesn't know what happened.
So maybe there is a very safe way to get women to forget everything that happens or he is not guilty.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma-Hydroxybutyric_acid
We aren't rapist apologists. But the investigation was dropped due to a lack of evidence. What else can people do to proof their innocence to people like you?
Right, because it's easy to prove you've been raped by a rich guy years later đź‘Ť
People in here be acting like getting roofied enhances your memory, they don't remember shit because they were drugged
People also acting like a niche influencer doesn't know what happens backstage during these parties. Getting roofied in a bar, taken to the guy's house and fucked? yes, that is rape. knowingly going to a drug orgy and accepting the drugs does somewhat imply consent to be part of a drug orgy.
They could have been roofied yeah. Happens sadly at parties. Doesnt mean the band had anything to do with it. Anyways, charges dropped means I consider them not guilty. Everything else would allow accusations alone to destroy lifes even when the accused is not guilty.
There's one thing that I miss about downloading music and that's knowing that in some cases it's good the artist isn't getting any money. Admittedly I'm happier knowing that most of the artists I listen to get paid now that I stream. I know there's a huge discussion about how artists don't get paid enough and I agree but that's not what I'm talking about.
Like if I downloaded their music, uploaded as little as I possibly could, then listen to it alone and don't share, talk about or popularize their work in any way, am I supporting an artist accused of rape? It's kind of the same argument as 'if a tree falls in the woods, does it make a sound' or 'death of the artist.' Now to be frank, there are bands/artists that I don't listen to on streaming services because I know they will benefit from me listening. Rammstien is one of them.
Apparently, Lemmy doesn't believe the man who writes misogynistic lyrics can be sexist. It's the same all over the internet. Quoting Reddit users:
One does not need to believe the sexual allegations to see that, still, something's fishy, especially about the lead singer. The lyrics, the orgies, etc. For years, I have disliked songs and interviews because of this, but it all gets the "It's satire" or "It's symbolism" pass.
It's the equivalent of people saying something stupid, arguing about it and when proven wrong they go "I was just acting retarded, you're the one who's dumb for believing it!"
If I stream Feuer Frei um keinen Preis, is that supporting rape?
No, the majority here are who fed up with fake rape charges of #metoo...