"If you can look at the situation and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time,"
This post on her part was fine, but the other one...not so much. She should have stuck with this one only, rather than whatever the frick murderous thing that other post was.
Keep in mind she was a Lebanese refugee that lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel.
I'm not condoning anything she said but she has a somewhat understandable view of the whole situation.
lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel
And what about the conflict between actual Lebanon and what became Hezbollah?
Dunno why this is getting downvoted, the only Lebanese folks who don't despise Hazbollah are Hezbollah, and the Iranian dispatched clerics.
So it justifies murdering children. Got it. We know where you stand!
Israel just murdered 200 children in 3 days, so far. Was that justified?
Oh, but they're Palestinian so they don't count. Otherwise people like you would have lost their minds decades ago.
When the Hamas murders children it's terrorism, it's an atrocity, it's inhuman (and I agree).
When the IDF murders children it's Tuesday.
It's on the news every day. And people like you couldn't care less.
Keep chewing on that nice Zionist propaganda. I choose humanity.
Why can't we condemn both?
Hamas committed atrocities and Israel has responded with atrocities. That doesn't make calling Hamas "freedom fighters" in this context any less deplorable.
I don't think she was refering to Hamas as freedom fighters. Everybody was just eager to put it in her mouth (eh).
Answering your question, yes, we can condemn them both. But in different ways.
Israel "created" Hamas. You can only push a people so far. The oppression and humiliation, generation after generation is bound to create extreme hate. And that's how shit like Hamas sprouts. Israel has been breeding that hate for decades.
But...Hamas actions are still their own. I can live in a world with Israel if Israel changes. But Hamas has to go. But something else will appear if Israel keeps pushing on the Palestinians. Hamas is a symptom.
The cycle of violence has to be broken. And the one that has the upper hand has to do it to be effective. The 2 state solution is dead. It's ironic that these 2 peoples can't live with each other but at the same time they need each other.
Palestine is too fractured to thrive without Israel. Israel, while it might not seem so, needs to make good with Palestine to consolidate its place in the region. Without that peace Israel is doomed on the long term. When the chips are down and the US is not there to help they will find themselves completely isolated surrounded by hostile countries. And that Israel cannot survive.
sapere aude, friend
Is there a quote for the other post? I heard it was just paraphrased, so we don't know what she actually said
Can someone please tell the freedom fighters in Palestine to flip their phones and film horizontal," she wrote on the platform on Saturday.
That's all. If you're very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you'd think that she was endorsing Hamas as "freedom fighters".
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you'll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I just want to make it clear that this statement in no way shape or form is [inciting] spread of violence," she said. "I specifically said freedom fighters because that's what the Palestinian citizens are... fighting for freedom every day.
I'm confused. Who else is fighting besides Hamas and the IDF?
There are other kinds of fighting than violence on a grand scale. Regular Palestinians are fighting the apartheid regime in ways big and small every day.
Thanks, that's pretty much what I figured you'd say. The down vote was a nice touch.
Yeah, I have this odd quirk of downvoting sealions when they ask bad faith questions with obvious answers that they refuse to accept. I'm kooky like that!
How do you distinguish between a good faith question and “sealioning”?
A good faith question is when you're honestly seeking clarification either because you don't know something or don't know what the other person means.
Sealioning is when you're "just asking questions" in a manipulative manner with no intention of taking the answers seriously under consideration or making a valid point of your own.
It's often used in place of an actual argument when the sea lion knows that their point isn't strong enough to withstand scrutiny.
Here's the origin of the term afaik:
defining is when you decide or declare that a certain string of words is equivalent to a word.
distinguishing is when you decide or declare which of two categories a particular thing is in
I know the definition of these words. I’m asking you distinguish, as you read comments on the internet, which are which kind?
Subtle, I like it
Can you please tell me how else can you interpret that statement other than her asking for better footage of the atrocities committed by the Hamas?
Hamas don't tend to film their own atrocities and they're not the only ones committing atrocities.
Israel is also committing atrocities and the oppressed citizens of Palestine are filming a lot of it. THAT'S the footage she asked to be recorded in landscape rather than portrait.
Perhaps still not in the best taste for a public platform, but it's a damn sight better than endorsing terrorism like this article and others are incorrectly claiming.
Why don't "freedom fighters" don't "fight" the atrocities rather than film them?
Keep in mind this was said in the context of the Hamas attack.
Seems like you people are just whitewashing her.
You're seriously asking why regular unarmed people are documenting human rights abuses rather than physically attack heavily armed soldiers who are in the middle of demonstrating how little Palestinian lives matter to them? Is that what you're actually asking?
Also, who says it was said in the context of the latest Hamas atrocity? Judging by the actual words and sentences, it would seem much more likely to be in response to bad video of the retaliatory atrocities of the Israeli oppressors.
Seems like you're very eager to tar and feather her for speaking up against your favorite ethnostate.
Why don't "freedom fighters" don't "fight" the atrocities rather than film them?
those regular civilians should hit the missiles with baseball bats, that'll show 'em. Much more effective than filming the atrocities being inflicted upon them and spreading the word online!
She said "freedom fighters", not "civilians".
In the largest apartheid concentration camp on earth, the civilian prisoners who document and expose their oppressors to the world are fighting for their freedom
Holly shit the mental gymnastics here are astounding. You're just casually assuming that she is some kind of top geopolitical expert.
Nope. I'm merely refraining from assuming without evidence that she's endorsing terrorism.
You don't have to be "some kind of top geopolitical expert" to know that Hamas don't tend to film their atrocities themselves and that oppressed Palestinians very often film the atrocities of the Israeli occupation forces.
If there's any mental gymnastics here, it's in confusing common knowledge for elite geopolitical expertise.
I think you don't realise how little knowledge "common knowledge" actually is. Peolple on lemmee arent you're average joe when it comes to geopolitical knowledge. I am not dismissing her knowledge eitherx but i believe you are overestimating it.
Yeah because a Lebanese-American public figure who sympathises with the plight of Palestine has NEVER had to answer bad faith arguments equating Hamas with all Palestinians and would thus have NO need for more knowledge about the methods of them than your average inattentive and incurious casual ingester of pro-regime billionaire-owned American news! 🙄
Reminds me of how planet of the apes was suddenly about antisemitism...
there's no way a thinking person would come to the conclusion you just did
There's no way that a rationally thinking person WOULDN'T. How's the weather in opposite world today?
its ok, im used to seeing absolutely stupid takes since the weekend so yours isnt exactly a surprise
Yeah I'M the stupid one, not the arrogant shit for brains whose sole contribution is to do a less intelligent version of Nelson Muntz at people who actually base their arguments on real world context coupled with reading the actual words rather than imagining completely different ones 🙄
What does being Jewish have to do with Israel? Are you conflating the two? Blaming Jews for what Israel has been doing for decades is pretty anti-semetic.
No it's just that Jews have gotten prickly about anyone criticizing Israel because of how much trouble anti-zionism has had banishing anti-semitism from trying to infiltrate.
It's only changed because the Neonazis have absorbed enough evangelicals to decide they like the jews having Israel now because battle of Armageddon and "I know revelations says it is impossible to know when the rapture will happen but I'm gonna try and make it happen anyways like an absolute dumbass!"
That's the problem with a lot of the pro Palestine movement, they just can't help themselves and can't just stop at demanding rights, but wanting the rights of others removed as well. Western nations just aren't going up empathize with you if you're murdering and parading women's corpses around, or if you're threatening to kill hostages, many of which are children. As much as you may not like it, there's a difference optically between dropping a bomb and putting a gun to a child's head and pulling the trigger cause you didn't get your way.
All i get from this post is "genocides fine, its the other stuff we dont like"
Quite easy to critique a movement you know nothing about I guess.
Poor take
they just can’t help themselves ... wanting the rights of others removed
This seems so familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it...
The irony is so thick, Israel could build a wall around the West Bank with it.
"If you can look at the situation and not be on the side of Palestinians, then you are on the wrong side of apartheid and history will show that in time,"
This post on her part was fine, but the other one...not so much. She should have stuck with this one only, rather than whatever the frick murderous thing that other post was.
Keep in mind she was a Lebanese refugee that lived through the conflict between Hezbollah and Israel. I'm not condoning anything she said but she has a somewhat understandable view of the whole situation.
And what about the conflict between actual Lebanon and what became Hezbollah?
Dunno why this is getting downvoted, the only Lebanese folks who don't despise Hazbollah are Hezbollah, and the Iranian dispatched clerics.
So it justifies murdering children. Got it. We know where you stand!
Israel just murdered 200 children in 3 days, so far. Was that justified?
Oh, but they're Palestinian so they don't count. Otherwise people like you would have lost their minds decades ago.
When the Hamas murders children it's terrorism, it's an atrocity, it's inhuman (and I agree).
When the IDF murders children it's Tuesday.
It's on the news every day. And people like you couldn't care less.
Keep chewing on that nice Zionist propaganda. I choose humanity.
Why can't we condemn both?
Hamas committed atrocities and Israel has responded with atrocities. That doesn't make calling Hamas "freedom fighters" in this context any less deplorable.
I don't think she was refering to Hamas as freedom fighters. Everybody was just eager to put it in her mouth (eh).
Answering your question, yes, we can condemn them both. But in different ways.
Israel "created" Hamas. You can only push a people so far. The oppression and humiliation, generation after generation is bound to create extreme hate. And that's how shit like Hamas sprouts. Israel has been breeding that hate for decades.
But...Hamas actions are still their own. I can live in a world with Israel if Israel changes. But Hamas has to go. But something else will appear if Israel keeps pushing on the Palestinians. Hamas is a symptom.
The cycle of violence has to be broken. And the one that has the upper hand has to do it to be effective. The 2 state solution is dead. It's ironic that these 2 peoples can't live with each other but at the same time they need each other.
Palestine is too fractured to thrive without Israel. Israel, while it might not seem so, needs to make good with Palestine to consolidate its place in the region. Without that peace Israel is doomed on the long term. When the chips are down and the US is not there to help they will find themselves completely isolated surrounded by hostile countries. And that Israel cannot survive.
sapere aude, friend
Is there a quote for the other post? I heard it was just paraphrased, so we don't know what she actually said
That's all. If you're very inattentive or deliberately misinterpreting her words, you'd think that she was endorsing Hamas as "freedom fighters".
But if you DO pay attention and know anything, you'll notice that she never mentions Hamas and know that Hamas aren't usually the ones filming any of their atrocities. Add her clarification from a few days later and it's clear that she did NOT endorse Hamas and is the victim of character assassination because she had the temerity to speak up against the apartheid regime:
I'm confused. Who else is fighting besides Hamas and the IDF?
There are other kinds of fighting than violence on a grand scale. Regular Palestinians are fighting the apartheid regime in ways big and small every day.
Thanks, that's pretty much what I figured you'd say. The down vote was a nice touch.
Yeah, I have this odd quirk of downvoting sealions when they ask bad faith questions with obvious answers that they refuse to accept. I'm kooky like that!
How do you distinguish between a good faith question and “sealioning”?
A good faith question is when you're honestly seeking clarification either because you don't know something or don't know what the other person means.
Sealioning is when you're "just asking questions" in a manipulative manner with no intention of taking the answers seriously under consideration or making a valid point of your own.
It's often used in place of an actual argument when the sea lion knows that their point isn't strong enough to withstand scrutiny.
Here's the origin of the term afaik:
defining is when you decide or declare that a certain string of words is equivalent to a word.
distinguishing is when you decide or declare which of two categories a particular thing is in
I know the definition of these words. I’m asking you distinguish, as you read comments on the internet, which are which kind?
Subtle, I like it
Can you please tell me how else can you interpret that statement other than her asking for better footage of the atrocities committed by the Hamas?
Hamas don't tend to film their own atrocities and they're not the only ones committing atrocities.
Israel is also committing atrocities and the oppressed citizens of Palestine are filming a lot of it. THAT'S the footage she asked to be recorded in landscape rather than portrait.
Perhaps still not in the best taste for a public platform, but it's a damn sight better than endorsing terrorism like this article and others are incorrectly claiming.
Why don't "freedom fighters" don't "fight" the atrocities rather than film them?
Keep in mind this was said in the context of the Hamas attack.
Seems like you people are just whitewashing her.
You're seriously asking why regular unarmed people are documenting human rights abuses rather than physically attack heavily armed soldiers who are in the middle of demonstrating how little Palestinian lives matter to them? Is that what you're actually asking?
Also, who says it was said in the context of the latest Hamas atrocity? Judging by the actual words and sentences, it would seem much more likely to be in response to bad video of the retaliatory atrocities of the Israeli oppressors.
Seems like you're very eager to tar and feather her for speaking up against your favorite ethnostate.
those regular civilians should hit the missiles with baseball bats, that'll show 'em. Much more effective than filming the atrocities being inflicted upon them and spreading the word online!
She said "freedom fighters", not "civilians".
In the largest apartheid concentration camp on earth, the civilian prisoners who document and expose their oppressors to the world are fighting for their freedom
Holly shit the mental gymnastics here are astounding. You're just casually assuming that she is some kind of top geopolitical expert.
Nope. I'm merely refraining from assuming without evidence that she's endorsing terrorism.
You don't have to be "some kind of top geopolitical expert" to know that Hamas don't tend to film their atrocities themselves and that oppressed Palestinians very often film the atrocities of the Israeli occupation forces.
If there's any mental gymnastics here, it's in confusing common knowledge for elite geopolitical expertise.
I think you don't realise how little knowledge "common knowledge" actually is. Peolple on lemmee arent you're average joe when it comes to geopolitical knowledge. I am not dismissing her knowledge eitherx but i believe you are overestimating it.
Yeah because a Lebanese-American public figure who sympathises with the plight of Palestine has NEVER had to answer bad faith arguments equating Hamas with all Palestinians and would thus have NO need for more knowledge about the methods of them than your average inattentive and incurious casual ingester of pro-regime billionaire-owned American news! 🙄
Reminds me of how planet of the apes was suddenly about antisemitism...
there's no way a thinking person would come to the conclusion you just did
There's no way that a rationally thinking person WOULDN'T. How's the weather in opposite world today?
its ok, im used to seeing absolutely stupid takes since the weekend so yours isnt exactly a surprise
Yeah I'M the stupid one, not the arrogant shit for brains whose sole contribution is to do a less intelligent version of Nelson Muntz at people who actually base their arguments on real world context coupled with reading the actual words rather than imagining completely different ones 🙄
Found a picture of you btw.
that is by far, the lamest insult I have ever received. You should be proud!
if anyone wants to know, its a picture of a camera. Old mate called me a camera.
🥱
just stick to fapping, you really wanked up your responses, need more practice
It's like she didn't realize her CEO was Jewish
Not all jews are zionists and implying so is antisemitic. It's the same old "dual-loyalty" smear levied against jews for hundreds of years.
Guess this one was though, eh?
I did not know thank you for letting me know
What does being Jewish have to do with Israel? Are you conflating the two? Blaming Jews for what Israel has been doing for decades is pretty anti-semetic.
No it's just that Jews have gotten prickly about anyone criticizing Israel because of how much trouble anti-zionism has had banishing anti-semitism from trying to infiltrate.
It's only changed because the Neonazis have absorbed enough evangelicals to decide they like the jews having Israel now because battle of Armageddon and "I know revelations says it is impossible to know when the rapture will happen but I'm gonna try and make it happen anyways like an absolute dumbass!"
Stop putting words in my mouth
That's the problem with a lot of the pro Palestine movement, they just can't help themselves and can't just stop at demanding rights, but wanting the rights of others removed as well. Western nations just aren't going up empathize with you if you're murdering and parading women's corpses around, or if you're threatening to kill hostages, many of which are children. As much as you may not like it, there's a difference optically between dropping a bomb and putting a gun to a child's head and pulling the trigger cause you didn't get your way.
All i get from this post is "genocides fine, its the other stuff we dont like"
Quite easy to critique a movement you know nothing about I guess.
Poor take
This seems so familiar but I can't quite put my finger on it...
The irony is so thick, Israel could build a wall around the West Bank with it.